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Sorc.: Mark of Slaanesh (MoS) Lash (125)

Dread: Plasma Cannon (PC) Missle Launcher (ML) (105)
Dread: PC ML (105)
Dread: PC ML (105)

CSM x10: 2 Meltas Icon of Chaos Glory (IoCG) Champ w/ Fist (CwF), Rhino Dozer Blades (DB) (260)
CSM x9: 1 Melta IoCG CwF, Rhino DB (260)
CSM x8: 1 Melta IoCG CwF, Rhino DB (260)

Raptors x5: 2 Meltaguns (120)

Defiler: 2 extra dreadnought close-combat weapons (eDCCWx2) (150)
Defiler: eDCCWx2 (150)
Defiler: eDCCWx2 (150)

= 2000 on the dot

Sorry for abbreviations

This list is the chaos(y) take on the Kan-Wall. With the Noise Marine's assault weapons and versatility they make great mobile firepower while being excellent up-close because of the DS and I5. Some aspects of this list that need to be noted:

-This list lacks a lot of mobile melta, but it makes up for it with high target saturation and mobile cover (a lot of DCCW's don't hurt of course)
-I plan on NOT always Kan-Walling forward (which is a major drawback IMO of the Ork's version), meaning against armies I can out shoot, I will out shoot them, and against armies that I cannot, I can still produce heavy dakka on the move
-The tricky lists are the ones that I can out shoot, but can tie me up in CC and take apart my army while my backbone (the Noise Marines) are delayed... IE Necrons, Eldar, Orks, Deep-Strike heavy Space Marines and the like.
-The above point is, that while I have not tested this list, I believe its weakness is being zerged
-Because Games-Workshop errata states that Chaos Dreadnoughts only Fire Frenzy on units in their 45 degree weapon arc, this list just might work!

But, why a sorc. over a Daemon Prince (DP)?!?
--Your right, a lash DP is 5 points less, is better in CC, is more mobile, and looks cooler. The thing is with this army, though, I don't need more target saturation! And the Sorc. has a Force Weapon... Many undervalue its insta-kill aspect, and one thing that I need is character-kill for this army. SO for the same points, relatively, I get a S and is less of a fire powa' magnet (because I need lash, pretty much).

SO why not take more Sorc.'s with lash??!?
--Don't want my army so psychic heavy, it'd be rough vs anything that needs a ld roll on 3d6 or that can punish psykers.


I like this list, or atleast the idea behind it. Plus who doesn't like a little variation from normal chaos armies!! No oblits, no DP, three dreadnoughts, and even some raptors!! Sign me up.

What do you all think?

edits:
bolded the Dread errata
sorc. v DP section
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The raptors are kind of out of place. I think dropping them for another sorceror would be more benifical.

As I run a kan wall army, I like the similarities. You just lack the KFF. lol I however do mine as a shooty army. I do not assault unless it is the last option. I usealy out shot those I play. Its rather fun really.

But I do like the list, would love to hear how it goes for you.
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And I'll be sure to let you know... I just need the models first.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/432435/3961587.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/432435/3961587.page GMT CSM Walker Tactics 2k All-Comer str 8 shots. In this list i see 6 str 8(all in blast template form which makes it hard to hit with), 2 str 8 melta, and 9 str 6/7(cant remember if AC is 6 or 7) shots. The noise marines also lack a proper way to defend themselves in CC vs a dreadnought or other walker type.

Overall i see the theme, but the effectiveness is significantly less and far more fragile than what it is modeled after.

A themed list like this would be easier made by BA. 2x Libbys with shield, lots of marines, and lots of dreads to recieve the cover provided by shield of sanguinius.

Just my $0.02]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/432435/3961638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/432435/3961638.page GMT CSM Walker Tactics 2k All-Comer
Dave-c wrote:Well, I have to say it is far less effective than the actual kan wall. Nowhere near the kind of fire power and anti tank that the kan wall can lay down. my kan wall at 2k puts out 22 str 8 shots. In this list i see 6 str 8(all in blast template form which makes it hard to hit with), 2 str 8 melta, and 9 str 6/7(cant remember if AC is 6 or 7) shots. The noise marines also lack a proper way to defend themselves in CC vs a dreadnought or other walker type.


