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What, then, is the endgame for humanity? The Golden Throne is slowly decaying. The light of the Astronomican is ebbing. How can humanity prevail?

The answer lies with the Tau Empire. The Tau were originally found by Imperial vessels, which then mysteriously disappeared in a warp storm after reporting their findings, allowing the Tau to develop free from Imperial oversight. The Tau genome appears to have been synthetically modified in order to aid in this rapid growth. What was behind this warp storm? I contend that it was the Emperor himself! After all, the Emperor controls the Astronomican, by which all Imperial ships navigate. He could cause this beacon to falter or guide a ship astray, thus buying time to alter the Tau and let them flourish. Alternatively, the expedition itself might have been "repurposed" by the Emperor and sent to make the modifications directly, then designated "lost in the warp" to prevent the intervention from being discovered.

Regardless of what exact form this action took, it has clearly paid dividends-- the Tau have flourished into an intelligent species, and more importantly a species with access to the phased-warp drive. While in some respects more primitive than the true Warp drive and certainly slower, the phased-warp drive does not expose ships to the perils of the Warp. Thus, warp travel can be made safe without the use of the Webway, as the phased-warp drive can replace the Imperial Webway as the new means of interstellar travel. This all plays in to the original plan of the Emperor, the plan that motivated the Great Crusades-- the plan to abolish religion and establish a society free from supernatural influences and the perils of the Warp. With the technology and doctrine of the Tau, humanity has one last chance to redeem that hope.

The Tau, too, need the help of humanity if they are to survive. Despite their technological advancements, their empire is puny relative to the true powers of the galaxy, and is greatly threatened by Tyranid incursions and Ork raiders. But with the vast forces of humanity aiding them, the Tau Empire could be much stronger than its current state. I therefore call upon the humans of the Imperium to abandon their corrupt masters and join the Greater Good of the Tau Empire! It is, after all, what the Emperor wants of us-- a society free from the perils of warp travel and hence the influence of Chaotic powers.

Some point out that the Tau do not permit human converts to their Empire to continue in their worship of the Emperor, instead demanding loyalty to the Greater Good. While this has not been conclusively established one way or the other, my response to such claims is simple-- so it should be! The Emperor never wished to be worshiped, and indeed worship of the Emperor is what led to the Heresy in the first place. The "Greater Good" that the Tau Empire advocates-- the unity of intelligent beings for the benefit of all and mutual defense against the enemies of all sentient life-- is a far better goal than the worship of a man who not only never asked to be worshiped, but unambiguously crusaded against religion.


One last note-- some claim that the Tau were created by the Eldar, not the Emperor. There are two problems with this theory. First, it isn't clear why the Eldar would create the Tau. Second, the only strong evidence from this comes from the Xenology book, which is dubiously canon. However, if you consider this book canon, then yes, the Eldar were likely behind the creation of the Tau. That said, if you consider this book canon, then the Star Child is real, so the Emperor does not necessarily need a secondary master plan...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276773.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! horus's pet fish.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276802.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! There is one problem that comes to mind, however : The emperor doesn't like xenos.

The Emperor, you have to understand, is the epitomy of human nationalism (specism?); he doesn't trust any xenos, and will only make treaties with them if the net gain is beneficial for humanity. He will not advocate incorporating the human race into an alien empire, whereafter they will have their identities removed and made into virtual drones serving "the greater good."

Also the thing about the Eldar making the tau is dumb; why would a psychic race create a race that has no connection to the warp? It just doesn't seem to be the eldar's style.
And I don't remember anything about a star child in Xenology, nor anything about the Eldar making the tau.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276818.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276818.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
I myself could see the Eldar helping to uplift them a bit. They play the long game and as the Tau do not have much a warp signature they make pretty fine weapons in the long game. After all the Eldar were created to be weapons as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276836.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
CthuluIsSpy wrote:That is actually a very good theory.
There is one problem that comes to mind, however : The emperor doesn't like xenos.


True, but does the same go for Xenos that he may or may not have shaped? Regardless, when it comes to the Chaos Powers or Xenos, Xenos are the lesser of two evils, and the Emperor, despite all his power, doesn't exactly have a ton of options...

CthuluIsSpy wrote:The Emperor, you have to understand, is the epitomy of human nationalism (specism?); he doesn't trust any xenos, and will only make treaties with them if the net gain is beneficial for humanity.


A solution to the warp travel problem would absolutely be beneficial for humanity.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:He will not advocate incorporating the human race into an alien empire, whereafter they will have their identities removed and made into virtual drones serving "the greater good."


First off, I doubt such control mechanisms are in use, though there are certainly arguments to be made for such. That said, if humanity joins the Tau Empire in large enough numbers, the Tau will be unable to exert such direct methods of control, regardless of whether or not they exist-- after all, the Tau would be vastly outnumbered!

CthuluIsSpy wrote:And I don't remember anything about a star child in Xenology, nor anything about the Eldar making the tau.


In Xenology, the "history of the universe" tableau or engraving or whatever shows the Star Child as its final image, and other elements of the work heavily imply that the Eldar took a pheromonal control mechanism from another species and grafted it into Tau biology in order to create the Ethereal caste.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276860.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276865.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
CthuluIsSpy wrote:The Emperor, you have to understand, is the epitomy of human nationalism (specism?); he doesn't trust any xenos, and will only make treaties with them if the net gain is beneficial for humanity. He will not advocate incorporating the human race into an alien empire, whereafter they will have their identities removed and made into virtual drones serving "the greater good."


CthulhuSpy makes a very good point.

Discussion about the will of the Emperor is spotty at best - especially given the number of revisions/re-edits/rewrites he has undergone at the hands of both GW and BL.

However one of the things that has stayed consistent throughout the years is his Apprehension toward the Xenos.

Appearances can be deceiving (especially true for the Emperor), so its left in question how radical he was in this apprehension.

Was he a raving lunatic like Hitler circa 1943 who would not stomach any deviation?

Or was he more suave about it...like Hitler circa 1930s (hint: Look how much of the propertied classes were able to get exemptions from the Nuremberg Laws during this era.).

Depending on your "flavor of Emperor" - you could be looking at Genocidal Madman OR a staunch Pragmatist who would have manuevered any sort of Xenos alliance in favor of his precious humans.


Also the thing about the Eldar making the tau is dumb; why would a psychic race create a race that has no connection to the warp? It just doesn't seem to be the eldar's style.

And I don't remember anything about a star child in Xenology, nor anything about the Eldar making the tau.


Ah, but they seem to have learned a bit too well from their Old One masters... Manipulate and standback in the shadows.

Xenology does have a very strong implicaton that the Eldar took the pherenmonal substances from the Qorl (sp?) and implanted something similar into the Ethereal caste - perhaps as a back up weapon against Chaos?

As for the Starchild business - there's a bit of a Cryptic tablet that points in that direction.

