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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "1500 orks to beat IG"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 1500 orks to beat IG IG army - but I'm limited by the models I have (and this is after using some proxys). Its a wee bit character heavy - although I think they all serve an important purpose, and its a little short on separate units to disperse his firepower - but I'm limited by points, and last time I ended up falling back before getting into combat because my mobs were too small.

Have a look at my list & basic tactic ideas at the bottom & let me know your thoughts. It's not tested yet; usually I play 3 squads of 20 boyz, warboss, big mek, less lootas, nobs, and ard boyz in a trukk.

He is fielding Yarrick & bodyguard in a Valkyrie, a command squad, a couple of squads with heavy weapons, 3 sentinels, 2 leman russes (one with plasma cannon), and a manticore. (Sometimes he mixes up with stormtroopers). He invariably places his squads w/heavies on hills at the board edges with command squad hiding behind one; russes, sentinels, & manticore in the centre; and the full valkyrie in reserve which outflanks.

My new list:

HQ ......... [370pts]
Ghazghkrull Thraka
Old Zogwort

TROOP ......... [420pts]
30 slugga boyz (+Nob w/PK & BP)
30 slugga boyz (+Nob w/PK & BP)

ELITE ......... [460pts]
15 Lootas
15 Kommandos w/Snikrot & 2 Burnaz

FAST ATTACK ......... [210pts]
2 Deffkoptas (both with TLRL & Buzzsaw)
Deffkopta (TLRL & Buzzsaw)

Idea is:

- Scout the deffkoptas & kamakazi them hopefully taking out his manticore or a russ & a sentinel or two (or at least stop them firing their nasties at my footslogging boyz).
- Have Ghaz, Snik, and the Kommandos pop up on his table edge and deal with the hidden command squad & heavy weapons squad.
- Run the boyz up with zoggy in with one squad - hoping to get that magic second waaagh or curse to turn Yarrick into that lovely squig!
- If Ghaz survives, start towards some rear armors.
- Lootas looking out for the Valkyrie, but otherwise focus on second heavy weapons squad.

Any thoughts?
I'm still new to this - so any constructive crit will be most welcome

Thanks!

h.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4113880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4113880.page GMT Re:1500 orks to beat IG http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4114325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4114325.page GMT Re:1500 orks to beat IG KFF mek than zogwort. he will protect your boys. Zogwort will do, well next to nothing, then die. I wish zogwort was an upgrade character and not an HQ slot. He is basically unusable. The only real proper place for him is in a nob squad where he gets the waagh banner, he is a CC beast. If you are hoping on any of his psychic powers doing anything useful, you will be sadly dissapointed 90% of the time. As is everyone else. Sticking him with a pack of 30 boyz is a huge risk, if you get an ere we go, good luck deepstriking 30 boyz without a mishap.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4114378.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4114378.page GMT Re:1500 orks to beat IG

Grots R OP wrote:You would be much better off with a KFF mek than zogwort. he will protect your boys. Zogwort will do, well next to nothing, then die. I wish zogwort was an upgrade character and not an HQ slot. He is basically unusable. The only real proper place for him is in a nob squad where he gets the waagh banner, he is a CC beast. If you are hoping on any of his psychic powers doing anything useful, you will be sadly dissapointed 90% of the time. As is everyone else.

Agreed.

BM, KFF is pretty much an auto take]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4114382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4114382.page GMT Re:1500 orks to beat IG

I know you're probably right... I mean KFF is the stock answer to just about everything I ask on here ... but gaagghh I just want to see Yarrick turn into a squig so bad! Didn't really think about the +1 WS, thats a fun option to try!

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Nettik189 wrote:I dont believe in tailoring lists. In a tourny you dont have taillored list against a certain army so to play a game with a tailored list to me is like cheating.

Hi. I respect your opinion & kinda get what you're saying - but we're not in a toruny, and as a regular opponent we are constantly trying to tweak & tailor our tactics to beat each other & improve gameplay.... I think that's a longshot from 'cheating' which assumes one player has an unfair advantage over the other. But that's me. :-) thanks for the comment.

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hey & just a thought - Zoggy's a warphead - so could potentially re-roll a deep strike (doesn't eliminate the risk but makes it less likely). Also, mob rule will mean he's more likely to use his powers in a large boyz squad right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4115970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4115970.page GMT Re:1500 orks to beat IG ML and a few terminators to bubble wrap my army i can easily beet him but when will i ever use those models in an actual game? so your not reli forming a strategy more so ur asking what weapons with b the best at killing IG]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4116577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4116577.page GMT Re:1500 orks to beat IG HQ slot. What's really not fun is watching all of your boyz die and having your 180 point HQ do nothing. My opinion on Zogwort is that he should be something like Zaggstruk or snikrot-a guy you can add to say a nob or mega nob unit.

