wpago wrote:If you want so many jump packs why not go DoA

jbsnv wrote:

wpago wrote:If you want so many jump packs why not go DoA

reason bengs is that it deep strikes witch either works wonders or wokrs horrifilcy that everything dies

captain collius wrote:

Ministry wrote:

jbsnv wrote:do the preditors have heavy bolters? if not FIND A WAY TO GIVE THEM HEAVY BOLTERS!!

Heavy bolters are a complete waste unless you are fighting horde armies like Orks or Tyranids. They are expensive and the points are better placed in other units. I always run my preds lean and mean as the bolters only make up their points if you face masses without armor saves.

Unless you are running death company, the Reclusiarch is not a great HQ choice. Go with Mephiston for the best punch or go with a Librarian.

Wrong anything that puts out 6 shots at s5 is worth it. More wound equals More deaths. There will be times where the dice go against you but s happens.

reps0l wrote:Regardless, 1 priest per 2 (full) Assault squads is adequate.

Ministry wrote:

jbsnv wrote:do the preditors have heavy bolters? if not FIND A WAY TO GIVE THEM HEAVY BOLTERS!!

Heavy bolters are a complete waste unless you are fighting horde armies like Orks or Tyranids. They are expensive and the points are better placed in other units. I always run my preds lean and mean as the bolters only make up their points if you face masses without armor saves.

Unless you are running death company, the Reclusiarch is not a great HQ choice. Go with Mephiston for the best punch or go with a Librarian.

mercer wrote:(1)A Librarian is better than a Reclusiarch thanks to unleash rage, the power can be cast in either player's assault phase, unlike the Reclusiarch's power which only works when charging.

(2)Priests do not need power weapons, you never want them in base contact as this is their weakness and you don't want them picked on in close combat.

(3)A single Land Raider is a massive target and a easy one in at a points level this high. You should consider a pair for target saturation and redundancy.

(4)Another unit with redundnacy problems is the Furioso. It's the only unit in a Drop Pod and will come down first turn and be unsupported. You really should drop this unit as it's a weak point in the list.

Hope that helps.

It's my understanding that ICs MUST move into base contact with enemies when charging or getting charged, and with that in mind, I saw it as beneficent to get an additional few power weapon attacks to make it less likely that the priest is attacked back. And the WS5 S5 I5 on the charge isn't bad either.

SgtSixkilla wrote:

reps0l wrote:Regardless, 1 priest per 2 (full) Assault squads is adequate.

In that case, both assault squads must move within 6", which I see as a major draw back. Plus, the priest is waaay too easily killed to only bring one.

Ministry wrote:

jbsnv wrote:do the preditors have heavy bolters? if not FIND A WAY TO GIVE THEM HEAVY BOLTERS!!

Heavy bolters are a complete waste unless you are fighting horde armies like Orks or Tyranids. They are expensive and the points are better placed in other units. I always run my preds lean and mean as the bolters only make up their points if you face masses without armor saves.

Unless you are running death company, the Reclusiarch is not a great HQ choice. Go with Mephiston for the best punch or go with a Librarian.
Like I said in my first post, Librarians (HEEEREEETIIIIICS!!!) won't see active duty in my armies until there's written evidence that the Emperor himself rescinded the edict of Nikea.

mercer wrote:(1)A Librarian is better than a Reclusiarch thanks to unleash rage, the power can be cast in either player's assault phase, unlike the Reclusiarch's power which only works when charging.

(2)Priests do not need power weapons, you never want them in base contact as this is their weakness and you don't want them picked on in close combat.

(3)A single Land Raider is a massive target and a easy one in at a points level this high. You should consider a pair for target saturation and redundancy.

(4)Another unit with redundnacy problems is the Furioso. It's the only unit in a Drop Pod and will come down first turn and be unsupported. You really should drop this unit as it's a weak point in the list.

Hope that helps.

SgtSixkilla wrote:
Numbering added
(1)See above reply.
(2)See above reply.
(3/4)I see your point. I was told the same by my friend Glazgul. I dunno, though. I thought either the furioso would be a distraction from the LR or the other way around. Of course, the opponent could get a lucky shot and take out it's primary concern with one shot, and then focusing the rest of his shots on the secondary, but planning for luck has always seemed rather pointless to me. Two LR/terminator squads are extremely expensive, and would suffer the same problem as the LR/furioso combo. Once one is gone, the other will be the primary target. The opponent could just as well be lucky with it's first shot against the LR as with the furioso. Anyway, neither the LR or Furioso would be unsupported, as such. Once the furioso is on the board, the LR will be all up in yo grill, and once the LR is all up in yo grill, the furioso will be on the table. Plus, you'll have three preds blasting light transports or unsupported scoring units, AND two-and-a-half/three assault squads ready to pounce within the next round. I'm not saying I won't consider what you said, though. I already were. I'm just letting you know my rationale for taking the units that I did.

Chesh wrote:

I agree with points 1 and 2. Furioso can come down behind LoS blocking terrain and survive - it's all a matter of pregaming. Terrain placement and proper deployment will win you more games than not, especially in cases like this.

I don't agree with 3 either - single land raiders are just fine. Most of the "successful tournament lists" I've seen have run a terminator assault squad in a land raider and done quite well with them - and only having one LR.

Chesh wrote:
Librarians aren't heretics!