Xenology offers up the account that Some of the Old Ones = The Eldar Gods. How such a transmogrification came about is unknown - but a tablet that remains from the time period points to the surviving "1st Gen" Old Ones who correspond to the symbols used by Ceogorach, Khaine, Isha, and a Child/Fetus.

Some say this is Ynnead the God of the Dead to be Born. Others point to the Emperor given the status of his own birth.

And some make the highly heretical statement that Ynnead=StarChild...

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I can imagine as they have some of the strong elements from all of the galaxys intelegant races as they have the intelegance and tecnical undying loyalty of the necrons, the strengh of will posessed by the eldar and the faith that only a human can posess. these are ultimatley the tools that will defeat chaos.

It also dawns on me that they are awefully similar to the lizard men in thier goals (even if unknown to them at this point) and thier caste system is similar if not a direct take from the lizard men where you are born to be a leader, a fighter, a trader, an engineer or a diplomat and it is verry difficult if not impossible to break these rules.

The reason why i think this is that the emperor must have had equivalants in the Eldar and Necron socity (possibly Ork aswell) who forsaw the eventual victory of chaos and realised that one of them alone could not defeat chaos so they decided to use all thier power to create the race that would ultimatley unite the galaxy and defeat chaos and prevent its return and after that act as a galactic peackeeper to prevent it from ever rising again.

However this leaves one problem, what could possibly have the power to create an entirely new race? this leaves only a few possibilities

1. the C'tan, with the backing of the Eldar, humanity and the Necrons the C'tan would have almost no choice but to spark the tau into existance in a relativley safe corner of the galaxy until they could grow to take thier place in the galaxy

2. Sacrafice, a being of great power would have to sacrafice themselves to create the power nescisary to make this happen (this may well could have been the emperor) however this would have some incredible psycic backlash. if this was the emperor it is more likley to be that he has sacraficed his entire physical being to create the spark but given that his psycic being is a little pre-occypied they have not flourished as well as thay wished

3. Genetic enhancement, as we all know the space marines are heavily geneticly enhanced, but would similar techiques allow an entirely new race to be created. I belive it to not be impossible as the Tau share a surprising amount of physical traits with successfull races across the galaxy and due to thier caste system they are specialised to the task they will take part in. Given that the average tau is the same size as the average human or eldar, they have hooves as they are a sturdier way or standing and are quicker to move with (i cant even explain the face, possibly something with protecting the brain) they also share some minor features simmilar to what i belive a necrotyr would have looked like and for thier size have a verry tough bone structure.

4. Fluke, the race may have been found and since they met the requirements for the master plan they were influenced to follow that path and then accelerated to achive that goal as quickly as possible and then for what ever reason the acceleration stopped or slowed down significantly. thus leaving them where they are today.

TBH this is what i think is the case and is reasonably well informed, there are probably a few holes in this theory but what people need to remember is that this is a theory and not to be taken too seriously.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276872.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276896.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
nomotog wrote:You have to answer how the emperor made the aun. Warpstorms are one thing, but he can't create a new race.


Hunterindarkness wrote:Just want to point out that 6'000 years back the Tau had already evolved. and had not ethereal cast. So unless the Big E could have crafted them while on earth and on life support its a no go.


The Tau certainly weren't created by the Emperor, but modified may be another story...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276913.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Fetterkey wrote:
What, then, is the endgame for humanity? The Golden Throne is slowly decaying. The light of the Astronomican is ebbing. How can humanity prevail?

The answer lies with the Tau Empire.


???

Why would a 1.000.000 worlds strong empire that lasted for 10.000 years wanted to join an empire with 114 worlds that lasted for <3.000 years?
That would be like USA asking to become part of Luxemburg because they cannot withstand economic and social crisis.

And like Ctuhulus said: Emperor hated alien for what they did to Mankidn during the Age of Strife, so this is a big no no....
But interesting theory nonetheless...

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Fetterkey wrote:
The Tau certainly weren't created by the Emperor, but modified may be another story...


He has not been able to modify anything in the last 10'000 years. As the Tau were modified in the last 5'000 years or so, it puts him out of the running. If he had this power, he would have used it on Humans not some Xeno scum.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276940.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Fetterkey wrote:
nomotog wrote:You have to answer how the emperor made the aun. Warpstorms are one thing, but he can't create a new race.


Hunterindarkness wrote:Just want to point out that 6'000 years back the Tau had already evolved. and had not ethereal cast. So unless the Big E could have crafted them while on earth and on life support its a no go.


The Tau certainly weren't created by the Emperor, but modified may be another story...

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How did he modify them? He would need to reach into the physical world to effect the tau unless you can think of another way for him to influence them?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276950.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4276950.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Brother Coa wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:
What, then, is the endgame for humanity? The Golden Throne is slowly decaying. The light of the Astronomican is ebbing. How can humanity prevail?

The answer lies with the Tau Empire.


???

Why would a 1.000.000 worlds strong empire that lasted for 10.000 years wanted to join an empire with 114 worlds that lasted for <3.000 years?
That would be like USA asking to become part of Luxemburg because they cannot withstand economic and social crisis.


The point is not the strength of the Tau. The point is the technology of the Tau. Mankind benefits from the Tau's technology, the Tau benefit from mankind's martial prowess.

nomotog wrote:How did he modify them? He would need to reach into the physical world to effect the tau unless you can think of another way for him to influence them?

Hunterindarkness wrote:He has not been able to modify anything in the last 10'000 years.


But he can communicate with his servants, and has done so on multiple occasions. Perhaps the Explorators who found the Tau were repurposed to modify the Tau, and merely recorded as lost. Perhaps instead the Explorator teams were indeed misguided in the warp, and other agents were sent to accomplish the alterations. If the warp currents that blocked access to the Tau were created by the Emperor, he could presumably also guide a chosen few through.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277592.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277592.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! OP.


What are the Tau (specifically the Ethereals) views on the God-Emperor?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277598.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
As far as how the Tau would view the Emperor the Fire Warriors would probably respect what he did as a Warrior but pity him for his foolishness in letting his men turn against him. The Ethereals...they would probably respect his ideals as far as how to build an empire although I don't think they would ever go to the extent of creating super enhanced Tau to fight for them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277653.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Yes, but the xenos-hating imperium would much more likely invade then and steal their weapons and try to recreate or experiment on them instead of allying with them. And i'm pretty sure the imperium would'nt be above capturing a few tau and making them build weaponry..

Interesting theory, but right now it just sounds BS to me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277669.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! IoM. If the Emp had the ability to do craft them he could have made humans as such. They are xeno's and he would have not used resources upon them as he was willing to use human ginny pigs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277698.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Fetterkey wrote:
The point is not the strength of the Tau. The point is the technology of the Tau. Mankind benefits from the Tau's technology, the Tau benefit from mankind's martial prowess.


Then there is no point because Imperium is technologically more advanced then Tau Empire. Why would they want inferior technology?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277881.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! IoM crush and loot what they want, they don't bargain. By the time the IoM found the tau, Tech was on the decline. No one could reach the Tau for 6, 000 years.