If he was a "sargent" type character and costed like 80 points I would consider him, as is, there is just no justification for his codex entry except for the cool pic lol. Also his metal model is FRIGGING awesome. I dont think they make him in finecast yet. It's too bad he completely sucks in game. Anwyway, try him out a few times. Remember he tests at Mob Rule leadership for psychic tests. Maybe you will get lucky. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4117152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4117152.page GMT Re:1500 orks to beat IG ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4117851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4117851.page GMT 1500 orks to beat IG thanks .... h.

HQ
Ghaz
KFF w/kombi-scorcha

TROOP
30 Boyz (+ nob w/PK&BP)
30 Boyz (+ nob w/PK&BP)
5 Nobz (Painboy, Waaagh Banner & BC, PK&BP, BC&BP, BC) - IN TRUKK (R-Ram, Armor Plates, & Grot Riggers)

ELITE
13 Lootas
15 Kommandos (+ snikrot & 2 burnaz)

FAST ATTACK
2 Deffkoptas (TLRL & BzS)
Deffkopta (TLRL & BzS)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4120394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4120394.page GMT Re:1500 orks to beat IG
Big Meks get a Burna which is better than a Skorcha as you can use it as a power weapon in assault if you haven't fired it the turn before (not that you want your Big Mek assaulting...). Also, it's not Kombi so you can always use it as a burna. But that said, I wouldn't really bother unless you are going to put him in with the Nobs and use the burna from the trukk

Next - the trukk. This is going to be SUPER easy to kill and with Ghazzy (if he's not with the Kommandos), the KFF, and Nobz (i.e. you hammer unit) inside it is going to be priority no 1). And even with the KFF giving you a 4+ cover, IG shoot soooo much, it will get through and your nobz, ghazzy and BM KFF and going to have to walk like everyone else. Now if you get a ramshackle into your opponent, this won't be a problem as you're across the board and in assault range, but don't rely on this as it only happens 33% of the time and even then, the direction won't go your way. Trukks work best in Spam armies (6 trukks with 11 boyz and a PK, BossP, 'eA Nob). That way, too many to shoot and 6 PowKs. Otherwise, not so hot as they have armour 10. You can also throw in Bikes, NobBs, DeffKs and Buggies in this list and really get your speed freak on. That said, I think BWs are MUCH better (14 FA and 19 Boyz +Nob) and Nobs can take them as designated transports.

I've found three separate units of 1 Deff Kopta work best. More targets to shoot at. No chance a DeffK will simply run off the board (it will die instead sure, but only after it's done something either on scout or outflank). And having three separate units means the IG player will have to shoot one more unit at them making your Boyz, Nobz and Lootas a little more survivable. I'd also make a call on whether you go with RokkitLs or BuzzSaws. YMMV, and the option may be good, but 25 points is a lot on a unit that will die. And after you've alpha struck your IG friend, it won't work again.

30 Man Boyz mob are good fun, but agree with your friend on movement early on. Measuring each one will take WAY too much time.

And lastly, Lootas are great. Get them in cover and watch your friend cry as you massacre his light armour.

All up, I'd take 6 Killa Kans for 4+ cover for your boyz as they march across the board and use the KFF to give the Kans 4+ too (aka the Killa Kan wall list), but that would mean dropping either the Kommandos or Lootas (or scaling them down), But putting RokkitLs on them means you can glance Leman Russ's with 6s. Otherwise, assault with the Nobs and Pen on a 6 (ahh S9 on the charge is my friend).

Good luck with it

Mike]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4140353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4140353.page GMT 1500 orks to beat IG http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4141596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4141596.page GMT 1500 orks to beat IG IG is easy just get your side to his side asap, punch his armor assult boys = win. If you want a fun list that'll work vs most armies go speed freak get to your target as as you can, even if 1/2 of your mech makes it = bad day for ig. Ehhh tips kommandos are scrary but if he's expecting it just have hvy flamers at the rdy even if you get a mech kill off. Bigger lists i'd say sure. Get the boys from a to b, i'd drop all your hq's go for big mechs and trucks/wagons, get them rockets and pc, your orks you dont need flamers vs ig just assult them to death. Your lootas are there just either stun their armor or

If you only ever play vs that 1 guy and that's it then whatever goes. If you play a shop or random people tailoring will get you losing often or people will stop playing you. A thought drop Ghaz and get 2 wagons or drop the boys to 20's and 3 wagon!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4143175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4143175.page GMT 1500 orks to beat IG

Played today & I won (my first official win!) 13 kp to 7. Deffkoptas we're great killing or stopping shooting 3 out of 4 tanks 1st turn.

Ghaz, Snikrot, & Kom-Krew took out command squad, a sentinel, and a heavy weapons squad... then ghaz left the squad and killed (totally dead) Yarrick!

First time using KFF, and I can see why its so awesome now! Made my boyz survive long enough to take out Yarricks body guard.

Lootas in two squads we're great, took out a squad, a vendetta, and half another squad.

Finally, nobz in trukk killed the other sentinels (with help from a wrekking ball!) before being killed off by reserve storm troopers.

Thanks for the help folks!

h.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4150181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/441081/4150181.page GMT