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				<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/06/us-usa-crime-martin-nbc-idUSBRE83502B20120406" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/06/us-usa-crime-martin-nbc-idUSBRE83502B20120406</a><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>NBC probe centers on staffer in shooting story error<br />  Thu, Apr 5 2012<br /> By Christopher Francescani and Peter Lauria<br /> <br /> (Reuters) - An internal NBC News probe has determined a "seasoned" producer was to blame for a misleading clip of a 911 call that the network broadcast during its coverage of the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to two sources at the network.<br /> <br /> NBC News brass interviewed more than half a dozen staffers during its investigation of the misleadingly edited 911 call placed by George Zimmerman just before he shot the unarmed Florida teenager, said the sources, one of whom is an executive at the network.<br /> <br /> The clip aired on the network's flagship "Today" morning show last week.<br /> <br /> The edit made it appear that Zimmerman immediately told police that Martin was black, when, in fact, the full tape reveals that the neighborhood watch captain only did so when responding to a question posed by a dispatcher.<br /> <br /> There was no clear indication on Thursday of what, if any, disciplinary actions would be taken against the producer or other staff involved in the incident.<br /> <br /> The sources at the network, who declined to identify the producer, said NBC News executives did not know the 911 call was misleadingly edited until news reports surfaced days later on right-leaning blogs including Newsbusters.org and Breitbart.com.<br /> <br /> "IN SHOCK"<br /> <br /> The sources described the producer's actions as a very bad mistake, but not deliberate.<br /> <br /> NBC News declined to comment on Thursday. The network said on Tuesday it would not release names of the employees involved. It has apologized for the incident.<br /> <br /> One of the sources said that NBC News President Steve Capus would not lose his job over the incident.<br /> <br /> The Today show's editorial control policies - which include a script editor, senior producer oversight, and in most cases legal and standards department reviews of material to be broadcast - missed the selective editing of the call, said the NBC executive.<br /> <br /> Executives have vowed to take rigorous steps to formalize editorial safeguards in the news division following the incident, one of the sources said.<br /> <br /> NBC News staffers who have been working on the Trayvon Martin story for several weeks in Florida were at first "in shock" over the incident, and later furious, another source, who is an NBC producer, told Reuters.<br /> <br /> Public pressure has been building on the network to fully explain the incident - which critics charge has inflamed racial tensions in an already volatile situation.<br /> <br /> On Thursday, a New York Post editorial characterized the edited 911 call as "pretty damning evidence of willful misconduct by NBC News" and suggested that racial violence could ensue over irresponsible news coverage.<br /> <br /> Television news veterans in New York said they were baffled over how the error came to be broadcast given the intense vetting such a sensitive story would normally get at a major network such as NBC.<br /> <br /> Executives from parent company Comcast Corp, including Chief Executive Brian Roberts and Chief Operating Officer Steve Burke, who doubles as the CEO of NBC Universal, are not involved in the investigation, two sources inside the network said.<br /> <br /> NBC's Today - which has dominated the U.S. morning landscape for more than a decade - is currently in a ratings war with ABC's Good Morning America, which has been picking up viewers.<br /> <br /> (Reporting By Christopher Francescani and Peter Lauria; Editing by Paul Thomasch and Martin Howell; Desking by Jackie Frank)</div></blockquote>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So we still have no idea what actually happened then?<br /> <br /> Nom]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Grand jury next week. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Good Good, i'll actually try and keep up to date with what happens.<br /> <br /> Nom]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ As will many. I wonder if this is a potential riot situation. Should I put the wiener dog legions on alert? ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yes, yes you should. <br /> <br /> If anywhere else riots bristol will start, any escuse for a good old riot.<br /> <br /> Nom]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>As will many. I wonder if this is a potential riot situation. Should I put the wiener dog legions on alert? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If there was going to be a riot it would have happened by now.  I wouldn't worry unless zimmermann goes on trial, then get cleared of all charges.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> so because zimmermann didn't mention race until prompted, what exactly does that change in the case?  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well one can never have enough portable flatscreen TVs. RIOT!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Means that race wasn't the primary motivator?