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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament hrs)" and we have normal FOC for each teammate. We have lots of mech'd MEQ armies, a DE raider spam guy, and a daemon player confirmed going. There may be other IG players, but I doubt it.

So with that said, which list would you rather see your teammate have in a tournament like this between the two I've got below? Tweaks and improvements are appreciated, since I'm trying to make a list that'll help my teammates regardless of what army they have and not get in their way. I've got tons of infantry models, and a good amount of special/ heavy weapons, so I'm good for most weapon switchups. Only thing is I don't have a ton of different vehicles. I've got 3 regular russes and two chimeras (one that can be turned into a griffon) so I can't do a very mech heavy force. Now that that's out of the way, here's the lists.

Infantry/ Leman russ list. Pretty straightfoward. Hold the line and provide fire support. Blobs make for really tough KP's to take and will hopefully take the heat off of my ally's units. I don't care if my guys get stomped as long as my teammate and I win, so I'm prepared to use them to take as much fire off more important targets as possible.

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And the bizarre hybrid list. I feel like this one needs optimizing, but I'm not familiar with using chimeras yet so I'm sure I'm missing something obvious (I've only just now bought my second one) I figured this one gives me a blob to hold home objectives, and some armor that can move up with a teammate so I'm helping out more. And before you say "get more chimeras" I only have two. And there's no way I can get another before the weekend.

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]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281089.page GMT Re:Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281119.page GMT Re:Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament IMHO. I would probably tell you to run something like this:

CCS - (3 Meltas)
Chimera - (Extra Armor)
Veteran Squad - (3 Meltas)
Chimera - (Extra Armor)
Veteran Squad - (3 Meltas)
Chimera - (Extra Armor)
Vendetta - (3 TW Lascannons)*
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Total: 920
* = Outflanking

You can throw the 5 wherever you want it. If you want to clear up more points, run one of the Vets in the Vendetta and drop a Chimera, when they come in Outflanking you can drop them behind an enemy tank and blow the bajesus out of it. If you are lucky (fighting Tau or something) and their tank's butt is right at the back of the board, you may even be able to drop Vets and shoot the Vendetta still!

Either way, you are putting far too much faith in the lowly IS squads. They need to be in blobs of 30-40 with a Commissar to keep them there before you even think of actually fielding one. Even then, they will get ripped apart by anything stronger than them. Other rules of thumb is to never bring the Mortars.

Additionally, you seem keen on mixing Weapons that have 100% different styles of use. The beauty of IG is that you don't have to double duty any of your units because they are so cheap. Having a Lascannon and a Meltagun in the same group is a waste....if anyone is close enough for you to use the Melta you aren't gonna get enough use out of it anyway. You will never catch a vehicle, and you can't move to one without forfeiting your extremely expensive Lascannon. Power Weapons on the Sergs are a waste too unless your in a 30-40 man blob with Comm. Don't bring Lascannons on your LRBTs unless you are running it as a Vanquisher in a pure AT rule. The LRBT is mainly AI and with the Lascannon you are doing your Melta issue all over again.

Second list has all the same problems, but you got close with the Veterans. If you don't like to use the Meltas + Chimera combo (I don't run it because it's stale) I run 2 x Vets w/ 2 x Chims and 3 Flamers in each Vet squad. That is hella fun, than I have 3 Melta Vets inside the Vendetta. Not extremely optimal but.....better than your first two IMO.

When you use Chimeras and LRBTs together, try to flank the LRBTs on either side of your Chimeras to protect your weak armor, as it will increase your survivability. Also, though not very good here Heavy Stubbers are decent as they give you a defensive weapon to fire...and aren't half bad at Str 4 AP 6 3 Heavy.

Hope this helped, not meaning to bash but I wouldn't have much faith in your top list....a bit more in the bottom one but still not enough.

Edit: If you see a lot of Skimmers, the Hydra Flak Tank is not at all a bad choice and negates their 4+ cover save from going flat out. You can watch many Eldar cry with 2 of those on the field.

