http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net HQ in some larger point games, but I'm torn on the best assault unit to complement him. The reason is torn is ecause I'm not sure about the cost/benefit of each unit. 40K isn't a game where performance reflects cost. Here are my options:

1. Vanguard vets, 10 man, jump packs (325 points)
2. Assault Squad, 10 man (280 points)
3. Assault Termies, 5 man, either LC or TH/SS, (200 points)

The vanguard are so expensive that I don't want to do any other upgrades because I can't bring myself to sink that many points into a single unit. Pretty much the same with the Assault Squad, but I may stick a meltabomb or some plasma pistols on them. The Termies are cheaper and have better armor, but their 6" move limits mobility and I don't have plans to buy them a LR to cart them about. There's my dilemma, any thoughts on which would be best?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/3994849.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/3994849.page GMT TH/SS: 400pts.

Seriously. Outflank this, Fleet it, and you've got one hell of a threat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/3994873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/3994873.page GMT
Feluca]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/3997215.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/3997215.page GMT GK codex. They were mostly competitive then, although your assault marines had to outnumber grey hunters or BA tac squads by a factor of 2 or 3 to have any chance of winning in assault.

Since the GK codex came out, I don't see how a vanilla assault marine + shrike unit can have any chance of doing anything useful against a GK army. With all the power weapons--many going at I6 and str5--regular assault marines would just charge and die.

I'm currently retooling my Shrike army to include a unit of 10 TH/SS terminators and a second unit of terminators in a land raider.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/3997657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/3997657.page GMT
Take 6 units of 10 CCW pistol scouts with a sarge with a combi melta and powerfist, infiltrate them just over 18 inches, scout move foward, get a first turn assault with all your dudes. Laugh.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/3997662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/3997662.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/4001101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/4001101.page GMT TH/SS termies. That odda pack a whallop.
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Even if you don't go with six squads of assaulting scouts (which is certainly overboard), a couple of units can give a nice alpha-strike component.
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Assault squad: No. I have to agree with Ragnar and Tom: assault space marines are just not hitty-killy enough to take on top-tier threats.

So the default option is assault terminators. More often than not, I'd start them on the table, infiltrating. And infiltrating to hold central/strategic ground. Once the game starts, this unit will be somewhat slow, even with fleet. You'll need other parts of the army (first-strike infiltrating/fleeting scouts, assault marine squads, etc.) to herd the enemy toward the terminators; or at least, to discourage them from simply moving out of their threat range.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/4004754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/434474/4004754.page GMT
http://saimhann.blogspot.com/2010/03/null-deployment-army-model.html

In fact, I'm thinking this might be more interesting to try than the land raider version. Lots of infiltrating outflanking scouts (though not six units), some drop pods, deepstriking speeders--could make for a very interesting army to play.
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