Andrew1975 wrote:This just goes to show that someone need to take a real look at the obesity issue. I remember I was smoking on an outdoor patio clearly labeled "smoking section" when some fat lady said very rudely told me that she was trying to eat here. My response was "Maybe you shouldn't".

Not that smoking is good for you, but obesity costs this country much more than smoking and I don't see any warning signs on twinkies or outrageous taxes on big macs.

Melissia wrote:A city named "McAllen-Edinburg-Mission" strikes me as an incredibly stuck up arrogant city.

It's just the name I'm sure ,but seriously, wtf is with that name?

Piston Honda wrote:http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/29/10925834-which-are-americas-fattest-cities

Saw this on the cover of MSN there is always one of these at least once or twice a year.

My current place of residence made it to number 2!

good job Binghamton!


Anyone ever notice when they do these articles they always show images of fat butts?

Experiment 626 wrote:Well, it's pretty sad to hear that this current generation of school-aged kids are going to be the first generation to have a shorter life expectancy than their parents.

But then, it's not surprising that so many North Americans in general are so grossly overwieght when you see that people actually eat foods like this kind of crap; http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/

timetowaste85 wrote:
I can honestly say that nothing on that list even looks remotely appetizing.

timetowaste85 wrote:

Piston Honda wrote:http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/29/10925834-which-are-americas-fattest-cities

Saw this on the cover of MSN there is always one of these at least once or twice a year.

My current place of residence made it to number 2!

good job Binghamton!


Anyone ever notice when they do these articles they always show images of fat butts?

That can't be right-your 5 Guys burger shack doesn't serve enough fries in their portions to make it the fattest city
I kid-I love 5 guys fries. Coincidentally, I live an hour east of you-I went to Binghamton for college, hobby supplies, and of course, 5 guys

Piston Honda wrote:Is it really one town? Or are they lumping like here in New York we have the "triple cities" Johnson City-Endicott-Binghamton.

Andrew1975 wrote:That melt sandwich is from Cleveland. It's not a regular menu item, but one of those contest foods designed more as a marketing gimmick. Some of my friends own that place, and while the food is delicious you really shouldn't eat there more than once a month. There is about a stick of butter melted into each piece of bread, its really good, but be warned, it is not good for you.

Andrew1975 wrote:This just goes to show that someone need to take a real look at the obesity issue. I remember I was smoking on an outdoor patio clearly labeled "smoking section" when some fat lady said very rudely told me that she was trying to eat here. My response was "Maybe you shouldn't".

Not that smoking is good for you, but obesity costs this country much more than smoking and I don't see any warning signs on twinkies or outrageous taxes on big macs.

Da Boss wrote:Man, some of the food on that thing...

You gotta wonder why obesity is rampant in some countrys but not so much in others. I mean, the food in the UK is pretty fattening on the whole, and while the UK has an obesity problem, it's not as bad as the US by a long ways. Ireland seems to run on beer and fried breakfasts, but again, while we're one of the worst in Europe for obesity and heart disease, not as bad as the US.

ifStatement wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:This just goes to show that someone need to take a real look at the obesity issue. I remember I was smoking on an outdoor patio clearly labeled "smoking section" when some fat lady said very rudely told me that she was trying to eat here. My response was "Maybe you shouldn't".

Not that smoking is good for you, but obesity costs this country much more than smoking and I don't see any warning signs on twinkies or outrageous taxes on big macs.

While I agree that obesity is as much of a health problem it's a floored parallel. I can stand by fat person eating a big mac without having to suffer their stinking habit myself.

dogma wrote:For example traditional Japanese foods are quite healthy

timetowaste85 wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:Well, it's pretty sad to hear that this current generation of school-aged kids are going to be the first generation to have a shorter life expectancy than their parents.

But then, it's not surprising that so many North Americans in general are so grossly overwieght when you see that people actually eat foods like this kind of crap; http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/

I can honestly say that nothing on that list even looks remotely appetizing.

