<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "SM vanilla 1500 need some input"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net SM vanilla 1500 need some input SM's on the side. This is my first attempt at a 1500 SM list, I know there are some problems with it but I have only played SM's up to 1000 points so far. I will be purchasing the vehicles, and my only HQ that I currently own is the captain. I have some funds to play with but trying to base it on the models that come with 2 Aobr sets as much as possible. I don't need a perfect list, but something that is at least survivable and semi-competitive. Thanks for any input or help!

Captain Bike/CombiMelta 145

Tac Squad ML/Flamer/PF 280
razorback TL/las/Storm Bolter

Tac Squad ML/Flamer/PF 280
razorback TL/las/Storm Bolter

5TH/SS Termies 200
Landraider Multi Melta 260

Dreadnought 105
Dreadnought 105

Bike Squad combi Melta/2meltaguns 120
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429480/3906093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429480/3906093.page GMT SM vanilla 1500 need some input cc weapons and bikes at higher costs. Also bike troops can be a good idea.

Your land raider is a little pricey to field at this cost.
You do not need a cc threat so the assault termies are a little excessive.

In general I would be happy enough with the list. Everything works reasonable well together.

Improvements would be things like 2TLautocannon dreads may be better as it takes time to get into range with AoBR dreads.
Fist in a 5 man squad isn't really worth the points, they should be in the car mostly and then may not survive long in cc in any case.
In general plasma guns are better with bikes to keep them out of cc. Then an attack bike with MM is an excellent addition. Maybe increasing so they can become troops would be good. Landspeeders are probably better for delivering melta.
You should use a command squad if you want them to run with the captain.

Small points:
The stormbolters on the razorbacks are excessive, in any case if you shoot a lascannon at something you probably will not care for a few bolter shots.
TL las is a good enough turret though it really depends on the list.
I feel it takes a few bits of mech to distract from the raider or at least to benefit from the raider being the sink of all the shots. This is more for higher points.
You are nearly making a Vulkan list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429480/3906915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429480/3906915.page GMT SM vanilla 1500 need some input
Grots R OP wrote:Captain Bike/CombiMelta
Proxy him as a libby. A little light blue paint around his eyes and there ya go! Psyker-biker-boy!

Grots R OP wrote:Tac Squad ML/Flamer/PF 280
razorback TL/las/Storm Bolter

Tac Squad ML/Flamer/PF 280
razorback TL/las/Storm Bolter
Storm Bolter upgrades? Given the LC's range, that's a bad buy. EA if anything, but they're better off naked. Do you intend to Combat Squad upon deployment and have one set catch a ride or just bunker down?

Grots R OP wrote:Landraider Multi Melta
It's job is to deliver termies, so give it EA to ensure that.

Grots R OP wrote:Dreadnought 105
Dreadnought
EA for these two as well. If only shaken, they can still Move and assault, with their great, killy DCCW and tarpitting AV12.

For two AoBR boxes, it's an okay list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429480/3907085.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429480/3907085.page GMT Re:SM vanilla 1500 need some input
I can see the point on storm bolter and fists, I guess I was thinking the fists might be decent against a vehicle and the storm bolter would at least allow something to happen if las was destroyed.


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I do intend to combat squad, missle launchers in the rear, flamer+sgt in the raz.

I have also considered drop pods and teleporting the termies in if landraider is too pricey at this point.

Will drop SB and get EA if I keep the LR.

Have to look at biker+libby setup. Already own the captain, but don't own the bike model so probably going to have to buy something either way.

Advantages to LS over bikes I am guessing is a similar comparison to ork koptas vs buggies which essentially is wounds+toughness vs squadrons right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429480/3907097.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429480/3907097.page GMT Re:SM vanilla 1500 need some input MC. Let them run around shooting things keeping fire off your other guys and get the captain into a land raider and let him lead the charge with the termies. If you really wanted to give him a thunder hammer and a storm shield and art armor and let him make believe that he is a termie. Personally i like giving Captains a power weapon so you can weaken a squad before you have to take saves for the termies.

What are on the dreads? just a multi melta and a close combat arm? Give them extra armor so you can keep moving up. And give them a heavy flamer. Like every one else is saying drop the storm bolter on the razor back. The razor back is there for just another las cannon, after that gets blown off or late in the game becomes a transport again.

Maybe this will help you a little.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429480/3907354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429480/3907354.page GMT