Brother Coa wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:
The point is not the strength of the Tau. The point is the technology of the Tau. Mankind benefits from the Tau's technology, the Tau benefit from mankind's martial prowess.


Then there is no point because Imperium is technologically more advanced then Tau Empire. Why would they want inferior technology?


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Hunterindarkness wrote:Yeah I am not buying the Tau were crafted by anyone in the IoM. If the Emp had the ability to do craft them he could have made humans as such. They are xeno's and he would have not used resources upon them as he was willing to use human ginny pigs.


The Emperor *did* craft superior elements humanity-- they were called the Space Marines. But once he was installed on the Throne, it would be very difficult for him to carry out a project like that within his own territories, especially since such a project would ironically be decreed a heresy by certain elements of the Inquisition. Similarly, the Adeptus Mechanicus hold too much of a stranglehold on Imperial technology for the Emperor to advocate new technological developments, as such are controlled by other factions. For the Emperor to embark in a new project, it would ironically have to be accomplished outside the Imperium proper.

Brother Coa wrote:Then there is no point because Imperium is technologically more advanced then Tau Empire. Why would they want inferior technology?


The Tau gravitic drive, despite being roughly 1/5 the speed of the Imperial warp drive, is superior in one key respect-- it is safe and consistent. More importantly, it works without the Astronomican, which is now fading...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4277924.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
The Crusader wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:
The point is not the strength of the Tau. The point is the technology of the Tau. Mankind benefits from the Tau's technology, the Tau benefit from mankind's martial prowess.


Then there is no point because Imperium is technologically more advanced then Tau Empire. Why would they want inferior technology?





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Fetterkey wrote:
The Tau gravitic drive, despite being roughly 1/5 the speed of the Imperial warp drive, is superior in one key respect-- it is safe and consistent. More importantly, it works without the Astronomican, which is now fading...


Imperium have teleporters, superior FTL travel technology, better shields, it is more advanced in field of genetics and cybernetics, it has more advanced AI ( Machine Spirit ), it has more powerful weapons ( Nova Cannon )... The only reason why Tau seem more advanced is because their empire is puny adn they can have same level of technology everywhere and their every trooper can have top of the line gun. While Imperium is spread across entire galaxy and the most advanced technology can be found only on most important worlds ( Mars ), whiel others have to be satisfied with 20'th or pre 20'th century technology.

And as we saw so far fluff can change dramatically, so even if Astronomicon is fading now that may change in the future fluff... That again have nothing to do with technological advancement of the Imeprium and Tau...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278048.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278048.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
And to be honest you can be free to make this kind of story, it can never be 'disproved' as:
- the 40k universe will always be stuck at a quarter to midnight, on the cusp of the doom of mankind, and this will not change.
- the whole ethos of 40k is that all of our best qualities have gone down the toilet, and there is no hope. There is no hero arriving at the last moment to save the galaxy, he might have done but he got stabbed in the back by his mates!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278115.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Instead of asking the Eldar for their permission to use the Webway, he took its power for humanity.

Instead of accepting the temptations of the Chaos Gods, he threw their offers back in their corrupted faces, taking their power for his own.

Instead of uniting a galaxy teaming with alien species under one empire, he crushed all those who stood in the path of the Great Crusade.

The machinations of the Warp are a small price to pay to keep humanity pure.

That's what an insane fanatic would preach before incinerating any Citizen who uttered your claims.

Whilst I don't think the Imperium should join beneath the Greater Good, being just as manipulative as anything the Ecclesiarchy puts out, the time for man to stand alone is over. Chaos rises, new threats emerge, too great for anyone one civilization to face alone. Both would benefit from peaceful cooperation. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278134.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278217.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278217.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
iproxtaco wrote:

Slow but surely, chaos is begin to grow.



I summed it up for ya. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278248.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! This thread is unclean. We must purify it with fire!

GLORY TO THE EMPEROR!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278508.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
AlmightyWalrus wrote: This thread is unclean. We must purify it with fire!

GLORY TO THE EMPEROR!


I've got a better idea - fire the OP out a bombardment cannon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278538.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278538.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
It was the Eldar who sped up the T'au. The Eldar. Not the silly God Emperor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278642.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278642.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Chowderhead wrote:Hi, Chowderhead here, with some excellent news!

It was the Eldar who sped up the T'au. The Eldar. Not the silly God Emperor.


Source?

Doesn't really matter either way. The Emperor didn't do it, and if someone else did it, Tyranids will still nomnom the Tau. Or get chopped up real good by Orks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4278656.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Tadashi wrote:Not in a million years. The Emperor may have been willing to negotiate with xenos, but even if they 'joined' the Imperium, they'd be second-class citizens or Imperial Protectorates forbidden from space travel/space colonization. Humans always come first in the Emperor's eyes.


The Emperor also wanted to eliminate all religion and ban the use of psykers, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Besides, what of the Jokaero?

Chowderhead wrote:Hi, Chowderhead here, with some excellent news!

It was the Eldar who sped up the T'au. The Eldar. Not the silly God Emperor.


Do you have a source for that other than the Xenology book (which I already addressed)?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279044.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279058.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
The theories and hints point towards the Old Ones creating the Tau, namely with the fact that the Eldar (another creation of the Old Ones) felt a "strange protectiveness" towards the Tau. The Warpstorms are something the Old Ones would certainly have been capable of creating.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279067.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Kanluwen wrote:Nobody claims the Eldar "created" the Tau.

The theories and hints point towards the Old Ones creating the Tau, namely with the fact that the Eldar (another creation of the Old Ones) felt a "strange protectiveness" towards the Tau. The Warpstorms are something the Old Ones would certainly have been capable of creating.


Were the Old Ones still around back then? I thought they all died off by the time of the imperium.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279188.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279188.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Chowderhead wrote:Xenology is the source I go from. It's a canon source, contrary to your belief.


Except you can completely ignore the bit about the Hrud being swamp thing and wearing flairs

I thought it was actually quite a cool book, with some nice little nods towards the lesser-known species. It was also the first book to give a hint at how the background for the Necrons would be due to change with the latest codex.. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279196.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Nobody claims the Eldar "created" the Tau.

The theories and hints point towards the Old Ones creating the Tau, namely with the fact that the Eldar (another creation of the Old Ones) felt a "strange protectiveness" towards the Tau. The Warpstorms are something the Old Ones would certainly have been capable of creating.


Were the Old Ones still around back then? I thought they all died off by the time of the imperium.

I'm sure there were one or two left, the Old Ones as a power might have died off but it could easily be waved away as being like the Ancients in the Stargate series.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279224.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279224.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Fetterkey wrote:
The Emperor *did* craft superior elements humanity-- they were called the Space Marines. But once he was installed on the Throne, it would be very difficult for him to carry out a project like that within his own territories, especially since such a project would ironically be decreed a heresy by certain elements of the Inquisition. Similarly, the Adeptus Mechanicus hold too much of a stranglehold on Imperial technology for the Emperor to advocate new technological developments, as such are controlled by other factions. For the Emperor to embark in a new project, it would ironically have to be accomplished outside the Imperium proper.