<br /> <br /> Nom<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>Well one can never have enough portable flatscreen TVs. RIOT!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm in. Can we loot pet shops? like those badasses in london did?<br /> <br /> Nom]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>nomsheep wrote:</cite>Means that race wasn't the primary motivator?<br /> <br /> Nom<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Not necessarily, only zimmermann can answer that.  Just because he didn't lead with "some black guy in a hoodie"  doesn't mean that wasn't the reason he was following him.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>nomsheep wrote:</cite><br /> I'm i. Can we loot pet shops? like those badasses in london did?<br /> <br /> Nom</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Good point.  Team Wienie and Rusty the Tiger are supportive of this idea.   <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>nomsheep wrote:</cite><br /> I'm i. Can we loot pet shops? like those badasses in london did?<br /> <br /> Nom</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Good point.  Team Wienie and Rusty the Tiger are supportive of this idea.   <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'll prepare the hamster rioting team at once   <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>sirlynchmob wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>nomsheep wrote:</cite>Means that race wasn't the primary motivator?<br /> <br /> Nom<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Not necessarily, only zimmermann can answer that.  Just because he didn't lead with "some black guy in a hoodie"  doesn't mean that wasn't the reason he was following him.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And no-one sane is going to openly admit that in court.<br /> <br /> Nom]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>nomsheep wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>nomsheep wrote:</cite><br /> I'm i. Can we loot pet shops? like those badasses in london did?<br /> <br /> Nom</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Good point.  Team Wienie and Rusty the Tiger are supportive of this idea.   <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'll prepare the hamster rioting team at once   <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>sirlynchmob wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>nomsheep wrote:</cite>Means that race wasn't the primary motivator?<br /> <br /> Nom<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Not necessarily, only zimmermann can answer that.  Just because he didn't lead with "some black guy in a hoodie"  doesn't mean that wasn't the reason he was following him.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And no-one sane is going to openly admit that in court.<br /> <br /> Nom</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Right, so this 911 tape changes nothing.  even if the grand jury tries to get it to trial, Zimmermann is going to walk as the stand your ground law is so broadly written.  <br /> <br /> prosecutor:  "did you feel threatened?"<br /> zimm:  "Yes"<br /> prosecutor: "right off you go then, have a nice day."  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(484);'>IT</span> HAS NOTHING <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> DO WITH THAT LAW. UNDER COMMON LAW SELF DEFENSE IF <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(604);'>HIS</span> STORY IS HELD <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> BE FACTUAL HE HAS A VALID CLAIM AND I DON"T KNOW WHY I"M SHOUTING MAYBE ITS BECAUSE I <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span> WORKING ON A FREAKING HOLIDAY.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It could tip things in his favour as juries could be sympathatic with him due to the medias cock-up.<br /> <br /> Nom<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(484);'>IT</span> HAS NOTHING <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> DO WITH THAT LAW. UNDER COMMON LAW SELF DEFENSE IF <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(604);'>HIS</span> STORY IS HELD <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> BE FACTUAL HE HAS A VALID CLAIM AND I DON"T KNOW WHY I"M SHOUTING MAYBE ITS BECAUSE I <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span> WORKING ON A FREAKING HOLIDAY.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Where are you going?<br /> <br /> Nom]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>prosecutor: "did you feel threatened?" <br /> zimm: "Yes" <br /> <b>prosecutor: "Why?"<br /> zimm: "because he had me pinned down and  bashing my head into the concrete."</b><br /> prosecutor: "right off you go then, have a nice day." </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Corrected your typo.  <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>nomsheep wrote:</cite>It could tip things in his favour as juries could be sympathatic with him due to the medias cock-up.<br /> <br /> Nom<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(484);'>IT</span> HAS NOTHING <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> DO WITH THAT LAW. UNDER COMMON LAW SELF DEFENSE IF <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(604);'>HIS</span> STORY IS HELD <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> BE FACTUAL HE HAS A VALID CLAIM AND I DON"T KNOW WHY I"M SHOUTING MAYBE ITS BECAUSE I <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span> WORKING ON A FREAKING HOLIDAY.