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Emperor's Champion, AACNMTO 140
With 6 Assault terminators, 4LC/2TH with furious charge 258
In a Land Raider Crusader 265

Crusader squad 7/3 with power fist and meltagun 167
in a rhino

Crusader squad 7/3 with power fist and meltagun 167
in a rhino

Crusader squad 7/3 with power fist and meltagun 167
in a rhino

Crusader squad 5/0 with a lascannon 95
in a razorback with TL-lascannon

This takes me to 1499, I usually have my LRC deployed either in the middle as close to my opponent as possible but behind some sort of cover for those times when i feel it's vulnerable, it charges up, opens transports and my terms+EC take care of what's inside, this unit's all well and good.

I usually have 1 unit sit on my objective using the rhino as cover, sometimes have 2 units on one objective using the rhinos as a wall to protect my objective while the LRC and the other unit causes havoc, the lazorback sits somewhere juicy taking pot shots while the unit with the lascannon is deployed separately so it's able to use the lascannon on the first turn.

I've fought everything except Orks so far and have lost quite, drawing a few and only winning a handful.
I've thought about swapping the razorback+unit for something in the heavy support department, mostly a predator. clearing up points to give my rhinos smoke launchers and my LRC blessed hull. Any and all help is appreciated, thanks.


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A quick idea for an alternate list would be

EC, AAC
6 CC Terms w/ FC
LRC

7/3 crusader squad, PF/melta
rhino

7/3 crusader squad, PF/melta
rhino

3 Predator destructors with lascannon sponsons

however this lacks troop choices.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4101876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4101876.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4108949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4108949.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4109575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4109575.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D BT. Do one or the other not both. If you want to assault fine then drop the last squad for a PotMS vindicator. If you want to do shooty then you are pretty far off since all the others would need to look like the Lascannon squad with a PG. The assault termis would then need to be shooty termis.

With that said shooty BT are actually more competative.

@Notod: That isn't a command squad since we can't take assault terminator squads. It's a Termi Assault squad he attached the EC to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4109714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4109714.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D EC isn't with a command squad it's just attached to the terminators which are elites

I've read both comments and agree that i won't to go more close combat, being less competitive I want to have more fun than wins but I do want to win sometimes, so I'll be getting a vindicator as soon as possible. thank you,]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4112249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4112249.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D
Dont take Lazor backs they are a waste of points IMHO. if you want something reli competitive grabs a few Landspeeder Typhoons i run 3 of em in a 1500 point list. great anti horde and decent anti tank.

That being said your list seems a lil bland to me. I know exactly ur game strat before we even start the game. Crusader comes up unloads termies while ur Rhinos try and hold a few objectives and one or two go up the the LRC to help the termies. am i right? oh and ur lazor back might shoot something. you dont reli have any anti horde or anti mech from far away other than one Lazor back whch lets b honnest probli will b stunned locked or blown up turn 2.

My Assualt Based 1500 pt list
Emperor's champion – AaCnMtO 140
Dreadnought, Venerable, EA 130
Dreadnought, EA 110
Dreadnought, EA 110
TR – Initiates x 7, PF, Meltagun, Rhino 187
TR – Initiates x 8, PF, Meltagun, Rhino 203
Land Speeder, Typhoon Missile Launchers 70
Land Speeder, Typhoon Missile Launchers 70
Land Speeder, Typhoon Missile Launchers 70
Predator Destructors, Lascannon Sponson 125
Predator Destructors, Lascannon Sponson 125
Vindicator, PotMS, EA 160

Here you have several different threats from Landspeeder to dreads to my heavy support and its still assault based (AaCnMtO)

Shooty based 1500pt List
Emperor's champion - AtWKtW 110
Dreadnought, LC, EA, Ven, TH 160
Dreadnought, LC, EA 130
Dreadnought, LC, EA 130
Crusader Squad x 5 Lascannon 95
Crusader Squad x 5 Lascannon 95
Crusader Squad x 5 Missle Launcher 90
Land Speeder Typhoon Missile Launchers 70
Land Speeder Typhoon Missile Launchers 70
Land Speeder Typhoon Missile Launchers 70
Vindicator, PotMS, EA 160
Vindicator, PotMS, EA 160
Vindicator, PotMS, EA 160

here you can see the "Main threat" the Vindicators that can easly destroy any 1500 pt list but what ur real bread makers are ur landspeeders they are whats gonna help you win the game, pop them in and out of cover get angles on enemies all different sort of things and you use ur dreads (in both lists) to give ur vindicators cover saves while still moving up the field (if need b)


Now the list i showed arent my main army lists but they both have an extreme win to loss ratio and in fact the first one has won me 3 tournaments so far.
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Nettik189 wrote:Akro quit stealing my saying!

