Gorechild wrote:I think the idea behind Ynnead is that, when he/she/it awakens it will kill Slaanesh therefore making it safe for the Eldars souls to go into the warp and be reborn. Part of the reason that their numbers are dwindeling is that (without a soulstone collecting the soul, or the laughing god snatching it up first) their soul is being instantly eaten by Chaos as it enters the warp.

Tadashi wrote:
I'm sure that while Eldar can't reincarnate (apparently, fully-realized Human psykers like the ancestral shamans that preceded the Emperor could do it too), they can still generate new souls whenever a new Eldar child is made. As for declining population, it's probably because most Eldar see sexual relationships as distasteful and decadent to the point that they can't really keep up with the death rate, both natural and otherwise.

Tadashi wrote:Alaitocii are irritating. They're the Eldar equivalent of the Black Templars, if the Ulthwe are the Eldar equivalent of the Thousand Sons/Blood Ravens. They're just too puritan.

Tadashi wrote:For the Humans, the Emperor's rebirth is the future of their race. But what of the Eldar? Even when Ynnead is created, it will take the death of every living Craftworld Eldar to achieve, so what is the future of the Eldar race? Will their race have a future, considering that only the Harlequins and the Dark Eldar will be left? Will their gods return like the loyal Primarchs?

Iracundus wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Alaitocii are irritating. They're the Eldar equivalent of the Black Templars, if the Ulthwe are the Eldar equivalent of the Thousand Sons/Blood Ravens. They're just too puritan.

Considering the Eldar empire fell because of a lack of self control, the Alaitoc position is understandable. Certainly from their perspective and even that of other Craftworlds, Saim-hann goes too far towards repeating the old mistakes, with just an apparent veneer of Eldar Paths covering up the old Eldar ways.

Each of the Craftworlds is their own society and though they may share common culture and myths, they are still separate nation-states. Like all nations, they can view their own way of doing things as the "right" way.

For all their strictness, Alaitoc still accepts back Outcasts that want to return. "What happens off the Craftworld stays off the Craftworld".

KingDeath wrote:
The carriongod's rebirth ( which is mostly believed by the Thorian faction ) and the return of the loyal primarchs ( who could just as well be dead ) is far from certain, just like the Eldar believe that they somehow create Ynnead ( after all, their souls are in the infinity circuits of their craftworlds which aren't linked to each other, how exactly would that create a warpgod? ).

KingDeath wrote:

Tadashi wrote:For the Humans, the Emperor's rebirth is the future of their race. But what of the Eldar? Even when Ynnead is created, it will take the death of every living Craftworld Eldar to achieve, so what is the future of the Eldar race? Will their race have a future, considering that only the Harlequins and the Dark Eldar will be left? Will their gods return like the loyal Primarchs?

The carriongod's rebirth ( which is mostly believed by the Thorian faction ) and the return of the loyal primarchs ( who could just as well be dead ) is far from certain, just like the Eldar believe that they somehow create Ynnead ( after all, their souls are in the infinity circuits of their craftworlds which aren't linked to each other, how exactly would that create a warpgod? ).
The future of the Eldar species as a whole is uncertain. Biel-Tan aims to recreate the old Eldar Empire, other Craftworlds have different plans, one even plans to leave the Galaxy.

Tadashi wrote:

KingDeath wrote:

Tadashi wrote:For the Humans, the Emperor's rebirth is the future of their race. But what of the Eldar? Even when Ynnead is created, it will take the death of every living Craftworld Eldar to achieve, so what is the future of the Eldar race? Will their race have a future, considering that only the Harlequins and the Dark Eldar will be left? Will their gods return like the loyal Primarchs?

The carriongod's rebirth ( which is mostly believed by the Thorian faction ) and the return of the loyal primarchs ( who could just as well be dead ) is far from certain, just like the Eldar believe that they somehow create Ynnead ( after all, their souls are in the infinity circuits of their craftworlds which aren't linked to each other, how exactly would that create a warpgod? ).
The future of the Eldar species as a whole is uncertain. Biel-Tan aims to recreate the old Eldar Empire, other Craftworlds have different plans, one even plans to leave the Galaxy.

They probably intend to link the Circuits as one once the souls reach "critical mass".

