http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net MEQ style list, but I'm going to make a "horde" list as well that I will post on here too. Here's my first one. Both lists will be 2k, as that's what I like to initially build up to.

Emperor's Champion - 110
-Abhor the Witch

High Marshall Helbrecht - 175
(He will be a staple in all of my lists, since I absolutely love his model and he seems like a real bada** honestly)

Crusader Squad x10 - 270
-Bolt Pistol/CCW x8
-Plasma Gun
-Las Cannon
-Crusader Seals (are these worth it?)
-Frag Grenades
-Rhino
--Extra Armor
--Search Light
--Smoke Launchers

Crusader Squad x10 - 270
-Bolt Pistol/CCW x8
-Plasma Gun
-Las Cannon
-Crusader Seals (are these worth it?)
-Frag Grenades
-Rhino
--Extra Armor
--Search Light
--Smoke Launchers

Crusader Squad x15 - 539
-Bolt Pistol/CCW x8
-Melta-gun
-Bolt Pistol/Powerfist
-Neophytes x5 w/Bolt Pistol/CCW
-Land Raider Crusader
--Searchlight
--Smoke Launchers

Sword Brethren Terminator Assault Squad x5 - 275
-Lightening Claws x2
-SS/TH x3
-Drop Pod
--Deathwind Missile Launcher (Drop Pod w/ Power of the Machine Spirit, I feel DML is a must.)

Predator Annihilator - 184
-TL Las Cannon
-Las Sponsons
-Extra Armor
-Power of the Machine Spirit

Predator Destructor - 164
-TL Autocannon
-Las Sponsons
-Extra Armor
-Power of the Machine Spirit

Total: 1987
So what do you guys think? I'm open to all suggestions since this is my first attempt at an army list for Black Templar.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/442537/4141250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/442537/4141250.page GMT BT is that they tend to get outnumbered quickly due to higher overall cost...

You're gonna find yourself quickly overwhelmed with this list. I would drop a bunch of the upgrades for more numbers:

Lose all of the extra armor upgrades, lose the drop-pod for the termies, lose the neophytes and give the squad a rhino instead. Stick the termies in the LR crusader.
If you truly wanna benefit from Power of the Machine Spirit, I would use it on Vindicators instead where being able to more 12" and drop a S10 pie-plate will be awesome; on the preds it's a meh option since you already have the range anyway. If you only have preds then lose the PotMS upgrades and use the saved points on: more termies (claws or cyclone-launchers with tank-hunters)? a venerable dread with tank hunter?

Look through the forums for competitive BT lists and you'll see what I mean about leaning out the upgrades. One of the popular setups is to get a bunch of standard termies since you can have 2 cyclone launchers per squad. Furious-charge LC termies are very popular too (and efficient!)

Hope this helps. Love the BTs myself (though I play mainly Vanilla). Can't wait for a new codex!

Have fun!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/442537/4141941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/442537/4141941.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/442537/4142193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/442537/4142193.page GMT BT, that being said what kind of horde do you want? An assault horde or a shooty horde? BT can do either and if you have played BT for a while you can do both at the same time. I dont understand your list though, you know BT can take heavy weapons with only 5 guys whats the point of taking 10 or 15? you preditors are fine its a popular load out but for the most effective is 3 Vindicators and 6 landspeeders. Also our droppods are useless we dont have the same rules as vanilla marines so they dont come out on first turn if you are looking for a competitve list for BT check my posts there are some pretty easy competitve lists for BT. just please dont take Lazorbacks]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/442537/4143124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/442537/4143124.page GMT