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Where are you going?<br /> <br /> Nom</div></blockquote><br /> See my post just after.  Oh and Team Wiener said that they'll meet the hamster brigade behind the dumpster of Petsmart. You go high and they'll go low, because dude they're wiener dogs, they only do low.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And hamsters do both so it's a fool-proof cunning plan. That way the hamsters can avoid being ratted by the weiner dogs at the same time.<br /> <br /> nom]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>nomsheep wrote:</cite>And hamsters do both so it's a fool-proof cunning plan. That way the hamsters can avoid being ratted by the weiner dogs at the same time.<br /> <br /> nom</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Very prudent. Wiener dogs are a fickle breed. Not particularly bright either, but arrogant. When I bring Rusty from Houston, TBone like's to use his belly as a recliner when we are all on the sofa.  Rusty hates this.  As Rusty outweighs him by 10x and tried to eat TBone for stealing his rib bone a short period of time ago, this is not the most brilliant move in the world. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It's like a terrifing cat and mouse game. <br /> <br /> Nom]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I have to say, thats pretty gakky what that producer/exec guy did. Im sure that will change the feelings many have on this whole thing. What a fething douche bag]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>Im sure that will change the feelings many have on this whole thing. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Or more likely people will filter it in the same way that they do with everything:<br /> <br /> "Does this fit into the way that I want to view the world"<br /> <br /> Yes - Take the information on board and use it against those who are "wrong"<br /> <br /> No - Ignore it and deny its relevance/existance/etc /claim it is some kind of conspiricy/etc]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Dammit Silver, stop taking my sunshine away!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>SilverMK2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>Im sure that will change the feelings many have on this whole thing. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Or more likely people will filter it in the same way that they do with everything:<br /> <br /> "Does this fit into the way that I want to view the world"<br /> <br /> Yes - Take the information on board and use it against those who are "wrong"<br /> <br /> No - Ignore it and deny its relevance/existance/etc /claim it is some kind of conspiricy/etc</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> We need to listen to the tape before and after edits.<br /> <br /> If the producer chopped a bit out to shorten the run time it might not make any difference to the overall impression. If he moved the order of things around, it looks like deliberate falsification.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>sirlynchmob wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>As will many. I wonder if this is a potential riot situation. Should I put the wiener dog legions on alert? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If there was going to be a riot it would have happened by now.  I wouldn't worry unless zimmermann goes on trial, then get cleared of all charges.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> so because zimmermann didn't mention race until prompted, what exactly does that change in the case?  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> At which point, just as in the L.A. Riots, those that don't have guns will wish they had them.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>sirlynchmob wrote:</cite><br /> prosecutor:  "did you feel threatened?"<br /> zimm:  "Yes"<br /> prosecutor: "right off you go then, have a nice day."  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nLJ8ILIE780?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't think NBC handled this correctly.<br /> <br />  I think the apology was the right thing to do, don't get me wrong, but it would have been better to have simultaneous delivered the apology and announced five to a dozen firings related to it. It really doesn't matter if it was malice or incompetence, it was a major blunder that hurt their brand very publicly and they should own up to it. That means the 2012 equivalent of public beheadings (fired publicly with no parachute). The counterpart to integrity is accepting consequence.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Hazardous Harry wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>sirlynchmob wrote:</cite><br /> prosecutor:  "did you feel threatened?"<br /> zimm:  "Yes"<br /> prosecutor: "right off you go then, have a nice day."  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nLJ8ILIE780?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/></div></blockquote><br /> Ha!  That clip was easily the most awesome thing about this thread.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ouze wrote:</cite>I don't think NBC handled this correctly.