DIDM wrote:I'll take a #6 extra super sized with two dollar burgers, a crispy chicken, 4 ranch cups and A DIET COKE



like diet coke is actually any better for you

Slarg232 wrote:

DIDM wrote:I'll take a #6 extra super sized with two dollar burgers, a crispy chicken, 4 ranch cups and A DIET COKE



like diet coke is actually any better for you

That's something I completely and totally loathe; I need to be HEALTHY! but I love my pop. I'm going to drink a 12 can pack of soda daily, but it's ok, it's Diet!

Melissia wrote:

dogma wrote:For example traditional Japanese foods are quite healthy

I dunno if I'd mention Japan here. Japan, as a culture, is incredibly screwed up. "You're one pound over the standard weight (even if that pound is because of muscle), YOU ARE FAT AND EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH YOU IS CAUSED BY YOU BEING HORRENDOUSLY OVERWEIGHT!"

dogma wrote: Obesity is funny. I was obese when I was 18-19 at 5'9 250, but it was mostly muscle. The idea that muscle weight doesn't contribute to obesity needs to be considered carefully.

LumenPraebeo wrote:
It shouldn't, but at a weight of 250 at 5'9, even when it is MOSTLY muscle, that is extremely heavy for a person of that height. When you're 250 at 5'9, its only okay if it is ALL muscle. And even then, its not a healthy weight. Were you wrestling by any chance?

dogma wrote:

Da Boss wrote:Man, some of the food on that thing...

You gotta wonder why obesity is rampant in some countrys but not so much in others. I mean, the food in the UK is pretty fattening on the whole, and while the UK has an obesity problem, it's not as bad as the US by a long ways. Ireland seems to run on beer and fried breakfasts, but again, while we're one of the worst in Europe for obesity and heart disease, not as bad as the US.

A lot of it is food costs and portioning. I can get a large deep dish cheese from Giordano's for ~20 USD. This pizza has 8 slices, each slice is 550 calories. They claim the pizza serves 3-4 people. Its basically 2 days of food for 1 person, so about 10 USD per day for what is, essentially, a near luxury food.

When I was in Spain it cost me about 30 USD per day to get ~2000 calories per day with food of similar quality.

That said, I think the bigger issue is just the way different nations look at being fat. No major nation I know of likes it, but some of them seem largely indifferent to it. I imagine that climate plays a significant role, as do the nature of traditional foods. For example traditional Japanese foods are quite healthy, as are most traditional Spanish foods.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Another thing about Japan is that there is a national cncern with weight. All restaurants print the calorie values in their menus, and there is a government programme to avoid obesity. Since most workers have an insurance health check every year, Japanese doctors have plenty of opportunities to tell you off for being fat.
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dogma wrote:
Obesity is funny. I was obese when I was 18-19 at 5'9 250, but it was mostly muscle. The idea that muscle weight doesn't contribute to obesity needs to be considered carefully.

mattyrm wrote: My missus and I got all these wrong, I always thought the fattest places would be in Mississippi and Alabama and places with poor educational achievements and large African American contingencies.

But Texas is where all the fatties are nowadays? :S

Frazzled wrote:

mattyrm wrote: My missus and I got all these wrong, I always thought the fattest places would be in Mississippi and Alabama and places with poor educational achievements and large African American contingencies.

But Texas is where all the fatties are nowadays? :S

These studeis are usually a joke and not actually based on, you know, fat people, but nonsense like the total miles of bike lanes a city has.

Andrew1975 wrote:I'm currently doing a stint in Mobile Alabama, I moved here after doing a year in San Diego. The difference in health is night and day.

San Diego is pretty healthy, great food options from eating out to grocery. There is a giant push in San Diego for locally owned restaurants serving locally sourced food which helps keep things healthy. I think because of this push you actually get a lot of great options at really good prices. The local cuisine is a combination of Mexican and seafood. The Mexican is about the best I have ever had, maybe not the healthiest stuff, but not too bad either. There is an abundance of great seafood options. While you could certainly blow a few hundred dollars on dinner in San Diego you did not have to. The amount of mid level restaurants serving excellent food in San Diego is one of the things I loved the most about living there. Half priced Sushi happy hours became my bread and butter.

