Eisenhorn wrote:I never like wasing the whole thing like that,much better to do a pinwash with oil.
But way better than oil paint is enamel,thins with the same thinner but dries in hours instead of days.
A wash will be 4 parts paint to 6 pRts thinner
Steaking grime is 7 parts paint to 3 parts thinner
A filter is 7 parts thinner to 3 parts paint.

One other thing you want to use satin varnish not gloss.
Gloss is not porus enough and the wash goes everywhere,the satin gives it a tiny bit of grab.

Redfinger wrote:
About the only time you want to coat an entire model is when you are doing an oil filter. This is a very thin coat of spirits/oil paint applied over the whole model the change the hue or tone of the color. For example putting a blue filter of a red base color will deepen the color.

Redfinger wrote:There is a tutorial in the paint section where someone posted a step by step that I had done at one point with oils, you might find it helpful, here is the link;

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Oil_Washes

Redfinger wrote:@IK-Painter- What is the effect you are trying to acheive with the "wash" I use oils extensivley in my work, and there are very few times in my expereince where I have coated a whole model.

About the only time you want to coat an entire model is when you are doing an oil filter. This is a very thin coat of spirits/oil paint applied over the whole model the change the hue or tone of the color. For example putting a blue filter of a red base color will deepen the color.

Now if what you are trying to do is create dirt effects and general wear and tear, rust effects and other blend type things that you will need to work in a manner simmilar to normal painting. Use the spirits to thin the oil down to a paint like thickness, and then apply, wipe off if done incorrectly.

There is a tutorial in the paint section where someone posted a step by step that I had done at one point with oils, you might find it helpful, here is the link;

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Oil_Washes

Really I would reccomend the Future Floor Polish as a prep clera coat before oils, I usally dont do that any more and just work on flat surfaces, but when you are first starting out it is helpful.

Ashton

Bla_Ze wrote:Just got back from training and stuff.
I have to disagree with about everyone in this thread, if you want use oil paints use white spirit, i once tried thinner (tamiya) and it turned out bad, at least for me.

Tamiya thinner is either Isopropyl alcohol or if it has a yellow cap Lacquar Thinner thats why it did not work with your oil.
Tamiya paint is actually a Lacquer Hybrid that thins with both alcohol and Lacuer Thinner it is called acrylic to they can sell it easier.
For oil you want to use odorless Spirit which they sell at home depot for $5 a quart or you can spend $30 a quart at the art supply.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4195017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4195017.page GMT
However I also understand you don't like it, which is fine and I can see what you want to achieve. Not having played with Oil washes, if you want a controlled wash why not PIN WASH with Acrylics or ready made washes (alternatively make your own). I do this often on my FOW tanks to get more "POP" at smaller scales, as previously alluded to, Satin Varnish allows a bit more of a key for washes to adhere to.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4195065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4195065.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4195796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4195796.page GMT Thanks Bacms from me,my girl is giving you the finger right now though :p]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4199792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4199792.page GMT

Eisenhorn wrote:When I stole a few from my girlfriend the bag said foam triangles
Thanks Bacms from me,my girl is giving you the finger right now though :p

Always a pleasure to help]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4199795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4199795.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4199812.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4199812.page GMT

Kanluwen wrote:Honestly, from what I see in the "after" photo I think it looks pretty dang good.

I agree, looks just fine...but it would seem my standards are quite a bit below the Dakka average. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4200046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4200046.page GMT
The point is that some techniques such as Pin Washing and Oil Washing only work on Varnish. Varnish is not the last step and often Gloss or Satin effects can be countered with a final light coat of Dullcote "MATT Varnish". Varnishing is not necessarily the last step or the end of painting and acrylics can be used on varnished mini's if your are careful and use the Varnish with a good key.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4200180.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4200180.page GMT

mwnciboo wrote:Just as quick note, many people think varnishing is the final step. This is not always the case, many interesting and dynamic effects and painting techniques involve painting over varnish, washing over varnish, and multiple layers of varnish of different type and effect.

The point is that some techniques such as Pin Washing and Oil Washing only work on Varnish. Varnish is not the last step and often Gloss or Satin effects can be countered with a final light coat of Dullcote "MATT Varnish". Varnishing is not necessarily the last step or the end of painting and acrylics can be used on varnished mini's if your are careful and use the Varnish with a good key.

QFT

I often varnish my models several times during the painting process. Just a light coat of Matte Varnish from my airbrush seals in the paint job and can even act as a "save-button" if you make a mistake along the way. And the Matte Varnish has a bit of a tooth, so painting over it can be just as easy as painting over Primer.

Cheers,


IK-Painter]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4200204.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4200204.page GMT QFT here
Especialy when weathering with oils or enamels.
I varnish at every stage to protect the work done,finishing with dullcote]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4201491.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/445095/4201491.page GMT