Well he kinda failed with the SM's and again hated Xeno's. There are thousands of human worlds outside the law of the IoM, hell there are Thousands of worlds inside the IoM that have not been visited in thousands of years. If he could pull something like this off, it would not have been on hated xeno scum.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279254.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! IoM are protecting the tau. Think of all the crusades that are launched half funded and recalled right at the point of victory. The IoM is either massively incompetent, or someone in high command really likes the tau. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279260.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
nomotog wrote:It's not completely far fetched that elements of the IoM are protecting the tau. Think of all the crusades that are launched half funded and recalled right at the point of victory. The IoM is either massively incompetent, or someone in high command really likes the tau.


Yes it is. Because of where the Tau Sept Worlds are located, most Crusades often run into bigger issues like Orks, Tyranids, or Chaos. Until the Tau get a fair shake of a fluff update in their Codex, their on a lower rung in the priority-ladder of the Imperium, which is fine.

I believe that the Tau are the last creations of the Old Ones that are destined to do things of great importance. Their lack of presence in the Warp (sorry Mankind), Farseer Eldrad of Ulthwe seeing good things in their future, and the overall feeling that the Eldar sees them as Naive younger siblings.

Maybe the Tau will be a considerable threat to Chaos in the future, who knows?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279531.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! IoM has bigger fish to fry. At this time the Tau are not really a threat, in a 1'000 years they might be but right now they are pests, to swat Evey now and then and ignore.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4279786.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Chowderhead wrote:Xenology is the source I go from. It's a canon source, contrary to your belief.


Ah, so Tau have feet instead of hooves and some random bounty hunter can kidnap an Ethereal from a Tau planet and escape?

Hunterindarkness wrote:Well he kinda failed with the SM's and again hated Xeno's. There are thousands of human worlds outside the law of the IoM, hell there are Thousands of worlds inside the IoM that have not been visited in thousands of years. If he could pull something like this off, it would not have been on hated xeno scum.


But the Imperial structure has gone rogue, and only vaguely serves the Emperor. Many of his original decrees have been disregarded, and many the Emperor's purported servants act contrary to his will. The Inquisition, for instance, is fragmented and factionalized. To undertake such a project within the Imperium would ironically expose it to destruction from humanity's purported protectors, while to do so elsewhere would allow for a clean slate and would be easier to shield from meddling.

One other important note is that the Emperor's personality is split into many sub-minds, which he uses to accomplish a great number of tasks at once. The sub-minds, however, are not always aware of the actions of other components of the whole. It doesn't seem too far-fetched to claim that at least some of the Emperor's personalities would be willing to entertain the idea of working with Xenos, especially in this sort of desperate situation. Humanity has worked with Xenos before, and not just in uneasy alliances with the Eldar-- the Jokaero, for instance, are seen as so useful that they are worth working with, despite being extremely close to (and some would say over) the line of tech-heresy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280082.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280121.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Hunterindarkness wrote:Yeah the IoM has bigger fish to fry. At this time the Tau are not really a threat, in a 1'000 years they might be but right now they are pests, to swat Evey now and then and ignore.


This, they are a backwater race, what you might get if GW decided to make a codex for the Rak'Gol or maybe some other race thrown out there for the sake of variety. They have been pestering the IoM only because they do not realize/want to realize the true scale of it, and that it is the only thing keeping the galaxy from go to hell (quite literally perhaps). And the notion about their society being better is BS, the Imperium keeps its own sort of "natural selection" life is tough, but the individuals that posses qualities more so than their peers will achieve more and distinguish them selves achieving higher rank and there for right place in the structure of the IoM while retaining individuality and diversity which is humanity's greatest advantage. The faith in the God Emperor of Man Kind while not something he initially intended is what empowers Him and keeps their souls connected to his via the psychic imprint left by the peoples' worship in the warp and keeps their souls from falling to/empowering chaos.
The Tau are suppose to be a "breath of fresh air" in the 40k universe, not a major player. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280136.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!

That seems to be the 40k galaxy life cycle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280181.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
KplKeegan wrote:
nomotog wrote:It's not completely far fetched that elements of the IoM are protecting the tau. Think of all the crusades that are launched half funded and recalled right at the point of victory. The IoM is either massively incompetent, or someone in high command really likes the tau.


Yes it is. Because of where the Tau Sept Worlds are located, most Crusades often run into bigger issues like Orks, Tyranids, or Chaos. Until the Tau get a fair shake of a fluff update in their Codex, their on a lower rung in the priority-ladder of the Imperium, which is fine.

I believe that the Tau are the last creations of the Old Ones that are destined to do things of great importance. Their lack of presence in the Warp (sorry Mankind), Farseer Eldrad of Ulthwe seeing good things in their future, and the overall feeling that the Eldar sees them as Naive younger siblings.

Maybe the Tau will be a considerable threat to Chaos in the future, who knows?



This.
Man this is a really good way of looking at the Tau. The idea that the Tau were created by the Old Ones is a good idea because the Old Ones aren't dead, they simply fled from getting killed. And I believe this was after the Warp had been tainted by Chaos, so realizing this the decided to make a new race that was semi-warp resistant. And yes the Eldar did say that he was proud of them. He says they ave the power and will to surpass them all if I recall correctly.

It still really bugs me that the new rumors are saying that the IoM created the Tau. If this is true I will have lost all faith in GW because I don't see how they can make these seem logical.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280183.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Adding to that, there's no such thing as canon in 40k. Personally, I believe that Malice/Malal or Necoho & Zuvassin had a field day with the Tau during the six millennia of warp-storms that kept the Tau locked off. Creating a race that is highly resistant to Chaos seems exactly the sort of thing that Necoho would do... or perhaps Zuvassin, changing the plans some other powerful being had for them.

Chaos puppets, all of them, just not pawns of the Great Four.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280209.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280209.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Fetterkey wrote:

One other important note is that the Emperor's personality is split into many sub-minds, which he uses to accomplish a great number of tasks at once. The sub-minds, however, are not always aware of the actions of other components of the whole. It doesn't seem too far-fetched to claim that at least some of the Emperor's personalities would be willing to entertain the idea of working with Xenos, especially in this sort of desperate situation. Humanity has worked with Xenos before, and not just in uneasy alliances with the Eldar-- the Jokaero, for instance, are seen as so useful that they are worth working with, despite being extremely close to (and some would say over) the line of tech-heresy.


The theory in the OP is nice...at a first look. Then realizing the holes kicks in.
The vision we get to know, was a humanity free of alien oppressors, free of AI controlling everything. So Big E's plans are focused on his own
home-team, not the league and who he could add to win. If he wanted an ally, HE'd choose a potent one.
The one he may have met before, the necrons. A force of order, of unity. A potent supplier of tech. Able to bring another million worlds to this
'alliance'. Sadly the loyality protocols are deleted..... a reactivation of them, now towards Big E' himself...