On the completely other end of the spectrum we have.

Mobile, Alabama is so disgustingly unhealthy, its absurd. The grocery stores here are terrible, mostly consisting of Wal Mart grocery stores, with very limited selections, almost none of them healthy. Trying to find low fat anything in a grocery store in Mobile is an exercise in futility. To top it off grocery is more expensive here than in San Diego. I would kill for a Trader Joes right now! Eating out is for the most part a non starter. The city is completely dominated by chains, from fast food to dinners and restaurants it is almost completely corporate. You can literally see from one waffle house to the next its so bad. The local cuisine basically consists of lard fried lard. Your only healthy options are very expensive restaurants, there is no middle ground here, its either TGI Fridays (2 for $20) or NOJA (2 for $200). I've recently started my quest for the farmers markets, but these are so random and out in the cut, that it might as well be a second job. AND IF I SEE ANOTHER GIGANTOR ORDERING SWEET TEA I THINK I"M GOING TO KILL THEM......TRY SOME EFFING WATER!

Andrew1975 wrote:

You know the Civil War started because some Yankeee impugned the greatness of sweet tea...barbarian.

In the US we have clean water available at the touch of a faucet in almost every home in America. This is a luxury that most of the world would kill for. For the most part we piss on it. I know people that personally will not drink tap water. They come in two varieties, ones that only drink flavored beverages loaded with sugar, and the ones that will only drink bottled water. Battled water is a completely unregulated wasteful marketing scam. I can't tell you how often I have had people ask me for water at my clubs, and as I go to fill a glass FOR FREE from the gun, they ask for bottled water. We charge $3 for bottled water, our tap water is municipal water that we run trough an additional filter, still they want the bottle. For a long time I refused to carry bottled water, but the customer is king and money talks.

It amazes me that people are willing to pay upwards of $8 for a gallon of water. Hell, when I bought my last club I inherited cases of BLING water, they used to sell it for $30 for 8 oz bottle because some rapper endorsed it. I dropped it all off at the homeless shelter. Its no wonder the oil companies feel they can charge $5 for a gallon of gas.



Sweat tea is bad but look what happens when you mix Mountain Due and Appalachia. People are putting mountain due in baby bottles. This is by far worse that cigarettes, and there is little to no warnings or education about it.

Da Boss wrote:Poutine sounds so rank. I can't believe people eat stuff like that.

Then again, when I was in university, once a week I'd down 6-8 pints of guinness and slouch to the chipper for chips with cheese and curry sauce on top.

Frazzled wrote:Well in the words of the immortal bard: "I picked a bad week to quit sniffing glue."

Andrew1975 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Well in the words of the immortal bard: "I picked a bad week to quit sniffing glue."

Do you like gladiator movies?

Kilkrazy wrote:Mobile, Alabama? Immobile, Alabama more like.

ifStatement wrote:
Mostly muscle? Sure. Wladimir klitschko would have to put on weight to be that heavy and he's six foot six.

Amaya wrote:Is Dogma seriously claiming to have benched 500+ LBs at 18/19?

ifStatement wrote:The fact I said CHUBBY Arnold Schwarzenegger aside, I'm not assuming anything of the sort. If you want my own opinion I'm going to call bull on the whole idea that you were a 250 pound 18 year old who was obese but with "mostly muscle" and could bench press 500 pounds.

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:The fact I said CHUBBY Arnold Schwarzenegger aside, I'm not assuming anything of the sort. If you want my own opinion I'm going to call bull on the whole idea that you were a 250 pound 18 year old who was obese but with "mostly muscle" and could bench press 500 pounds.