Edit 2: I saw that you don't have a Vendetta or 3 Chimeras....I would say do the following than:

CCS - (Lascannon/2 Plasma Guns/Master of Ordnance/Vox Caster)
Veteran Squad - (3 Meltas)
Chimera - (Extra Armor)
Veteran Squad - (3 Meltas)
Chimera - (Extra Armor)
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Total: 925

Vox Caster ensures you don't fail your tests. Lay back with BS4 and TW yourself vs Vehicles/Monsters Creatures and put down the hurt. If a Rhino or MEQ get close you can get Fire Rank 1, Fire Rank 2 with your Plasma guns into them. Master of Ordnance or w/e Regimental Adviser you would like...however it is pretty sweet to cast "Take It Down!" and get rerolls on the MoO Scatter Dice so you can always get it down to a standard 2d6 (hopefully while subtracting his WS) making for a pretty sweet LB at 30 points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281134.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament
Any suggestions for a good list to run if all the vehicles I've got are 3 LRBT's and 2 chimeras?

And as for the 20 man blobs, I've had good results with keeping them alive for a long time. I've gotten much better at spreading them out in cover, so they tend to give other guys at the store headaches every time they encounter them. Also, the meltas are there more as a deterrent than anything. I know I'm not catching vehicles with them anytime soon. They're there to keep people from tankshocking me off objectives on turn 5 or 6. I've tried taking them away before, but the moment you do, you get tank shocked like crazy.

I could probably drop the tanks and just go all out foot horde, but the key thing this is a timed tournament, so I'm kind of hesitant to throw a 150 guardsmen on the table. I don't know, I'll have to think about it....

EDIT: 2nd list is interesting. I'd have never thought of bringing 3 leman russes in a 925pts list. Wonder if that would get me kicked out of the store

. I may mess around with this list tonight and see how it handles. Wouldn't be too hard to field and would play very quickly]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281147.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament

MrMoustaffa wrote:I like your suggestions, but there's no way I can field a list like that soon. I only have two chimeras, and a vendetta is pretty far out of my price range at the moment.

Any suggestions for a good list to run if all the vehicles I've got are 3 LRBT's and 2 chimeras?

And as for the 20 man blobs, I've had good results with keeping them alive for a long time. I've gotten much better at spreading them out in cover, so they tend to give other guys at the store headaches every time they encounter them. Also, the meltas are there more as a deterrent than anything. I know I'm not catching vehicles with them anytime soon. They're there to keep people from tankshocking me off objectives on turn 5 or 6. I've tried taking them away before, but the moment you do, you get tank shocked like crazy.

I could probably drop the tanks and just go all out foot horde, but the key thing this is a timed tournament, so I'm kind of hesitant to throw a 150 guardsmen on the table. I don't know, I'll have to think about it....

EDIT: 2nd list is interesting. I'd have never thought of bringing 3 leman russes in a 925pts list. Wonder if that would get me kicked out of the store

. I may mess around with this list tonight and see how it handles. Wouldn't be too hard to field and would play very quickly

Though I imagine you are half joking, you should not get kicked out. You are within your FoC and it is a legit choice. It would be hard to get through, and along the lines of your original post would work VERY well with anybody's army you got teamed with.

Edit: Also if you did not want to field 3 LRBT for the sake of

than you could replace one very easily with 2 x Hydra Flak Tanks. You would have to proxy them, but since GW doesn't even make them (You have to get em from FW if you want em) people at the Tourny should let you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281184.page GMT Re:Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament

CCS - (Lascannon/2 Plasma Guns/Master of Ordnance/Vox Caster)
Veteran Squad - (3 Meltas)
Chimera - (Extra Armor)
Veteran Squad - (3 Meltas)
Chimera - (Extra Armor)
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Total: 925

Vox Caster ensures you don't fail your tests. Lay back with BS4 and TW yourself vs Vehicles/Monsters Creatures and put down the hurt. If a Rhino or MEQ get close you can get Fire Rank 1, Fire Rank 2 with your Plasma guns into them. Master of Ordnance or w/e Regimental Adviser you would like...however it is pretty sweet to cast "Take It Down!" and get rerolls on the MoO Scatter Dice so you can always get it down to a standard 2d6 (hopefully while subtracting his WS) making for a pretty sweet LB at 30 points.