Yori wrote:
The Tau are suppose to be a "breath of fresh air" in the 40k universe, not a major player.




]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4280298.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Fetterkey wrote:
Tadashi wrote:Not in a million years. The Emperor may have been willing to negotiate with xenos, but even if they 'joined' the Imperium, they'd be second-class citizens or Imperial Protectorates forbidden from space travel/space colonization. Humans always come first in the Emperor's eyes.


The Emperor also wanted to eliminate all religion and ban the use of psykers, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Besides, what of the Jokaero?


They're an Imperial Protectorate. Even then, contact is limited to official personnel and the rare Rogue Trader. Trade and such is heavily-regulated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281025.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281076.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! alliance with the freaking Imperium of Man. I mean, seriously?

But back to the OP, I think it is very interesting and I think there are some really convincing hints. I definitely think we don't know the whole story. But it boils down to heresy, plain and simple. To suggest that the Emperor would place xeno scum above humanity? Impossible. And it is definitely stated that the Tau enslave their "allies". At least in BL. Specifically in the Last Chancers book, Kill Team or whatever.

Just think about the terminology. The Tau have auxiliaries. Secondary help. And those auxiliaries are lower in Tau society than the Tau themselves, plain and simple. The Emperor would never let that happen.

In any case, there are easier ways for the Imperium to get Tau tech, as stated before. The Imperium might stomp the Tau and take whatever. Or they could go for a sneakier route. In the Eisenhorn series, humans manage to get ahold of the most sacred text of the Saruthi. The very most sacred text. Combine that with limited collaboration with the Eldar and it all points to the Imperium being able to obtain tech peacefully. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281106.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
hellspawn22 wrote:
And it is definitely stated that the Tau enslave their "allies". At least in BL. Specifically in the Last Chancers book, Kill Team or whatever.


And here, Hellspawn has successfully summarized the general state of affairs between BL and GW. :sigh:

For once it would be nice if they actually staked a position on something...


In any case, there are easier ways for the Imperium to get Tau tech, as stated before. The Imperium might stomp the Tau and take whatever. Or they could go for a sneakier route. In the Eisenhorn series, humans manage to get ahold of the most sacred text of the Saruthi. The very most sacred text. Combine that with limited collaboration with the Eldar and it all points to the Imperium being able to obtain tech peacefully.


Well the trend in the literature (be it GW or BL) points to rather "low-key" unofficial gatherings that have occurred between the Imperium and the Tau on matters of mutual interest - ie: The Tyranids are coming and going to eat us all!

Much of this is handled literally sector by sector, or planet by planet. Its not completely out of the question for minor technology transfers to occur...

..that is until the Mechanicus get wind of it. Although, a review of their literary sources shows many factions interested in Xenos tech....to be purified and codified of course along the lines of AdMech's theological/doctrinal commitments.



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Get me my Tank.....

not 100% but i think the Emperor was on his throne before the Tau was found. that and he doesn't like Xenos anyways.



Besides....

and niether am I]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281428.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281459.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281459.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
skronk wrote:I totally would. Sign up my guard! We all want pulse rifles!


Heretic. Besides, it's easy enough to outfit a couple hundred thousand fire wrriors with those, but billions upon billions of guardsmen? I don't think so. Anyway, I like my trusty flashlight, especially when supported by Basilisks and tanks that don't break as fast as Tau armor does.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281630.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! IoM world that has turned to the Tau and been integrated would have no issue churning out pulse rifles.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281658.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
hellspawn22 wrote:And it is definitely stated that the Tau enslave their "allies". At least in BL. Specifically in the Last Chancers book, Kill Team or whatever.


And elsewhere in BL and GW it is definitely stated that the Tau don't enslave their allies. For instance, in the book "For the Emperor," the Tau are shown to be a largely benevolent faction, in conflict with local Imperial forces thanks primarily to the manipulation of outside powers. Overall, this is a major inconsistency in the fluff; that said, regardless of whether the Tau do or don't enslave their allies at present, they would not be able to maintain such strict control if the forces of humanity joined the Tau in large numbers. There simply aren't enough Tau to maintain such control over the masses of humanity!

hellspawn22 wrote:In any case, there are easier ways for the Imperium to get Tau tech, as stated before. The Imperium might stomp the Tau and take whatever. Or they could go for a sneakier route. In the Eisenhorn series, humans manage to get ahold of the most sacred text of the Saruthi. The very most sacred text. Combine that with limited collaboration with the Eldar and it all points to the Imperium being able to obtain tech peacefully.


There are more reasons to side with the Tau than just their current technology, though. The paradigm of the Greater Good is a better one for humanity than the corrupted and debased form of the Imperial Creed that is currently practiced. Further, the Tau will continue to innovate far faster than the Mechanicus, so Tau technology will allow for faster development of new advances.

Basically, it all comes down to this: what does the Emperor hate more? Organized religion and the warp, or consorting with Xenos? It's my view that consorting with Xenos is the lesser of two evils. Note also that the Tau are held to be unusually, suspiciously human-like...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281800.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281820.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Fetterkey wrote:
Basically, it all comes down to this: what does the Emperor hate more? Organized religion and the warp, or consorting with Xenos? It's my view that consorting with Xenos is the lesser of two evils. Note also that the Tau are held to be unusually, suspiciously human-like...


Taking the standard line from GW.....Maybe.

This is the inherent problem with trying to take the viewpoints held by an individual in the 31st century and project them into the 41st.

That is of course if his stated viewpoints are his actual viewpoints (courtesy of Graham Mcneill for that one).

But putting aside the "We cannot know the Mind of the Emperor" truism - yes its true he could have very well changed his mind.

Or grown more radical/xenophobic.

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hellspawn22 wrote:
skronk wrote:I totally would. Sign up my guard! We all want pulse rifles!


Heretic. Besides, it's easy enough to outfit a couple hundred thousand fire wrriors with those, but billions upon billions of guardsmen? I don't think so. Anyway, I like my trusty flashlight, especially when supported by Basilisks and tanks that don't break as fast as Tau armor does.


Of course, that would be before their crews had been liquified, inside their armored coffin from a well placed Rail Gun shot. The only advantage your Gue'la Armor stands a chance against our might is through numbers. Our superior use of Seeker Missiles and A.I. Sentience would crush you otherwise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4281857.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
KplKeegan wrote:
hellspawn22 wrote:
skronk wrote:I totally would. Sign up my guard! We all want pulse rifles!


Heretic. Besides, it's easy enough to outfit a couple hundred thousand fire wrriors with those, but billions upon billions of guardsmen? I don't think so. Anyway, I like my trusty flashlight, especially when supported by Basilisks and tanks that don't break as fast as Tau armor does.


Of course, that would be before their crews had been liquified, inside their armored coffin from a well placed Rail Gun shot. The only advantage your Gue'la Armor stands a chance against our might is through numbers. Our superior use of Seeker Missiles and A.I. Sentience would crush you otherwise.


