<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma
so, does anyone who has deployed Lychguard have any wonderful insights into their effectiveness at getting into close combat?

Thanks ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4092640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4092640.page GMT Re:Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma I did read an article involving Tyranid tactics where a group of genestealers was kept behind some termagants. When the enemy got close, there was enough of a gap between the gants to let the genestealers poor through.
I supoose a similar tactic would work. Conga line of warriors in front, probably with a rez-orbed lord thrown in to help them survive any shooting. They provide the lychguard cover saves, and the lychgaurd can slip between the warriors to assault once in range. If something does assault the warriors, the lychgaurd can counter assault on the next turn.
Might work out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4092712.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4092712.page GMT Re:Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4092783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4092783.page GMT Re:Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma
lord_bobbington wrote:Or perhaps you can have them hijack a ghost ark, it's open topped so they can assault out of it when they get out.


Except you cant put lychguard in a ghost ark. It can only carry the units specified in its codex entry and lychguard arent on that lis unfortunately. Keep in mind that lychguard are T5 and have a 2+ basic save with RP so they will still be really hard to put down for good. Throw in a lord w RO and now you have a squad that is REALLY hard to keep down. You could try to port them through a mono (though if you dont deepstrike it this will take time) or have them hijack a night scythe and hope it gets to where you want it to go.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4093060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4093060.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma
Given how hardy they are, I'd use them anyway. If they get into close combat, great. If they don't, that's also great. It means tons of shooting was directed towards them instead of other units. Yes they're expensive, but the shooting required to take them down is even more so.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4093127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4093127.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma
1.) Cryptek with a VoD.

2.) The Stormlord for the use of Nightfight.

3.) Monolith Portal

4.) 2 OverLords with Phase Shifters + 2 Royal Court members with 3+ Inv saves. Lords with Phase Shifter would be good or 2 Harbingers of Eternity with Time splinter coats.

Nothing in the Necron Codex is going to let you assault after using the VoD or Monolith portal but it could get you closer faster and have more units alive to assault.

Using the Phase Shifter Overlord and Royal court gives you 4 models to allocate wounds to with 3+ Inv saves. Downside is its a 1000+pt unit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4098758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4098758.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma
To wound rolls go off majority toughness. If it's not ap3 dump wounds on cypteks 1st.

If it's ap3 dump it on 2+ armor save lords

If it's ap2 dump the wound on a 4+ invo lychguard, or a cryptek if the unit has a cover save.

3+ cover saves is stupid expensive on lords, especially when the rest of the unit has a 4+ save. The are already going to be 75 points after weave, scythe, and mind shackle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4098872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4098872.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4098940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4098940.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma
Weave lords/overlords are probably best for absorbing ap3 shots.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4099006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4099006.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma
The enemy unit will either move away (perhaps not far enough with difficult terrain being what it is) or get shot to bits by their own AT guns.

If they're shooting me with something lighter than an AT gun, be my guest - a heavy bolter wounds on 4+ and I get armor against it.

Also two Chronometron cryptecs help with the saves.

EDIT: And, of course, flavor to taste = personally I prefer a kitted overlord with the works (pretty much).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4099251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4099251.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4099753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4099753.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma th/ss termies v lychguard with a res orb.

S4 Small arms v lychguard.

1/3 wound 1/3 fail armor save 1/2 fail res=1/18 hits drop a lychguard, up that to 1/27 shots for bs4

v th/ss

1/2 wound 1/6 fail armor saves=1/12 hits drop a th/ss termie or 1/18 for shots made at bs4

Las cannon wounds have a 1/3 chance of dropping a th/ss termie versus a 1/4 chance of dropping a lychguard.

krak has a 1/6 chance of dropping the termies versus a 1/4 chance of dropping a lychguard.

So unless the lychguard are beign pounded by ap3 weapons they are more durable than th/ss termies, and if they are the termies are hit by ap3 wounds the casualty rate goes from 16.5% to 25%.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4104128.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4104128.page GMT Re:Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma
If an enemy spends 2-3 turns firing their entire army into this heavily armored durable unit, thats 2-3 turns of them not firing at your annihilation barges/CCB/wraths, etc.

Plus any that the enemy does kill but gets back up is sort of a little gravy for you. Just keep placing your resurected models closer and closer to the enemy to get that little bit more movement for your inevitable charge.

I've seen what they do to an IG parking lot when they finally get there. Its not pretty. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4104150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4104150.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma
I can see them being alright in a nightscythe, but so many points finding themselves back in reserve would be no fun. You'd want a monolith or zandrek providing backup.

They don't seem really awkward to force down an opponents throat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4104270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4104270.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma IMO and entirely built around the Lychguard.

If you want a unit to absorb enemy fire use the Wraiths and Scarabs most armies are going to poor all fire into killing either of those choices and at half or more the cost of a Lychguard squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4104711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4104711.page GMT Re:Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma LOS and wait until the right moment to veil them into the enemies presence. Not only does the enemy have to deal with the lychguard, they also have to deal with the scarabs, wraiths, giant warrior blobs, etc that are now in their face as well. Take solar pulses or Imotekh to shield the advancing units in the mean time as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4104823.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/439909/4104823.page GMT Necrons: The Lychguard Dilemma MSS, Warscythe, Orb, and Phase Shifter

Deep striking is always a risk, but Lychguard can lock down an area like it's nobody's business.

Monolith portal is a good option as well.

I am curious to see how the arrival of Night Scythe kits will change how Lychguard are played. Could be a nice combination.


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