So you would be bringing 20 guardsmen at 925 points? If you have a lot of objective missions, all your troops could be wiped out very easily and you would be of no help to hold any objectives.

Also, FRSRF only works for lasguns, not special weapons.

I think out of all the lists presented so far, your first one with two blobs is the best one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281279.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281279.page GMT Re:Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament

bogalubov wrote:

CCS - (Lascannon/2 Plasma Guns/Master of Ordnance/Vox Caster)
Veteran Squad - (3 Meltas)
Chimera - (Extra Armor)
Veteran Squad - (3 Meltas)
Chimera - (Extra Armor)
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Leman Russ Battle Tank - (Battle Cannon/Heavy Bolter)
Total: 925

Vox Caster ensures you don't fail your tests. Lay back with BS4 and TW yourself vs Vehicles/Monsters Creatures and put down the hurt. If a Rhino or MEQ get close you can get Fire Rank 1, Fire Rank 2 with your Plasma guns into them. Master of Ordnance or w/e Regimental Adviser you would like...however it is pretty sweet to cast "Take It Down!" and get rerolls on the MoO Scatter Dice so you can always get it down to a standard 2d6 (hopefully while subtracting his WS) making for a pretty sweet LB at 30 points.

Each match will have all 3 mission types. I'm not sure exactly how many objectives we'll have in each round (probably will roll for it) but objective grabbing and holding will be important, alongside KP's and board control. I could easily bring a list with nothing but infantry, to maximize board control and let my ally focus on offense. Would that be a viable tactic?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281304.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281304.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament
CCS
autocannon

platton 1
PCS
autocannon
squad 1 autocannon
squad 2 auto cannon

platoon 2
PCS
autocannon
squad 1
autocannon
squad 2
autocannon

3x leman russ battle tank
lascannon

with 40 points to play around with]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281339.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281339.page GMT Re:Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281349.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281349.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament CC unit getting in there and wailing on their AV10 rears. I also know that there will be AT LEAST 3 long fang SW armies, so I have a feeling bringing in only a couple of chimeras would be a bloodbath with all those rocket launchers. However, Long fangs are really not that scary for foot guard (in my experience) as with proper spacing, they were struggling to line up more than two hits at a time. I'm hoping that first list will be a big middle finger and screw with one of the most pivotal units in their list.

Big thing is most of the people I'm playing are mech'd up, transports everywhere. To say that our store plays "transporthammer" would not be an understatement. Since I know there's a good 80-90% chance my teammate will be highly mobile, I'm not as concerned over mobility as I normally would be. My main goal is to mess with guys relying on their rhinos as much as possible, to get myself on an equal footing. Hence lascannons and meltas everywhere. I feel like there's more I could be doing here. Maybe downgrading some lascannons to autocannons and spamming heavy weapons or somethin?

It's also almost guaranteed I'll be playing both with and against guys from our store that made 4th place in the Adepticon team tournament, so these will be hard fought games. So yeah, this will be interesting. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281469.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament pw, 1 commisar, and then some HWS. I've found the best thing about guard recently is that so many people build their lists with loads of AT, but against footguard... congrats, your melta just killed...1 ... freaking... dude. That being said, of the 2 listed, i like the blobs n tanks best.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281524.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281524.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament

androcles138 wrote:Have you given any thought to going pure footguard? They do fairly well locally, and at this points level can help to minimize the "eggs in one basket" that you often end up with in lower points games. something like 3 min sized blobs w/ autocannon, melta, pw, 1 commisar, and then some HWS. I've found the best thing about guard recently is that so many people build their lists with loads of AT, but against footguard... congrats, your melta just killed...1 ... freaking... dude. That being said, of the 2 listed, i like the blobs n tanks best.

