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				<title>Need some feedback about an 1850pts State Tournament list using Vanilla SM... Needs criticism</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Around 1850pts (give or take)<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Khorsarro Khan + Moondrakken<br /> <br /> w/Space marine Bike squad (Troops)(5), Meltagun, Powerweapon<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Chaplain, Jump pack<br /> <br /> T- Tactical squad (10), Lascannon, Meltagun + Rhino<br /> <br /> T- Tactical squad (10) Lascannon, Flamer + Rhino<br /> <br /> T- Tactical squad (10) Lascannon, Flamer<br /> <br /> T- Tactical squad (10) Lascannon, Meltagun<br /> <br /> T- Tactical squad (10) Lascannon, Meltagun + Drop pod<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span>- Assault squad (10) Flamer, Powerfist<br /> <br /> HVY- Thunderfire cannon<br /> <br /> <br /> I Have entered in a few tournaments using vanilla marines, usually at least 4 tactical squads with Vulkan (Usually a meltagun spam), but recently been using khan and plenty of outflankers (The whole army has Combat tactics)... I like to set up the two footslogger units as objective holders, the drop pod squad usually combat squading when they land either as a sudden extra defence unit, using the first half (Meltagun) as a cover for the lascannon, or as a blocking unit for the rest of the army. the two rhino squads either outflank to take objectives or deploy at range as lascannon pillboxes, the assault squad and Chaplain either outflanks, not really fan of deepstrike but rather fond of using them for re-enforcements in reserve for using against <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span>'s as a countercharge for my defence. Khan just outflanks with bikes but may also appear with the Chaplain in the squad as well, Thunderfire just helps pin vehicles, fast assault squads and wittles down larger horde units, techmarine helps provide an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(67);'>IC</span> for the defending <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squads as well as cover save bonus for himself, the cannon and the boys around him... I have used a similar list at 1250pts and it worked well as most of the army contests or holds objectives, is mobile or good at range, and generally my opponents are offput by so many marines and so little tanks as well as the randomness of outflank (2out of 3 aint bad for determining the side entered). I find my power armour saves become quite effective and when mixed with cover saves, my boys usually stand fast with reliability... Rhino pop, so what, it gives the boys cover when they do. Khan and the chaplain are a force on their own, Haven't had any problem with them so far, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(2);'>3d6</span> hit and run move is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(186);'>def</span> a treat when I know its my turn next, usually has people reeling... 5 lascannons is usually enough, I like the str9, that extra point of armour pen helps more often than not. lots of melta, which I'm used to with Vulkan armies.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ major_payne]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You would probably get more replies if you post this in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> army list section, maybe you could get a MOD to move it for you<br /> <br /> <br /> if using khan, would you want to drop out the tactical squads which have no transports for some bike squads instead?<br /> <br /> anyway welcome to dakka<br /> <br /> enjoy your time here]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2012 04:17:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Am contemplating combi melta and meltabombs for chaplain in case he does go with Assault squad, or perhaps a combi-melta for the sergeant in the drop pod squad so that both combat squads can fire a melta shot at separate targets when they deploy... don't really like the one shot wonders as I hate missing with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 3...<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2012 04:18:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ major_payne]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I still think you have way to many points invested in tactical squads, how about a small scout squad to hold a home objective, put them in cover with camo cloaks, free up some points to take some more toys, maybe another thuderfire cannon for redundency. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(274);'>YMMV</span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2012 04:25:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wrong sub-forum. But, welcome to dakka anyway!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2012 04:37:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wrong forum...<br /> <br /> But, hello and welcome to Dakka Dakka!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2012 18:22:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Byte]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Need some feedback about an 1850pts State Tournament list using Vanilla SM... Needs criticism</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Hi,<br /> <br /> You are in the wrong forum for feed back, however welcome to Dakka <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2012 21:45:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Knightley]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi, welcome to Dakka!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 14 May 2012 16:25:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Rampage]]></author>
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