Iracundus wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

KingDeath wrote:

Tadashi wrote:For the Humans, the Emperor's rebirth is the future of their race. But what of the Eldar? Even when Ynnead is created, it will take the death of every living Craftworld Eldar to achieve, so what is the future of the Eldar race? Will their race have a future, considering that only the Harlequins and the Dark Eldar will be left? Will their gods return like the loyal Primarchs?

The carriongod's rebirth ( which is mostly believed by the Thorian faction ) and the return of the loyal primarchs ( who could just as well be dead ) is far from certain, just like the Eldar believe that they somehow create Ynnead ( after all, their souls are in the infinity circuits of their craftworlds which aren't linked to each other, how exactly would that create a warpgod? ).
The future of the Eldar species as a whole is uncertain. Biel-Tan aims to recreate the old Eldar Empire, other Craftworlds have different plans, one even plans to leave the Galaxy.

They probably intend to link the Circuits as one once the souls reach "critical mass".

As I mentioned in my last post, they already are linked. Read Eldrad's little scene in the 3rd edition Craftworld Eldar Codex (not the main 3rd ed. Eldar Codex). He is able to listen in to the hum of activity on both his own Craftworld, and more distantly that of other Craftworlds, and
when experienced as a gestalt whole, he senses a slow pulse, like that of a heartbeat, for the still unawakened Ynnead.

Gorechild wrote:I think the idea behind Ynnead is that, when he/she/it awakens it will kill Slaanesh therefore making it safe for the Eldars souls to go into the warp and be reborn.

Agent_Tremolo wrote:Also, I don't recall having read about the Craftworlds fighting to restore their empire (though I might be wrong, it's been long since I last gave the Eldar 'dex a good read).

Tadashi wrote: As for declining population, it's probably because most Eldar see sexual relationships as distasteful and decadent to the point that they can't really keep up with the death rate, both natural and otherwise.

Tadashi wrote:Don't see how that's gonna happen unless the Emperor is reborn, since He's the only one with the authority and vision to offer hybrids asylum in exchange for technology and information. But it begs another question, if Ynnead drains the life and souls of the Craftworld Eldar to come into existence, can he/she/it even defeat the Dark Prince?

Vice_Grip wrote:As I recal from what little text I have read, the Eldar souls in the Infinity Circuits seem to be lobotomized. So I don't think they would realy be worth torturing, kind of like eating celary, you can, but the work you put in is still less than what you get out of it.

So what if they are using the Infinity Circuit for 2 things:
1) Protect their souls from Slaanesh
and
2) Build up to a critical mass with which to awaken Ynnead

CuddlySquig wrote:The future of the eldar has always been a circus of sad faces according to official canon. So the future of the eldar is atop a chaos champion's trophy rack.

darkcloud92 wrote:Geez all your guys threads are completely anti xenos and just GO IMPERIUM! Why not just have one thread where you bash all the other races instead of flooding us with a new one each week? But as far as the Eldar's future is concerned they are just trying to survive and hopping for various different things depending on which craftworld they are. Like a previous poster said they may be hopping to return the Eldar Empire to its former glory or to leave to another galaxy. But they are similar to the Imperium's background, most notably space marines. Some are waiting for the return of their primarch, others the Emperor, etc etc. They have just as much hope as any other race

Iracundus wrote:

Gorechild wrote:I think the idea behind Ynnead is that, when he/she/it awakens it will kill Slaanesh therefore making it safe for the Eldars souls to go into the warp and be reborn. Part of the reason that their numbers are dwindeling is that (without a soulstone collecting the soul, or the laughing god snatching it up first) their soul is being instantly eaten by Chaos as it enters the warp.

That's not why their numbers are dwindling. Even in the modern 40K era we see Eldar have children. All of the main characters in Path of the Warrior and Path of the Seer remember their childhood. Furthermore, in the 3rd edition Eldar Codex, Kysaduras complains about how young Eldar have not learned the lesson of Slaanesh and mock the tales of Slaanesh that once frightened them as chidlren. This again indicates Eldar are being born after the birth of Slaanesh. Thus there are new Eldar souls still being produced if there are still Eldar being born and since soulstones just go into the Infinity Circuit to be stored. The supply of souls cannot be finite for there to be still normal souled Eldar children.

