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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? CC Company Command Squad and Captain for my Loyalist Alpha Legion. Please offer your input! All of it helps!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067309.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067309.page GMT What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067323.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067323.page GMT Re:What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067431.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067431.page GMT What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? ICs in the game. Honor guard are also pretty strong if they get the charge. They don't have the defense that the terminators do, but they still throw out an awful lot of power weapon attacks. Best use for a command squad imo is to load them up with plasmaguns and shoot enemy squads full of holes. That keeps them cheap and they're still pretty effective. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067512.page GMT Re:What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? CC Termies being great (I run quite a few in other armies), but I wanted to run a CC Company Command Squad mostly for flavor. Maybe throwing in some plasma gunners (2) might help a CC Company Command Squad?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067522.page GMT What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067529.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067529.page GMT Re:What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? HQ's is definitely a Librarian w/ Null Zone and Terminator Armor.

Oh yeah, crap... Forgot about their rapid fire. And yeah, the Apothecary does give them Feel No Pain. Hmmmm.. I'll read up in the codex what options the Honor Guard have.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067550.page GMT What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? CC.

The relic blade is the option for the honor guard that most caught my eye. A honor guard with one of those hits most things on a 3, wounds most on a 2, and then they only get invulnerable saves, which they have to reroll if you have the librarian around. It doesnt get much better than that. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067566.page GMT Re:What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067583.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067583.page GMT What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067592.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067592.page GMT Re:What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up?
This squad is so expensive. Throwing on three Relic blades, 5 Honor Guard, Lysander, a drop pod, and a locator beacon on my first Drop pod makes is really expensive. As in, 500pts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067610.page GMT What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? As for the expense, yeah I agree. This is why people run the terminators instead. They also wound on 2s, and have a storm shield which the honor guard dont, and heavy armor so they live through more normal attacks. Really, for 40 points apiece they're hard to beat. I dont like how expensive honor guard are either. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4067669.page GMT Re:What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up?
But to transport the Terminators, I would also need a Land Raider, most preferably a Crusader. Considering what I already have in my Elites slots, I'll use them all up. Which, wouldn't be a bad thing, considering the only other things I'd run in that last slot would be a Sternguard. I could Deepstrike too, but I'd be afraid of loosing them. That's an expensive squad to loose, that'd be 400pts going down the drain if it failed deepstrike. Pedro Kantor could be a good model for this slot instead of Lysander as well. Combine him with some Sternguards, and he's terrifying. Not a CC squad, but a very scary, scoring, combi weapon squad. Maybe even Shrike and a squad of Vanguard. Vanguard are expensive, sure, but they're a CC squad, and with Shrike, that's a big OH CRA- for the enemy!
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Captain: Relic Blade and Storm Shield
Champion: Combat Shield, Storm Bolter, Power Weapon
Apothecary: Standard
Vet 1: Dual Lightning Claws
Vet 2: Thunderhammer, Storm Shield, Storm Bolter
Vet 3: Storm Bolter and Lightning Claws

Razorback: TL Lascannon
Also a Meltabomb or two I think.

Don't know the exact point costs, but it should be in the neighborhood of 300 points, excluding the Captain.

Some of my thoughts with this list:

1) Tried to make each person different for wound allocation.
2) They can ride in the Razorback, which is something that Terminators cannot do. Sure a Land Raider is better protection, but also costs a lot more points.
3) They can do some shooting when coming out of the Razorback.
4) Storm Bolters are Assault 2, so thats a few extra shots each turn even when assaulting.

I am sure it is not an ideal build, but it is still fairly effective and for me the fluff fits. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4068183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4068183.page GMT What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up?
That said if you're gonna bring an honour guard squad you also gotta pay for a chapter master.

I like the command squad in big points game as it brings extra CC strength when you already got your elites filled up.

Khan (on foot)

Command squad:
4 melta gun/LC/SS vets
Apothecary

There is some debate as to being able to upgrade one of your vets to the company champion after the gear upgrades (for the WS5).