22 str 8 at what ballistic skill? I like this list. I'd like it better with plasma cannons on the dreads. Maybe even Plasma + Missile launcher since there isn't a lot of heavy weapons fire. This is a sit back and shoot list so chances are the dreads are never going to make it to close combat. I'd keep the autocannons on the defilers too, since with so few mech targets they are probably going to lose some battle cannons. Hell this might be a list where I would actually upgrade them to lascannon + havoc launcher. Make the enemy come to you and rain battle cannon pie plates and plasma cannons on them as long as you can. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/432435/3961899.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/432435/3961899.page GMT CSM Walker Tactics 2k All-Comer
Dave-c wrote:Well, I have to say it is far less effective than the actual kan wall. Nowhere near the kind of fire power and anti tank that the kan wall can lay down. my kan wall at 2k puts out 22 str 8 shots. In this list i see 6 str 8(all in blast template form which makes it hard to hit with), 2 str 8 melta, and 9 str 6/7(cant remember if AC is 6 or 7) shots. The noise marines also lack a proper way to defend themselves in CC vs a dreadnought or other walker type.

Overall i see the theme, but the effectiveness is significantly less and far more fragile than what it is modeled after.

A themed list like this would be easier made by BA. 2x Libbys with shield, lots of marines, and lots of dreads to recieve the cover provided by shield of sanguinius.

Just my $0.02


Your $0.02 isn't welcome...

I don't own Blood Angels thank you very much. This list is meant to be critiqued and not frowned upon.

I do appreciate the Dread advice, the putting on of plasma cannons at least. The reason I'm hesitant to do so is, well, AC's won't AP my troops!

I was thinking, with this list, that I would walk forward, with the unreliable Dreads in front. So I would plan to get into CC with all of my walkers, while my Noise Marines have the versatility to stay put or close in. No clue how this would work out, its only a theory.

3 lascannons on the deffies would be a hard stone to shine, as I don't think I'd pull off 60 points for the LC's so I can have another gun when my BC blows off. THOUGH I've never used LC's on Defilers, so how effective are they if you have experience with them?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/432435/3964410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/432435/3964410.page GMT CSM Walker Tactics 2k All-Comer
I do appreciate the Dread advice, the putting on of plasma cannons at least. The reason I'm hesitant to do so is, well, AC's won't AP my troops!

I was thinking, with this list, that I would walk forward, with the unreliable Dreads in front. So I would plan to get into CC with all of my walkers, while my Noise Marines have the versatility to stay put or close in. No clue how this would work out, its only a theory.

3 lascannons on the deffies would be a hard stone to shine, as I don't think I'd pull off 60 points for the LC's so I can have another gun when my BC blows off. THOUGH I've never used LC's on Defilers, so how effective are they if you have experience with them?


usually if they take your BC your better off running up and smashing something with your 4 DCCW's. Defiler is already a bit overcosted. no point in adding to it. ESPECIALLY since its a BS 3 Lascannon

Plasma on your Dreads is great. Just make sure you face them properly. they cant turn and fire at you, so as long as your careful, fire frenzy is nothing but gravy.

I would lose the mount. your sorc running off alone to go charge something and endangering your lash source? yeah... not so much. in fact a second 125 point lash sorc would make this army much better. hide them in squads.

I find your NM squads to be taking up too many points and not providing enough oomph. smaller squads /w fists would be better. or even vanilla CSM /w 2x melta guns and a fist champ. if you keep the Noise marines put your sorcs in there to provide the I6 PW and then have your champ with the PF on cleanup duty. too many same initiative attacks lets your opponents play wound allocation shenanigans. fist fist fist.

and lastly, i understand your going for a slanesh theme. but 3x battle cannons and 3x plasma cannons is enough anti-infantry for anyone. i think your going to have a much harder time vs mech, and you need things that can pop that mech from range, which means melta. multiple MSU marines or plague marines in rhinos /w combi meltas gives you this tank popping, AND adds more target saturation for your enemies limited armor piercing weapons. dropping 6xAV 12 and 4X AV 11 on the table at the start of the game can be intimidating. (my own army drops that, 2 DP, and threatens turn 2 Greater Daemon, rawr!)

Remember that the most recent FAQ plays into your favor, with the Dreadnoughts not being able to turn and fire frenzy AND lash being a Psychic shooting attack that can be used out of the hatch of a rhino.

Just my Buck and change (from someone who plays something similar )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/432435/3964514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/432435/3964514.page GMT