Psienesis wrote:
They're a cautionary lesson to the Imperium, relics of an age long past, of an age that is dead and gone and will never be again. There may come a time, at some point, where a few Maiden Worlds are given to the Eldar as a sort of reservation, by the Imperium, but this only prolongs the inevitable... and, also, gives Slaanesh a target to focus Hir servants' attention in order to get at these tasty, pointy-eared bon bons.

The Eldar do, indeed, have hope... they've apparently failed to learn the lesson that hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

Tadashi wrote:Which is bad. Craftworld Eldar are hard enough to deal with already. How much harder if all the Craftworlders are dead, and we have to deal with the Dark Eldar ourselves? We don't have the resources we used to have...come to think of it, only a full Expeditionary Fleet from the Great Crusade has a chance to destroy Commoragh.

Gorechild wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Which is bad. Craftworld Eldar are hard enough to deal with already. How much harder if all the Craftworlders are dead, and we have to deal with the Dark Eldar ourselves? We don't have the resources we used to have...come to think of it, only a full Expeditionary Fleet from the Great Crusade has a chance to destroy Commoragh.

No human force would be able to destroy Commoragh, even if they have all the guns and soldiers in the Imperium it wouldn't change the fact that they can't destroy something that they cant get to. The only reason that the Salamanders were able to get in in the story in the DE codex was because Vect intentionally left the front door open to weaken his opposition. As long as Vect is alive, nothing will ever be able to get in or out of Commoragh without him allowing it.

As long as there is something out in the galaxy that feels pain, the Dark Eldar will leech off of them. Their population is growing and has been steadily for a long time, as long as some sort of prey is out there, I think the DE are pretty safe. The Craftworlders and Exodites are a whole different story though, IMO Ynnead is their last chance of having any sort of long term future.

Tadashi wrote:
Which is bad. Craftworld Eldar are hard enough to deal with already. How much harder if all the Craftworlders are dead, and we have to deal with the Dark Eldar ourselves? We don't have the resources we used to have...come to think of it, only a full Expeditionary Fleet from the Great Crusade has a chance to destroy Commoragh.

Exergy wrote:

Tadashi wrote:
Which is bad. Craftworld Eldar are hard enough to deal with already. How much harder if all the Craftworlders are dead, and we have to deal with the Dark Eldar ourselves? We don't have the resources we used to have...come to think of it, only a full Expeditionary Fleet from the Great Crusade has a chance to destroy Commoragh.

even then it really depends on how they attack. Marching straight into a 4th dimensional fortress of a highly advanced enemy has many stumbling points.

Gorechild wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Which is bad. Craftworld Eldar are hard enough to deal with already. How much harder if all the Craftworlders are dead, and we have to deal with the Dark Eldar ourselves? We don't have the resources we used to have...come to think of it, only a full Expeditionary Fleet from the Great Crusade has a chance to destroy Commoragh.

No human force would be able to destroy Commoragh, even if they have all the guns and soldiers in the Imperium it wouldn't change the fact that they can't destroy something that they cant get to. The only reason that the Salamanders were able to get in in the story in the DE codex was because Vect intentionally left the front door open to weaken his opposition. As long as Vect is alive, nothing will ever be able to get in or out of Commoragh without him allowing it.

As long as there is something out in the galaxy that feels pain, the Dark Eldar will leech off of them. Their population is growing and has been steadily for a long time, as long as some sort of prey is out there, I think the DE are pretty safe. The Craftworlders and Exodites are a whole different story though, IMO Ynnead is their last chance of having any sort of long term future.

Durza wrote:No, when an Eldar strays off the path and gives in to their emotion, Slaanesh gets them. Or if they do something silly like Eldrad.

Juniperius wrote:

Durza wrote:No, when an Eldar strays off the path and gives in to their emotion, Slaanesh gets them. Or if they do something silly like Eldrad.

Eldrad did not do something silly and his soul is still in that fortress, Ulthwe is in fact already brewing up a 500+ year master plan to get him out already, without him the physical universe was toast do not take him lightly.
eeyup,some might see him as silly I see pure heroics.