Right. We've got tanks to spare. couple of thousand of 'em in fact. And the troops to throw on your pesky pulse rifles.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4282109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4282109.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
skronk wrote:I totally would. Sign up my guard! We all want pulse rifles!



Bolters are much better.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4282135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4282135.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Fetterkey wrote:
Note also that the Tau are held to be unusually, suspiciously human-like...


They are?

I'd sooner hook up with an Eldar rather than to one of those blue-skinned, fish-faced freaks. Ignoring the height, pointy features, and psychic abilities, Eldar are pretty much juiced-up Humans. They even act the same way Humans do. The Tau don't even have a nose, or a fifth finger.

Which is more Human, this:


Or this:


I think I'm sticking with the wisdom of the Old Ones and going with our elder cousins, the Eldar. Off-universe, I've practically fallen in love with the beauty and elegance of Eldar females, and it's a shame that the virtually identical attitudes of our two races prevent any meaningful cooperation.

KplKeegan wrote:
hellspawn22 wrote:
skronk wrote:I totally would. Sign up my guard! We all want pulse rifles!


Heretic. Besides, it's easy enough to outfit a couple hundred thousand fire wrriors with those, but billions upon billions of guardsmen? I don't think so. Anyway, I like my trusty flashlight, especially when supported by Basilisks and tanks that don't break as fast as Tau armor does.


Of course, that would be before their crews had been liquified, inside their armored coffin from a well placed Rail Gun shot. The only advantage your Gue'la Armor stands a chance against our might is through numbers. Our superior use of Seeker Missiles and A.I. Sentience would crush you otherwise.


For every tank you destroy and every Guardsman you kill, a million stand ready to take their place. Not to mention Space Marines, Titans, Skitarii, Praetorians, Secutors. Did I mention Ordinatii? Or the Holy Sisters for that matter?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4282349.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4282349.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
And as for the benefits of the Greater Good vs. the Imperial Creed? That's all opinion. The greater good is pretty okay, but it has a lot of flaws as it expands. I reckon if you gave it 10,000 years and an galaxy-spanning empire to cater to, it might start to become a little darker. And even ignoring that fact? For Mankind. All the way. The Imperial Creed has a lot to it, but boil it down and you've got just a few basics: Worship the Immortal Emperor and fight for Humanity and the right of Man to rule the galaxy. That's the team I'm on. Warp take your Greater Good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4284358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4284358.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
hellspawn22 wrote:
And as for the benefits of the Greater Good vs. the Imperial Creed? That's all opinion. The greater good is pretty okay, but it has a lot of flaws as it expands. I reckon if you gave it 10,000 years and an galaxy-spanning empire to cater to, it might start to become a little darker. And even ignoring that fact? For Mankind. All the way. The Imperial Creed has a lot to it, but boil it down and you've got just a few basics: Worship the Immortal Emperor and fight for Humanity and the right of Man to rule the galaxy. That's the team I'm on. Warp take your Greater Good.


The Greater Good has many similarities to the Imperial Truth, and we all saw how that turned out. The Emperor failed to take into account Mankind's need to believe in something greater than itself, leading to the Horus Heresy, which is probably why He made no effort to stop the rise of the Ecclesiarchy. The Imperial Truth was already dead during the latter part of the Heresy, with Malcador and the newly-formed Inquisition working under the Emperor's orders. How long until the Ethereals make the same mistake? How long until a Chaos Cult/s takes root in the Tau Empire and rots it away? Tolerance and understanding don't work in 40k. Even the arrogant Eldar would agree with 'lowly' Humans on this matter. The Emperor wouldn't have made the Tau to continue His dream because His dream was killed on His orders. Sorry, but I'm sticking to the Imperium, ave Imperator.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4284846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4284846.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Tadashi wrote:The Emperor wouldn't have made the Tau to continue His dream because His dream was killed on His orders. Sorry, but I'm sticking to the Imperium, ave Imperator.


The Emperor's personality is fragmented. Part of it could be attempting to maintain the status quo while part of it develops secret projects to attempt to move to a better state of affairs-- indeed, the Inquisition War trilogy directly supports this claim. Thus, it's entirely possible that the Emperor is both attempting to maintain the Imperium as it stands and attempting to foster the Tau as a potential replacement paradigm for mankind.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4285661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4285661.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4285679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4285679.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Just no.

I have no real reason, I just hate this idea oh so very much, in the same way I hate crossover fan fictions. It just shouldn't be done.

No.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4285690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4285690.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Never.

With all the points raised against you, your points become more and more far-fetched and ridiculous.

As others have said,

No]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4285716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4285716.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Fetterkey wrote:
Tadashi wrote:The Emperor wouldn't have made the Tau to continue His dream because His dream was killed on His orders. Sorry, but I'm sticking to the Imperium, ave Imperator.


The Emperor's personality is fragmented. Part of it could be attempting to maintain the status quo while part of it develops secret projects to attempt to move to a better state of affairs-- indeed, the Inquisition War trilogy directly supports this claim. Thus, it's entirely possible that the Emperor is both attempting to maintain the Imperium as it stands and attempting to foster the Tau as a potential replacement paradigm for mankind.


Actually, no. The Emperor's fragmenting soul still believes in Mankind's manifest destiny to rule the stars - but, there's the catch. They're not complete. A spirit is missing: "...the spirit of goodness and compassion we cast of ourselves..." When the Emperor obliterated Horus, He cast that spirit out, becoming the Star Child. The Emperor knows this, which is why He and His fragmented soul wasn't surprised when Draco told Him about the Illuminati and the Ordo Hydra - the Illuminati may believe themselves undetected by the Emperor, but the Emperor knows who they are and what they're planning - He probably planned the same thing the moment He was hooked up to the Throne. You think if the Emperor is reborn He would submit to the Tau? Of course not. A massive reorganization of the Administratum, centralization of the Inquisition, rewriting/re-codifying of the Imperial Creed, Adeptus Mechanicus, and Codex Astartes will take place, but the High Lords/Council of Terra will retain governance of the Imperium and the "Humans-first" policy will still be upheld.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4286133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4286133.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
I have no doubt that if he would awaken, the 'project' would be thrown out and mankind would enter a age of new order, involving a lot of genocide. But at the moment it would make sense to keep an outwardly friendly (at least in the context of 40k ) pet species to be used.

The technology thing seems a decent argument because as i understand it, most attempts to improve things are considered heretical by the IoM. The point is not whether Tau are technologically superior now, but that they would have the means and motivation to surpass IoM eventually.

I don't know enough about fluff to really say I agree/disagree for sure, but i think Fetterkey is making some good points, and in light of huge opposition is actually arguing his point quite well!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4286243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4286243.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! Oh yes, it will...
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4286626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4286626.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Daedricbob wrote:Mighty Tzeentch created the Tau. It may not seem likely right now, but it will...
Oh yes, it will...