Probably because you're assuming being mostly composed of muscle means not being obese. A common mistake.

ifStatement wrote:
No more to do with your nack of posting tidbits of information about yourself which is never in the least bit modest or self deprecating and also never asked for before hand. It's usually to the tune of 'your wrong about that hers what I just read on wikipedia. Did I mention I was a well hung ladys man with a doctorate who can bench press 500 pounds and has a job with a six figure salary?'

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:
No more to do with your nack of posting tidbits of information about yourself which is never in the least bit modest or self deprecating and also never asked for before hand. It's usually to the tune of 'your wrong about that hers what I just read on wikipedia. Did I mention I was a well hung ladys man with a doctorate who can bench press 500 pounds and has a job with a six figure salary?'

Oh, Hello whatwhat, good to see you.

ifStatement wrote:
No, go ahead.

ifStatement wrote: Did I mention I was a well hung lady's man with a doctorate who can bench press 500 pounds and has a job with a six figure salary?'

ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.

You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.

Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.

You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.

Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.

Sasori wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:Well, it's pretty sad to hear that this current generation of school-aged kids are going to be the first generation to have a shorter life expectancy than their parents.

But then, it's not surprising that so many North Americans in general are so grossly overwieght when you see that people actually eat foods like this kind of crap; http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/

I can honestly say that nothing on that list even looks remotely appetizing.

The Guinness chocolate pudding sounded pretty good.

dogma wrote:

Oh, hello whatwhat, good to see you.

Cave_Dweller wrote:Lots of fatties in Canada, too. I work in Ontario and I'm always amused at how fat they are, just like Americans. Gotta have that Tim Hortons extra large donut! And poutine...mmmm yummy poutine.

ifStatement wrote:

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.

You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.

Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.

I hope it's not clear as it's not true. I only brought it up to explain why I didn't believe your 500 pound lifting eighteen year old story. In my experience people who go on about how brilliant they are all the time usually talk up a load of crap. I genuinely don't object to you doing it. In this case I actually found it entertaining.

Albatross wrote:Dogma, was that picture you posted (of the large gentleman flanked by two women) of you? I mean, I know you don't look like that now (from the 'Show Yourself' thread), but in the past?

If so, that's crazy.

Melissia wrote:1074 lbs (488 kg) to be precise.

mattyrm wrote:

dogma wrote:

Oh, hello whatwhat, good to see you.

Oh I do hope he comes back.. He was almost as good as Galbraithe!

Amaya wrote:I wouldn't hold the Japanese up as the pinnacle of a physically healthy society or even consider them a worthy model to copy. Simply being a 'normal' body weight doesn't mean you're healthy.

Pacific wrote:

Amaya wrote:I wouldn't hold the Japanese up as the pinnacle of a physically healthy society or even consider them a worthy model to copy. Simply being a 'normal' body weight doesn't mean you're healthy.

Right, although being the longest-lived nation (with the exception of some principalities which home the super-wealthy) makes you think they are doing something right!

Amaya wrote:
Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.

dogma wrote:

Amaya wrote:
Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.

Conversely, being athletic, or simply muscular, also doesn't mean that you're healthy. For example, Scott Mendelson is probably going to die fairly young.

ifStatement wrote:
I would hope that people don't need to be told that excessive concentration of anaerobic over aerobic exercise is not healthy.

ifStatement wrote:No it's quite simple. Frankly if anyone thinks lifting weights until your arms ache then downing a protein shake is more healthy than playing a 90 minute game of football or taking a bike ride they're an idiot.

dogma wrote:

Amaya wrote:
Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.

Conversely, being athletic, or simply muscular, also doesn't mean that you're healthy. For example, Scott Mendelson is probably going to die fairly young.

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:No it's quite simple. Frankly if anyone thinks lifting weights until your arms ache then downing a protein shake is more healthy than playing a 90 minute game of football or taking a bike ride they're an idiot.

It actually isn't simple at all, and honestly that you think it is has me questioning what you actually know about the subject.