What lazerbacks? I've heard it before...and with BT it's really good advice. Advice I got from you but still good advice that is merely being spread to others!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4116783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4116783.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D
Akroma06 wrote: 90 points for a lazerback? Pass.
This is half the story. It depends on your needs but you clearly have five options:
a) loose troops, not as crazy as it sounds but the protection from a tank is probably worth it.
b) Drop pod, not as crazy as it sounds but a specialist method
c) Land raider, Makes sense if you want them assaulty though costs a tonne.
leaving us with
d) rhino for 50 pts, ouch that is expensive but it is reasonable to take on.
e)laserback for +40, well a TL lascannon is nice addition, especially if you taking CMLs, typhoons and vindis to support. In terms of extra 40 points it would be churlish to point out this is the same price all marines pay to upgrade a rhino. Not saying this will always the best option but neither would I say it so terrible value for money given the points you may already be prepared to invest in a rhino.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4117358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4117358.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D Nettik189 after looking at both of your lists i like the look of them both, favouring the first though, I do think my army will benefit from land speeder typhoons, so i'll be getting 3 of those as soon as possible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4117824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4117824.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D
Kiwikle: if you can get 4 make 2 squads of 2.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4117891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4117891.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D FC.

Despite the lazerback being 90 points the other downside is that you don't get to shoot out of it with your LC or a PG. You also can only fit 6 guys inside for a CC army. Where as you can fire out and you can run 10 guys in a rhino.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4117920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4117920.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D LOS for ur vindicator, or preditors. Also what i love to do and it annoys people grab 9 termies all SS/TH and walk em up the field they are so hard to kill.

In respects to ur assault squad sizes i found 8 is the best number for saving points.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4118086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4118086.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D FC somewhere and run down the board yelling WAGGH like your an ork! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4118197.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4118197.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4118202.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4118202.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4118227.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4118227.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D TBH i can spend those waste 100 points on 2 normal land speeders and get more average kills and b more of a threat, i dont like my troops being targeted by the enemy so i dont charge them in if i dont have to. ur either giving up 2 free kp or a scoring unit. to me ill keep em at arms reach away so if need to i can throw them into assault(but rarely do)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4118303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4118303.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D FA slots so they can work independantly and not be destroyed by immobalised result

I would also use your transports for transorting and NOT hiding behind. leave two TR for claiming objectives without thier transposts, giving you another 80 pts or so to play with. This can now be another skimmer with a multimelta and heavy flamer - a good all round shoot tanks or burn troops (with no cover saves).

ALSO - In my list i do not have Assault termies... i have a sqad of 6 normal termies with 2 assault cannons. hey can deply from the lrc and shoot then assault. you shoudl be able to erradicate a squad or two of enemies in a single (multiple/dual) assault if you line it up well.

GL!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4119120.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4119120.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D
BT need transports unless ur going pure 5 Iniatates w/ LC,ML or PC when you dont have cover you can easily kill them. U keep the transports for mobility and strategy, you can easily disembark ur guys tank shock with ur rhino to push some one off and objective or away from an objective while ur troops take it.

For Landspeeder tornado they are expensive for BT (5 pts more exp than typhoon) for a gun with less range and one thats a template thats reli only effective turn 2 and you have to b close to them to use it. IDK about other people but i run melta if ur close enough to use ur flamer im close enough to auto glance you. your speeders you want to keep far away unles they have no weapons then even still you wanna save em for last turn turbo boosting.

In your list do you run AAC or KtW? also i know its sorta of a propular play style but why assault cannons? you realize if you move up the field unload and shoot with 2 assault cannons and 4 storm bolters ur probli gonna kill the closest models to you and you wont b able to assault. Unless you are facing gaurd that stacks you will probli at best case get in assault with one unit where all your guys hit last. you will probli lose one or two models give who you assault. Even tau have been know to take out termies in assault, My point is if you are gonna run AAC run assault terminators all SS/TH they dont need a LRC or LR they will get shoot at and assault and will probli still live threw the game. I run 17 in a 2.5k tourny list and on avearge i lose 7 total and so far this year i am undefeated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4119179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4119179.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D
EC AAC
9 Assault terminatos with furious charge 5 TH/SS, 4LC
Walking

8/2 crusader squad with powerfist and meltagun
in a rhino with smoke launchers

8/2 crusader squad with powerfist and meltagun
in a rhino with smoke launchers

8/2 crusader squad with powerfist and meltagun
in a rhino with smoke launchers

2 Land speeder typhoons (heavy bolter and typhoon missile launchers)

Vindicator with power of the machine spirit and smoke launchers

Having tried out this army I can definitely say that I'm going to get more Land speeders as they worked very well, The terminators walking with the EC works very well albeit slow, and so far my vindicator has been getting wrecked from very lucky shots and bad cover saves =[