Everything suddenly makes sense, lol. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4286644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4286644.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Tadashi wrote:Actually, no. The Emperor's fragmenting soul still believes in Mankind's manifest destiny to rule the stars


Certainly it does, but parts of it may attempt to resolve that issue by different means.

Tadashi wrote:You think if the Emperor is reborn He would submit to the Tau? Of course not.


No, but I could easily see mankind joining the Tau Empire, then rising up and bringing it down from within upon the Emperor's return.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4289959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4289959.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Fetterkey wrote:[
Tadashi wrote:You think if the Emperor is reborn He would submit to the Tau? Of course not.


No, but I could easily see mankind joining the Tau Empire, then rising up and bringing it down from within upon the Emperor's return.


Over the Imperium's dead body.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290014.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Tadashi wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:[
Tadashi wrote:You think if the Emperor is reborn He would submit to the Tau? Of course not.


No, but I could easily see mankind joining the Tau Empire, then rising up and bringing it down from within upon the Emperor's return.

.


The Emperor would just launch a crusade and crush the tau through force. There is no need to take it down from the inside, 114 worlds held by a technologically inferior xenos race is nothing to the imperium. and large crusades spanning hundreds of worlds like the sabbat worlds crusade are something the imperium is quit familiar with, and would no doubt end in success.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290031.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290031.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! imo. Haters are always gonna hate though. It certainly can't be proven until the new edition comes out, but even after it does it certainly could not be disproven. However, such out of the box thinking or anything that isn't pro IMPERIAL GLORY is wasted on the simple minded members of the dakka community. Their inferior minds and closed conservative view points just can't comprehend something of this magnitude. It is really true for a majority of the 40k community, which is the prime reason why I do not believe something like this is going to be incorporated by GW. So even though it is one of countless add ons to the universe that would make perfect sense and is quite good writing, it is far to radical for these simple minded folk.

The only differing viewpoint I have on the matter, if this were to be true, is that I do not believe the Emperor altered or created the Tau in any way. Some one before pointed that the time frame would be a little tricky, but I just do not like the idea of it or see it as a possibility. What I personally think would make more sense is that thousands of years ago the Emperor merely observed the Tau, ran tests or whatever, and saw potential. Then before anything could be done on the matter the HH happened and boom we are where we are now. It isn't to far fetched to think that there would be at least one race who is immune to chaos, I mean orks and nids technically are. They happen to just be a sophisticated one. An that doesn't mean humanity has to integrate into their society. That is something that seems way to radical, especially with the current mindset and differing views of both Empires. An alliance with gradual coexistence seems much more probable, and better for both societies.

People with different opinions that you are not necessarily "simple minded." Please don't engage in this kind of rhetoric because it is rude and against our rules.

Thanks ~ Manchu]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290622.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290622.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
darkcloud92 wrote:Those are some nice theories developed, certainly believable imo. Haters are always gonna hate though. It certainly can't be proven until the new edition comes out, but even after it does it certainly could not be disproven. However, such out of the box thinking or anything that isn't pro IMPERIAL GLORY is wasted on the simple minded members of the dakka community. Their inferior minds and closed conservative view points just can't comprehend something of this magnitude. It is really true for a majority of the 40k community, which is the prime reason why I do not believe something like this is going to be incorporated by GW. So even though it is one of countless add ons to the universe that would make perfect sense and is quite good writing, it is far to radical for these simple minded folk.

The only differing viewpoint I have on the matter, if this were to be true, is that I do not believe the Emperor altered or created the Tau in any way. Some one before pointed that the time frame would be a little tricky, but I just do not like the idea of it or see it as a possibility. What I personally think would make more sense is that thousands of years ago the Emperor merely observed the Tau, ran tests or whatever, and saw potential. Then before anything could be done on the matter the HH happened and boom we are where we are now. It isn't to far fetched to think that there would be at least one race who is immune to chaos, I mean orks and nids technically are. They happen to just be a sophisticated one. An that doesn't mean humanity has to integrate into their society. That is something that seems way to radical, especially with the current mindset and differing views of both Empires. An alliance with gradual coexistence seems much more probable, and better for both societies.


You really ought to read up on the Emperor's background. Sure, He wanted Chaos defeated, but even before He became Emperor He had the Humans-first policy up and running for Himself. Besides, His plan to defeat Chaos was centered around the Imperial Truth, and creating/influencing a non-Chaos touchable race makes no sense when you consider that the ultimate goal of His plan was to accelerate Mankind's evolution into a psychic race. He might have considered cooperation/non-aggression or even perhaps assimilation with regards to the Eldar, but that was only because of their knowledge regarding Chaos and the Webway, not to mention their physical and mental similarities would have made them more comfortable working with unlike other xenos. Like everything else they were going to be a means to an end, in this case fighting Chaos and helping conquer/explore/rebuild the Webway, or maybe even help develop/improve psychic technology; depending on how it turned out, they would either have been betrayed and destroyed or assimilated into the Imperium.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290650.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! Honestly though, I think the Tau were created by chance just like humans, but the tau evolve more rapidly and are immume to the warp. They are also a very peaceful species that is against any religion and supports unity between species, making them the ultimate saviours of the galaxy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290705.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290711.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
xkiwitimex wrote:They are also a very peaceful species that is against any religion and supports unity between species, making them the ultimate saviours of the galaxy.

The Tau are not peaceful. They are infact a every aggressive and expansionist species. Nor are they immune to the Warp. An argument could be made for them to be resistant to Chaos (although they still have free will, as evidenced by Farsight, and as such could choose ot join Chaos if they so wished; propaganda and a lack of knowledge prevents them, not any innate immunity), but they are still effected by Psychic abilities and exposure to the Warp itself. If a Tau is thrown into the Warp, he will not live very long.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290756.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
xkiwitimex wrote:
Honestly though, I think the Tau were created by chance just like humans, but the tau evolve more rapidly and are immume to the warp. They are also a very peaceful species that is against any religion and supports unity between species, making them the ultimate saviours of the galaxy.


Are you asking the Tau to repeat the miscalculation of atheism? The Tau Empire is willing to include Humans, who have an implicit desire to believe in something greater than themselves. Like the Imperial Truth, the Greater Good just isn't going to stand up in the face of Chaos and the daemons of the Warp. You know this. In the end, the Emperor Himself recognized that He miscalculated, and Lorgar and Magnus were right - Mankind needed religion to fill the spiritual void and yearning in Mankind, and Mankind needed to know in order to fight Chaos. And Tau are NOT immune to the Warp. Sure, they have a low profile, but that doesn't stop them from getting hit by psychic powers/sorcery, and they can still be possessed (probably) by daemons if witches/sorcerers make a conscious/serious effort to do so. In fact, I suspect that somewhere in the Gue'vasa world, Tzeentchian/Slaaneshi cults are lurking in the shadows, content and reveling in the knowledge that the Tau Empire is unwittingly helping them stay clear of Imperial attention.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290854.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4290854.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
darkcloud92 wrote:Those are some nice theories developed, certainly believable imo. Haters are always gonna hate though. It certainly can't be proven until the new edition comes out, but even after it does it certainly could not be disproven. However, such out of the box thinking or anything that isn't pro IMPERIAL GLORY is wasted on the simple minded members of the dakka community. Their inferior minds and closed conservative view points just can't comprehend something of this magnitude. It is really true for a majority of the 40k community, which is the prime reason why I do not believe something like this is going to be incorporated by GW. So even though it is one of countless add ons to the universe that would make perfect sense and is quite good writing, it is far to radical for these simple minded folk.


