WhiteWolf01 wrote:Hmm, well you probably don't want to field a vendetta as that doesn't really fit the DKoK (as far as I know). But that is probably the best option and brings far more twin-linked firepower to the table than the Annihilator. Honestly, if you need the range and want to be able to pop light transports I would go Manticore. You get the nice d3 Str 10 large blasts coming down and it is barrage so you don't necessarily need it out in the open. Just hide it in some buildings and go at it. Granted you will scatter most of the time, but I think it will serve you better than the Annihilator at least.

MrMoustaffa wrote:

if you're wanting twin linked Lascannons, maybe you should get some HWT's and use your CCS to give them "Bring it down". Odds are whatever you're shooting at is a MC or a vehicle anyways, so the only time you can't twin link them would be trying to snipe heavy infantry. But you'll still get more shots for the points than you would for a Leman Russ. That said, you'll have to keep them in cover, and have a CCS babysit them for orders, so I'm not sure how effective this would be with what you're running. At least you can take a Heavy weapon platoon and put a commissar in with them, so that'd give you a ton of lascannon shots and good enough LD to pass orders reliably. It'd still be a Heavy slot, but if you're taking it instead of the Russ it may not matter.

EDIT: Crap nevermind, if you're running tons of infantry the last thing you want is MORE infantry... shame you can't take hydra's, those things look like they'd be perfect for what you need.

logan007 wrote:

MrMoustaffa wrote:

if you're wanting twin linked Lascannons, maybe you should get some HWT's and use your CCS to give them "Bring it down". Odds are whatever you're shooting at is a MC or a vehicle anyways, so the only time you can't twin link them would be trying to snipe heavy infantry. But you'll still get more shots for the points than you would for a Leman Russ. That said, you'll have to keep them in cover, and have a CCS babysit them for orders, so I'm not sure how effective this would be with what you're running. At least you can take a Heavy weapon platoon and put a commissar in with them, so that'd give you a ton of lascannon shots and good enough LD to pass orders reliably. It'd still be a Heavy slot, but if you're taking it instead of the Russ it may not matter.

EDIT: Crap nevermind, if you're running tons of infantry the last thing you want is MORE infantry... shame you can't take hydra's, those things look like they'd be perfect for what you need.

Yeah, I have tried using heavy weapons in my foot list and that's exactly the problem I'm facing -- right now, I have 2 Heavy weapon teams (one with autocannons, the other with lascannons -- each blobbed with an infantry squad) to hold objectives, and I'm trying to come up with ways to get some more anti-tank/MC guns into play.

Also, I've noticed that in foot lists, I don't get to fire my special weapons nearly as often as I'd like (they often get assaulted before they get within range to fire their meltagun/flamer) and I've been toying with the idea of saving points and not bringing special weapons at all in my infantry squads -- what do you think?

MrMoustaffa wrote:
One question I have is is this a pure FW DKoK army? Where you're using their little codex thing and preventing you from taking certain units such as sentinels/vendettas/etc. It seems like this is the case, but I'd just like to know to be sure.

If this was a normal IG army, you'd have tons of options. For example, outflanking units (including platoons) with Al'rahem or CREEEEEEEEED. You could use vendettas to do tank hunting, or even deep strike storm troopers. I've also heard good results of outflanking autocannon scout sentinels. However, you don't have any of these, so here's what I noticed when I read through your special army codex thing.

What you'll probably want is something that puts out a lot of punch with minimal movement/dice rolling, especially if you're running a foot heavy list like me. Maybe throw in some leman russ executioners (the plasma ones) with plasma cannon sponsons? Two in a squad should be able to easily wreck enemy light armor, and with plasma sponsons, 2 could put out up to 10 plasma blasts per turn if they don't move. Add in the fact that these tanks could handle almost any threat thrown at you, be it infantry, armor, whatever, and they could help out a ton. However, they're expensive as all get out. You could also probably try some of the other Russ variants, such as the normal one, the exterminator ( i believe thats its name, the one with autocannons) or even the vanquisher if you're really desperate. By the way, what's the conqueror do? I couldn't find out what it's loaded up with, so I was unable to check it out.

Your other 2 options appear to be artillery, and more artillery. Hell, every other thing I see in your army list either has the word "artillery", "Siege", or "Mortar", so maybe you should try just spamming artillery and indiscriminately annihilating your enemy that way? You can take 3 Earthshaker cannons for 75pts apeice, or medusa cannons for 100 apeice. You could easily spam three into a heavy slot and just bombard a section of the board every turn. It'd deffinitely make the enemy think twice about bunching up into a parking lot. Thing is if you go this route, you need to go all out. Max out all artillery in your heavy slot, max it in the elite slots, even max out your troops with mortars and the like. Make it to where nowhere is safe, where he can run all he wants, but he can never hide. Then you can run your blobs across the board and mop up whatever managed to survive the initial bombardment, as he'll probably be scrambling to kill all the big guns. However, you could easily get screwed over by deepstrikers and or outflanking, but thats up to you.

Also, with your Heavy weapons, have you tried running them in seperate squads as well, so they can fire independently of your blobs? You can even take a whole platoon of them in a heavy slot according to the pdf, which would give you a ton of extra firepower as well. Then you could just park a couple of CCS in your back line and use Bring it down and Fire on my target to your heart's content. Then you have heavy weapons that can twin link, or force cover saves to be rerolled at will, which could be very effective.