Slap them in a land raider (with your Termie Libby?), and you have a hell of a close combat unit: move 12", disembark, 4 melta shots in a transport's bow, then assault the content with some furious charge claw goodness...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4068589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4068589.page GMT Re:What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up?

Demdiddydizzy wrote:Actually, this banner does all of that, and it's a chapter banner.

But to transport the Terminators, I would also need a Land Raider, most preferably a Crusader. Considering what I already have in my Elites slots, I'll use them all up. Which, wouldn't be a bad thing, considering the only other things I'd run in that last slot would be a Sternguard. I could Deepstrike too, but I'd be afraid of loosing them. That's an expensive squad to loose, that'd be 400pts going down the drain if it failed deepstrike. Pedro Kantor could be a good model for this slot instead of Lysander as well. Combine him with some Sternguards, and he's terrifying. Not a CC squad, but a very scary, scoring, combi weapon squad. Maybe even Shrike and a squad of Vanguard. Vanguard are expensive, sure, but they're a CC squad, and with Shrike, that's a big OH CRA- for the enemy!

What I've found with deepstriking is that, although it's possible you'll get screwed, most of the time you'll be fine. If you drop at the center of a foot wide circle, 1/3 of the time you'll hit spot on, because 2 out of the 6 faces of the scatter die are direct hits. The other 2/3 of the time you'll scatter 6 inches or less roughly half the time, and even for the times that you do scatter over 6, there's a strong possibility you'll scatter in a direction that's safe. In other words, the odds of something awful happening when you deep strike are not as high as it might seem. It can be worth the extra mobility provided you deploy intelligently. It's a risk, but hell you're rolling dice every turn. It's a game of chance. And look at the alternative. Either walk, which is doable but slow, or buy a raider, which is not that great offensively for what you're paying. The redeemer is really the only one that comes close to justifying its cost just in terms of the weapons it carries.

Pedro is fine. I like Lysander for the close combat beat down but whatever, Pedro isn't a bad choice either. And yes stern guard are excellent. Take them. Vanguard I would stay away from, just because th/ss terminators are less expensive and do the same job better. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4068959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4068959.page GMT Re:What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up?

I think Pedro and a squad of Stern would be very helpful in my army. There's not really much that can go wrong with them. Run him, and a squad of stern with a Powerfist, some combi weapons, all in a Drop Pod.

Yeah, tried writing them up, and gave up as they were too expensive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4069846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4069846.page GMT What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? TH/SS terms+nullzone and power of your choice librarian, stuck in a landraider. For 300p you get 5 of the hardest models you can get with some of the best weapons that you can get, which ignore armor leaving the enemy relying on invulnerable saves that they have to reroll because of the librarian. A landraider just makes it so much better. You can can a excellent amount of bang for your buck from the above unit.

d-usa wrote:
Vet 2: Thunderhammer, Storm Shield, Storm Bolter

Don't you swap the vet's gear for upgrades? I.E your pistol/CCW you start with? how do you get 3 weaps?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4069928.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4069928.page GMT Re:What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up? SS and Relic blade is scary, trust me. I've run against a few, so that could be an option.

Ergh, the only reason I don't want to run TH/SS Termies is only because I run them so often. I like using different units every once in a while, and TH/SS terminators are the most common ones I run. I'm not saying I dislike the concept of them running around with my Termie Librarian, cause let's face it, it'll be the hardest thing to kill in a LRR. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4070029.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4070029.page GMT What's a good, cheap, close combat oreinted Company Command Squad set up?

Jihallah wrote:

d-usa wrote:
Vet 2: Thunderhammer, Storm Shield, Storm Bolter

Don't you swap the vet's gear for upgrades? I.E your pistol/CCW you start with? how do you get 3 weaps?

For the command squad, the storm shield is not a swap. You can swap for the TH and storm bolter, and then every vet can take a storm shield.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4070332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/438558/4070332.page GMT