I think you are overestimating the sophistication and open mindedness of imperial society. the society the imperium has created is super conservative and closed minded. They are like the peasants in the dark ages, they wouldn't know or care if something was better for them. That's why the imperium has no chance of joining the tau. Even if all humanity benefited, the power of the imperial church and the imperial culture simply doesn't allow for it.

They hate xeno's with a religious zealotry and actually believe they are the equivalent of the devil. They are not going to side with them!
Regardless of weather it is irrational or not the imperium is simply not capable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4291456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4291456.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
CthuluIsSpy wrote:The Emperor, you have to understand [...] will not advocate incorporating the human race into an alien empire, whereafter they will have their identities removed and made into virtual drones serving "the greater good."
Very much this.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4291863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4291863.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
darkcloud92 wrote:However, such out of the box thinking or anything that isn't pro IMPERIAL GLORY is wasted on the simple minded members of the dakka community. Their inferior minds and closed conservative view points just can't comprehend something of this magnitude. It is really true for a majority of the 40k community, which is the prime reason why I do not believe something like this is going to be incorporated by GW. So even though it is one of countless add ons to the universe that would make perfect sense and is quite good writing, it is far to radical for these simple minded folk.


Dude, chill out. I really don't think you can actually accuse me and others who like the Imperium of being "close-minded" with "inferior minds". We've got different opinions on a matter. That doesn't make us idiots, and I don't think you're justified in insulting us or the 40k community at large. I'm simple-minded just because I like the Emperor and the Imperium of Man? That I'm interested in something that in-universe is outrageously conservative doesn't mean I am. It's entirely fictional and I think it's cool. That doesn't make me an idiot. Yes, I can comprehend the theory. But I think 3 pages of debate have provided plenty of evidence as to why that theory isn't necessarily correct. Just because I disagree doesn't make me simple-minded. To be plain, it reflects rather poorly on you that you judge everyone who disagrees with you as unintelligent. Especially over a fictional political entity. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293018.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293140.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293140.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293148.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
hellspawn22 wrote:
darkcloud92 wrote:However, such out of the box thinking or anything that isn't pro IMPERIAL GLORY is wasted on the simple minded members of the dakka community. Their inferior minds and closed conservative view points just can't comprehend something of this magnitude. It is really true for a majority of the 40k community, which is the prime reason why I do not believe something like this is going to be incorporated by GW. So even though it is one of countless add ons to the universe that would make perfect sense and is quite good writing, it is far to radical for these simple minded folk.


Dude, chill out. I really don't think you can actually accuse me and others who like the Imperium of being "close-minded" with "inferior minds". We've got different opinions on a matter. That doesn't make us idiots, and I don't think you're justified in insulting us or the 40k community at large. I'm simple-minded just because I like the Emperor and the Imperium of Man? That I'm interested in something that in-universe is outrageously conservative doesn't mean I am. It's entirely fictional and I think it's cool. That doesn't make me an idiot. Yes, I can comprehend the theory. But I think 3 pages of debate have provided plenty of evidence as to why that theory isn't necessarily correct. Just because I disagree doesn't make me simple-minded. To be plain, it reflects rather poorly on you that you judge everyone who disagrees with you as unintelligent. Especially over a fictional political entity.
Besides, the only race in 40k that isn't outrageously conservative are Orks.

And Orks, as we all know, are awesome.

There is really nothing else to say on the matter.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293418.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293418.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Melissia wrote:
hellspawn22 wrote:
darkcloud92 wrote:However, such out of the box thinking or anything that isn't pro IMPERIAL GLORY is wasted on the simple minded members of the dakka community. Their inferior minds and closed conservative view points just can't comprehend something of this magnitude. It is really true for a majority of the 40k community, which is the prime reason why I do not believe something like this is going to be incorporated by GW. So even though it is one of countless add ons to the universe that would make perfect sense and is quite good writing, it is far to radical for these simple minded folk.


Dude, chill out. I really don't think you can actually accuse me and others who like the Imperium of being "close-minded" with "inferior minds". We've got different opinions on a matter. That doesn't make us idiots, and I don't think you're justified in insulting us or the 40k community at large. I'm simple-minded just because I like the Emperor and the Imperium of Man? That I'm interested in something that in-universe is outrageously conservative doesn't mean I am. It's entirely fictional and I think it's cool. That doesn't make me an idiot. Yes, I can comprehend the theory. But I think 3 pages of debate have provided plenty of evidence as to why that theory isn't necessarily correct. Just because I disagree doesn't make me simple-minded. To be plain, it reflects rather poorly on you that you judge everyone who disagrees with you as unintelligent. Especially over a fictional political entity.
Besides, the only race in 40k that isn't outrageously conservative are Orks.

And Orks, as we all know, are awesome.

There is really nothing else to say on the matter.

ORKS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!

Fixed. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293435.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293440.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Melissia wrote:Not enough green in that post.


ORKS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!

Fixed again!

EDIT: Zog it...can't use size and color at the same time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4293448.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Tadashi wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:[
Tadashi wrote:You think if the Emperor is reborn He would submit to the Tau? Of course not.


No, but I could easily see mankind joining the Tau Empire, then rising up and bringing it down from within upon the Emperor's return.


Over the Imperium's dead body.


Precisely.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4294286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4294286.page GMT 40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
Tadashi wrote:

ORKS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!


Join the awesome instead of the blue-faced...


Fetterkey wrote:
Tadashi wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:[
Tadashi wrote:You think if the Emperor is reborn He would submit to the Tau? Of course not.


No, but I could easily see mankind joining the Tau Empire, then rising up and bringing it down from within upon the Emperor's return.


Over the Imperium's dead body.


Precisely.


Tau aren't even a footnote of history when the Imperium is no more.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4294380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4294380.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4294386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4294386.page GMT Re:40k Heresy: The Emperor wants you to join the Empire... the Tau Empire, that is!
CthuluIsSpy wrote:That is actually a very good theory.
Also the thing about the Eldar making the tau is dumb; why would a psychic race create a race that has no connection to the warp? It just doesn't seem to be the eldar's style.


A race that had seen the dangers of the Warp, who had been screwed over by the Warp, and who had the annihilation of their race brought about by the Warp (and their own greed and blah blah blah)

The Eldar play the long game. A race with no connection to the Warp is all but immune to it's taint (not completely true, but, yeah). What better weapon to use against the Warp?

REVENGE IS AFOOT! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4294456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449427/4294456.page GMT