<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Al'raheim outflanking list "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Al'raheim outflanking list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4224329.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4224329.page GMT Al'raheim outflanking list So basically you need to have a large enough point limit in the first place to make having ~300-400 points of outflankers viable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4224448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4224448.page GMT Re:Al'raheim outflanking list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4224495.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4224495.page GMT Re:Al'raheim outflanking list CCS for the ability to reroll outflank.

Heavy weapons are out on the platoon as they will be moving on and so can't shoot the turn they arrive - mass melta seems to be good, but power blobs with commissars that can get into CC are also worthwhile.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4224532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4224532.page GMT Al'raheim outflanking list HIs command squad, and three infantry squads also in Chimera. He also uses an Astropath to help ensure that they get in early, and where you want them. He occasionally takes a Special Weapon Team or two. He makes the infanty squads go on foot, and places the special weapons teams in two Chimera. The Foot Sloggers move toward objectives, while the Chimera Squads move to soften the objectives up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4224540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4224540.page GMT Re:Al'raheim outflanking list
ruminator wrote:I think only dedicated transports and not vendettas outflank with Al'raheim. I would take an astropath in my CCS for the ability to reroll outflank.

Heavy weapons are out on the platoon as they will be moving on and so can't shoot the turn they arrive - mass melta seems to be good, but power blobs with commissars that can get into CC are also worthwhile.



I've seen Al'Raheim used to set up a secondary fire base. In conjunction with an Astrophath. You spend the turn setting up/ deploying into cover. The blobs still retain they're tar-pit quality while the Heavy Weapons are placed in decent firing lanes. A small platoon can harry players who stick their units in the middle of the table that wait for the outflankers to arrive.

Al'Raheim is also a cheap way to get Armored Fist Squads up the board as well. They're not as effective as Vets, but they're cheaper and can crew a GL/Autocannon for objective camping. Start with a small platoon first; maybe a blob and a couple Armored Fist Squads and test the waters a bit.

Outflanking Melta Blobs just doesn't appeal to me, unless there's aggressive blobs already on the table. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4225213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4225213.page GMT Al'raheim outflanking list
The only serious difference is that al'rahem brings BiD and CC straight to your enemy, rather than having to walk it across the board first. Otherwise, apart form this and that they outflank, they're just a regular infantry platoon, and should be used as such.


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alarmingrick wrote:If you blobbed the squads, wouldn't you lose the Chimera?


You don't have to blob every squad...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4228257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4228257.page GMT Re:Al'raheim outflanking list
alarmingrick wrote:If you blobbed the squads, wouldn't you lose the Chimera?


Why do you think that you would?
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As mentioned, there's nothing that requires you to take blobs. As well, there's nothing that says that if you take a chimera, anything ever needs to ride in it. It just says the platoon outflanks, which would include its dedicated transports.

I mean, you could always take al'rahem's PCS, a 30-man power blob and 4 dual HF chimeras with heavy stubbers and have a flame/ramming fest come in off the board.


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As well, there's nothing that says that if you take a chimera, anything ever needs to ride in it. It just says the platoon outflanks, which would include its dedicated transports.


There is a passus in the rules for outflanking that says: "Note that such units are picked from their army list together with a dedicated transport, they may outflank with their transport, but if they do so they must move onto the table embarked in it."

But apart from outflanking, you are right. Being embarked in a transport is not mandatory at the start of the game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4228632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4228632.page GMT Al'raheim outflanking list
A question for the YMDC forum for sure, but I'd say they can be empty, given the strength of must over may, and the strength of the codex special rule over the general.


Also, it's the same reason you can outflank a priest with al'rahem's platoon. Priests don't have the ability to outflank at all, but they simply must if they're part of the platoon.

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Basically, you make half your army what starts out on the field, and the other half of your army the same thing, except it outflanks. At this points, level, it can be done. With a few valkyries, you could even do an entirely-outflanking guard army.

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KplKeegan wrote:You know what has me a bit curious; if you could use Al'Rahem to issue Like the Wind on a heavy weapons squad that has moved, can they fire and move, considering the rule for the order is that the ordered squad makes a shooting attack?


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I highly doubt it, but if it did indeed let us do this, I would be abusing the out of that every game. The problem is, once a heavy weapon team moves, they cannot fire their heavy weapon. Walking onto the board counts as movement, so they would be unable to use it. They also have a lasgun in their wargear (just one) So what would most likely happen, is you'd issue the order, get to fire 3 lasguns, and then do your extra move. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4231178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/446802/4231178.page GMT Al'raheim outflanking list
It says that they make a shooting attack, but it doesn't say that it ignores the regular restrictions for shooting. In this case, it's used on a heavy weapon squad, which may now make a shooting attack as normal, during which the squad shoots 0 of its weapons, and then the squad gets a free move after.

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