<br /> <br />  I think the apology was the right thing to do, don't get me wrong, but it would have been better to have simultaneous delivered the apology and announced five to a dozen firings related to it. It really doesn't matter if it was malice or incompetence, it was a major blunder that hurt their brand very publicly and they should own up to it. That means the 2012 equivalent of public beheadings (fired publicly with no parachute). The counterpart to integrity is accepting consequence.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If news personnel were fired for lying, there would be no one in the news business.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><blockquote class="uncited"><div>prosecutor: "did you feel threatened?" <br /> zimm: "Yes" <br /> <b>prosecutor: "Why?"<br /> zimm: "because he had me pinned down and  bashing my head into the concrete."</b><br /> prosecutor: "But looking at the 911 tape, you have no wounds on your head anywhere. At least no serious wounds that would indicate your head was "bashes" into concrete if you were fighting for your life. What did Martin do, lightly slap you with his glove?" </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Corrected your typo.  <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Corrected your typo.  <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(484);'>IT</span> HAS NOTHING <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> DO WITH THAT LAW. UNDER COMMON LAW SELF DEFENSE IF <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(604);'>HIS</span> STORY IS HELD <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> BE FACTUAL HE HAS A VALID CLAIM AND I DON"T KNOW WHY I"M SHOUTING MAYBE ITS BECAUSE I <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span> WORKING ON A FREAKING HOLIDAY.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It has to do with the law because with stand your ground the prosecutors and judges are much more likely to make a determination not to even charge the guy.  The rate of "justifiable homicide" is way up in FL since the passage of the law.<br /> <br /> Hope you're having a good holiday weekend. Best to the wife and kids.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>BuFFo wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ouze wrote:</cite>I don't think NBC handled this correctly.<br /> <br />  I think the apology was the right thing to do, don't get me wrong, but it would have been better to have simultaneous delivered the apology and announced five to a dozen firings related to it. It really doesn't matter if it was malice or incompetence, it was a major blunder that hurt their brand very publicly and they should own up to it. That means the 2012 equivalent of public beheadings (fired publicly with no parachute). The counterpart to integrity is accepting consequence.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If news personnel were fired for lying, there would be no one in the news business.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><blockquote class="uncited"><div>prosecutor: "did you feel threatened?" <br /> zimm: "Yes" <br /> <b>prosecutor: "Why?"<br /> zimm: "because he had me pinned down and  bashing my head into the concrete."</b><br /> prosecutor: "But looking at the 911 tape, you have no wounds on your head anywhere. At least no serious wounds that would indicate your head was "bashes" into concrete if you were fighting for your life. What did Martin do, lightly slap you with his glove?" </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Corrected your typo.  <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Corrected your typo.  <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Might want to uncorrect that typo. ABC News had the video of Zimmerman at the PD station enhanced and there are marks on the back of his head as if his head was banged into something hard.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-video-shows-injury-back-head-161816389--abc-news-topstories.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-video-shows-injury-back-head-161816389--abc-news-topstories.html</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think the irresponsible producer should be fired. Editing that tape was fairly inexcusable knowing the tension that already existed at the time.<br /> <br /> GG]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>BuFFo wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ouze wrote:</cite>I don't think NBC handled this correctly.<br /> <br />  I think the apology was the right thing to do, don't get me wrong, but it would have been better to have simultaneous delivered the apology and announced five to a dozen firings related to it. It really doesn't matter if it was malice or incompetence, it was a major blunder that hurt their brand very publicly and they should own up to it. That means the 2012 equivalent of public beheadings (fired publicly with no parachute). The counterpart to integrity is accepting consequence.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If news personnel were fired for lying, there would be no one in the news business.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><blockquote class="uncited"><div>prosecutor: "did you feel threatened?" <br /> zimm: "Yes" <br /> <b>prosecutor: "Why?"<br /> zimm: "because he had me pinned down and  bashing my head into the concrete."</b><br /> prosecutor: "But looking at the 911 tape, you have no wounds on your head anywhere. At least no serious wounds that would indicate your head was "bashes" into concrete if you were fighting for your life. What did Martin do, lightly slap you with his glove?" </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Corrected your typo.  <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Corrected your typo.  <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> So, is there a standard measurement for how big a cut you have to have on your head to justify defending yourself? Check out the enhanced footage, he's got quite a bit more than I'd put up with.<br />  <br /> Also, it's not like he could SEE the damage and say "ah that's just a scratch, you sweet little Skittle eating gangsta, Off ya go then!" . Since head wounds bleed so badly anyway, a wound half the size of the one he sustained would provide enough blood to fear for your life. Especially if it felt like fighting back was the only way it wasn't getting worse.<br /> <br /> Looks like NBC got caught trying to make the case worse than it appears. This is why I don't watch the news. It makes uninformed idiots wave signs around whilst wearing hoodies.<br /> <br /> Looks like Flatscreen prices will plummet in the next six months. At least in FLA.<br /> <br /> "No Justice, Free Flatscreens!"]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This whole case is no different than any other murder.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The biggest issue I have is we will never know the kids side of things....<br /> <br /> I honestly think the situation was:<br /> 1) Zimmerman got "suspicious" and started following Martin.<br /> 2) Martin noticed Zimmerman following him and felt "threatened".<br /> 3) Martin turned to confront Zimmerman, which resulted in Zimmerman feeling "threatened".<br /> 4) Zimmerman drew his gun to "Stand his ground".<br /> 5) Martin saw the gun and also "Stood his ground"....<br /> <br /> Since we have neither Martin's version of events, nor any other information that effectively counters Zimmerman's version....<br /> I don't see them prosecuting.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I agree, though the exact sequence may have been slightly different.<br /> <br /> I suspect any ancillary evidence will have become completely muddied by the passage of time since the incident.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>generalgrog wrote:</cite>I think the irresponsible producer should be fired. Editing that tape was fairly inexcusable knowing the tension that already existed at the time.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> He'll most likely be promoted.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>dogma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>generalgrog wrote:</cite>I think the irresponsible producer should be fired. Editing that tape was fairly inexcusable knowing the tension that already existed at the time.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> He'll most likely be promoted.</div></blockquote><br /> Yep.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I have to admit, it was a well played piece of manipulation in that it leads people into a conclusion they want to believe.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>dogma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>generalgrog wrote:</cite>I think the irresponsible producer should be fired. Editing that tape was fairly inexcusable knowing the tension that already existed at the time.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> He'll most likely be promoted.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah the Peter principle...I forgot.<br /> <br /> GG]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ SUpposedly the producer was just fired. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Albatross wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Hazardous Harry wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>sirlynchmob wrote:</cite><br /> prosecutor:  "did you feel threatened?"<br /> zimm:  "Yes"<br /> prosecutor: "right off you go then, have a nice day."  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nLJ8ILIE780?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/></div></blockquote><br /> Ha!  That clip was easily the most awesome thing about this thread.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Tru dat.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It is an interesting case.<br /> <br /> "A grand jury will not look into the Trayvon Martin case, a special prosecutor said Monday"<br /> From here: <a href="http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120409/US.Neighborhood.Watch.Death/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120409/US.Neighborhood.Watch.Death/</a><br /> <br /> So the grand Jury will not look into it, as of right now.<br /> <br /> If the FL Police have enough evidence they will arrest him and book him with something.<br /> <br /> Given the witness testimony that was reported, it does sound like a case of Self Defense but there are so many conflicting stories it is really tough to tell at this point..<br /> <br /> "The witness, known only as John, told Sanford police that he saw Martin on top of George Zimmerman shortly before the fatal shot"<br /> From: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119615/Trayvon-Martin-case-Anonymous-witness-claims-teen-attacked-killer-George-Zimmerman-fatal-shooting.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span>/news/article-2119615/Trayvon-Martin-case-Anonymous-witness-claims-teen-attacked-killer-George-Zimmerman-fatal-shooting.html</a><br /> ]]></description>
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