Hopefully next week I'll get 2 more land speeders, dropping a few terminators and swapping 1 initiate for a neophyte in each crusader squad.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4123634.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4123634.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D
Emperor's Champion AAC
9 Assault Terminators with Furious charge, 5 TH/SS 4 LC
Walking

8/2 Crusader Squad with powerfist and meltagun
in a Rhino with smoke launchers

8/2 Crusader Squad with powerfist and meltagun
in a Rhino with smoke launchers

3 Land speeder typhoons (heavy bolter and typhoon missile launchers) running them in 3 separate units

2 Vindicators with power of the machine spirit and smoke launchers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4149267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4149267.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D ss/th drop FC and that gives you 67 free points alomst enough for another Landspeeder

Edited for Dislike, i reii hate them!!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4149914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4149914.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4150278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4150278.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4153449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4153449.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D I tried a Dreadnought and he did great so I'm thinking something along those lines.

This is what i'm thinking of taking now

EC AAC

8/1 Crusader squad, melta and powerfist
Rhino with smoke launchers

9/1 Crusader squad, melta and powerfist
Rhino with smoke launchers

Venerable dreadnought with extra armour
Dreadnought with extra armour

3 Vinidicators with PotmS

3 Land speeder typhoons

Taking me to a total of 1468,
Should I be taking offensive grenades? if not I could replace the neophytes for initiates taking meto 1500 on the dot]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4197872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4197872.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4200237.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4200237.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D
Emperor's champion with AACNMTO
9/0 Crusader squad, meltagun and powerfist(6 pistols/CCW, 1 bolter) 9 frag grenades
in a rhino with smoke launcher

9/0 Crusader squad, meltagun and powerfist(6 pistols/CCW, 1 bolter) 9 frag grenades
in a rhino with smoke launcher

1 Venerable Dreadnought with extra armour
1 Dreadnought with extra armour

3 Vindicators with power of the machine spirit

2 Land speeder typhoons

I played firstly against a guard/marine army that I think was Traitor Legions from the badab war book, played 5 turns and lost the crusader squad which my emperor's champion was in after they ditched their rhino, however the rhino survived the game, so only 1 kill point lost.

The second game i played was against Nids, he had a prime, tyrant, 2 tervigons, carnifex and 30 CC gaunts, 2 units of 10 shooty gaunts, but we were cut short and I won losing no kill points and I had 4


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The only thing I'm thinking of doing is adding another dreadnought cos they've lasted forever against everything and still dish out the pain.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4206616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4206616.page GMT Re:Black Templars 1500 please help :D
Emperor's Champion with accept any challenge no matter the odds.

Crusader squad with 6 initiates, 2 neophytes, powerfist and meltagun with frags in a rhino with smoke launchers

Crusader squad with 6 initiates, 2 neophytes, powerfist and meltagun with frags in a rhino with smoke launchers

Venerable dreadnought with extra armour

2 Dreadnoughts with extra armour

2 Land speeder typhoons

3 Vindicators with power of the machine spirit

Champion hitches a ride with one of the crusader squad, with the dreadnoughts provide cover for the vindicators, the crusader squad without the champion drops out and uses the rhino as a sort of road block, hopefully pushing my opponent to where I want them, the champion and his squad ditch the rhino a bit later in favour of assaulting but still causing a road block with the rhino.

I've used this list against a smurf army led by kantor, dark eldar, and necrons, I didn't faceroll any of them but i did win and I had fun.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4213886.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4213886.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4214204.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4214204.page GMT Black Templars 1500 please help :D
Emperor's Champion with accept any challenge no matter the odds.
Crusader squad with 5 initiates, powerfist and meltagun with frags in a rhino with smoke launchers
Crusader squad with 5 initiates, powerfist and meltagun with frags in a rhino with smoke launchers
Venerable dreadnought with extra armour
2 Dreadnoughts with extra armour
3 Land speeder typhoons
3 Vindicators with power of the machine spirit

This list has served me well, mostly in kill points but i've still been able to win objective matches easily aswell by keeping my troops safe using the dreadnoughts/vindicators as cover/walls, charging 3 vindicators in a line is pretty intimidating i've been told

My idea for a 2000 list would be dropping extra armour for the ven/dreadnoughts and smoke launchers from the rhinos
and adding a master of sanctity for some extra close combatyness, and 6 landspeeder typhoons,

My current list with 3 typhoons have them working really well, so my thoughts were how could 6 more not work!

So here's my 2000 list

Emperor's Champion with accept any challenge no matter the odds.
Master of Sanctity
Crusader squad with 5 initiates, powerfist and meltagun with frags in a rhino
Crusader squad with 5 initiates, powerfist and meltagun with frags in a rhino
Venerable dreadnought
2 Dreadnoughts
3 Land speeder typhoons
3 Land speeder typhoons
3 Land speeder typhoons
3 Vindicators with power of the machine spirit

Ideas and comments appreciated]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4261034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/440445/4261034.page GMT