Amaya wrote:Gonna take a wild guess and say you haven't done any olympic lifts, squats, or deadlifts ever.

20 rep squats wreck my lungs much more than running 6 miles ever did.

ifStatement wrote:

Amaya wrote:Gonna take a wild guess and say you haven't done any olympic lifts, squats, or deadlifts ever.

20 rep squats wreck my lungs much more than running 6 miles ever did.

Oh well it must be more healthy then.

Amaya wrote:

ifStatement wrote:

Amaya wrote:Gonna take a wild guess and say you haven't done any olympic lifts, squats, or deadlifts ever.

20 rep squats wreck my lungs much more than running 6 miles ever did.

Oh well it must be more healthy then.

Yeah, you obviously know nothing about weightlifting.

ifStatement wrote:
What about the idea that anaerobic exercise is not as healthy as aerobic exercise is not simple?

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:
What about the idea that anaerobic exercise is not as healthy as aerobic exercise is not simple?

Explain to me what it means to be healthy such that anaerobic exercise is less healthy than aerobic exercise.

Further, not all lifting is anaerobic, there are tons of training regimes that feature aerobic lifting systems.

ifStatement wrote:
You know I feel like I'm speaking in plain english but somehow giving one example of lifting weights as an anaerobic exercise amounts to me saying that all weight lifting is anaerobic in your head. Turns out putting Dr in front of your name doesn't amount to much these days.

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:
You know I feel like I'm speaking in plain english but somehow giving one example of lifting weights as an anaerobic exercise amounts to me saying that all weight lifting is anaerobic in your head. Turns out putting Dr in front of your name doesn't amount to much these days.

You said that lifting until your arms ache and downing a protein shake is less healthy than playing a game of football. This implies that lifting is anaerobic, because soccer most definitely is. I can lift until my arms ache and down a protein shake, while exercising aerobically, just as I can play football till my legs ache and exercise aerobically. Hell, my legs ache far more after a rugby match than any leg workout.

Either way, the problem is that you think "plain English" means anything separate from "what I'm trying to express". It doesn't, if you can't clearly define your terms in a written context with people you don't know personally, then you're terms are probably crap, and the problem with being misunderstood is probably on your end.

ifStatement wrote:
You must become a real ball ache when it comes to arguing between raw and rai. In other words it's clear what type of weight lifting exercise I was getting at in that example.

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:
You're just being deliberately particular to back up your idea that I don't believe any type of weight lifting could possibly be involved in aerobic exercise. I'm alltogether too familiar with the difficulties of being understood when the person your talking to is an arrogant narcissist who would quible with the slightest spelling mistake just to increase their one upmanship brownie points.

I'm actually more concerned with the broad claim you made regarding health, but whatever.

And sure, I'm arrogant, news at 11. I've admitted this before, and most people here are well aware. Narcissistic, maybe in my worst moments regarding nondescript others, though I generally only think of myself as important to me.

ifStatement wrote:
I didn't call you arrogant because I thought it might come as a surprise to you, nor a narcissist because I needed your approval. The fact that you are not insulted is not bothering me as it wasn't my intention. That you interpreted it as an insult is telling enough.

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:
I didn't call you arrogant because I thought it might come as a surprise to you, nor a narcissist because I needed your approval. The fact that you are not insulted is not bothering me as it wasn't my intention. That you interpreted it as an insult is telling enough.

I interpreted it as an insult?

ifStatement wrote:
Of course not you just felt the need to qualify something I said outside of it's context for gaks and giggles.

ifStatement wrote:I doubt that was your true aim but keep trying if you must. Confusing me with in-jokes is probably not going to work either btw.

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:I doubt that was your true aim but keep trying if you must. Confusing me with in-jokes is probably not going to work either btw.

I don't really care what you believe, because you're not likely to believe anything that I say. Similarly, the in-joke wasn't for you.

Internet forums are, essentially, wonderful text-based RPGs with NPCs that, generally, are more interesting than coded versions.