You literally just quoted the 3rd list I'm writing right now almost word for word

Yes I tend to play footguard a lot, so I'm familiar with it. Biggest hurdle is learning how to really maximize my advantages over the transport spam in my area, as the guys at my store are no pushovers (like I said, 4 of them made it to 4th place in the team tourney at adepticon, so they will be playing to win) However, if there's anywhere I can make it work, it'll probably be this tournament.

Here's what I've got so far for my foot horde list. Marbo may or may not be staying, and I'm not sold on the MoO either. Dropping them would be an extra 95 points, plus 5 that I can't figure out how to spend, so 100pts extra in total. Any ideas on what to spend that on? I was thinking about finding another 5pts to cut and grabbing some stormies. I could also get a 3rd Infantry squad in the 1st platoon, which would allow me to turn one of my 20 men blobs into a 30 man one. Two 20 men blobs and a 30 would be a nightmare for any army at this points level I'd think, and hopefully would get my opponents to concentrate on me and give my teammate breathing room.

Selections:

+ HQ + (100pts)

* Company Command Squad:Lascannon, Master of Ordnance

+ Elites + (65pts)

* Guardsman Marbo (65pts)

+ Troops + (755pts)

*1st Platoon (265pts)
* Infantry Squad: Lascannon, Meltagun, Commissar w/ Power Weapon, Sergeant w/ Power Weapon
* Infantry Squad: Lascannon, Meltagun, Sergeant w/ Power Weapon
* Platoon Command Squad: Autocannon

*2nd Platoon (490pts)
* Infantry Squad: Lascannon, Meltagun, Sergeant w/ Power Weapon
* Infantry Squad: Lascannon, Meltagun, Commissar w/ Power Weapon, Sergeant w/ Power Weapon
* Infantry Squad: Lascannon, Meltagun, Commissar w/ Power Weapon, Sergeant w/ Power Weapon
* Infantry Squad: Lascannon, Meltagun, Sergeant w/ Power Weapon
* Platoon Command Squad
Autocannon]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281553.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament pcs, give them an AC, Drop MoO (love him, but he makes people focus on the command squad WAY too much), drop marbo. Downgrade 1 platoon from lascannons to ACs, and add in another Las CCS. That'll give you 4 orders per turn, gak tons of transport killing (ACs are king at this IMHO), solid anti- heavy tank, and some solid objective grabbers.

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sorry don't have 'dex on hand, so i can't get points values exactly right. 1 other thing you want to grab with any leftover points you have are Meltabombs. Enemy walkers will mess up footguards' day if they get an assault off on you, it's a fairly cheap insurance policy that'll keep enemy walkers from tying you up impotently all game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281580.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281580.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament

androcles138 wrote:Split second platooon into 2 smaller platoons (you'll face a lot of transport spam, you need to be able to take multiple targets per turn). splitting second platoon into 2 platoons forces you to pick up another pcs, give them an AC, Drop MoO (love him, but he makes people focus on the command squad WAY too much), drop marbo. Downgrade 1 platoon from lascannons to ACs, and add in another Las CCS. That'll give you 4 orders per turn, gak tons of transport killing (ACs are king at this IMHO), solid anti- heavy tank, and some solid objective grabbers.

What do you mean split up second platoon? Doing that makes me take another PCS, which I don't really need in the first place. If you mean splitting them into two seperate 20 man blobs, then don't worry, I"m already doing that. The good thing by keeping 4 squads in a single platoon is that I can choose to make them into a massive 40 man blob, or even split them up into 4 individual squads (not a great idea, but if I had to do it the option is there) I may have to try the mix of autocannon and lascannon blobs. I was focusing on lascannons, but I only have so many, so at some point autocannons will be subbed in. Let me fiddle around a bit and see what it looks like.

However, I like the idea of another CCS, I hadn't even thought of that, and that would fit in very easily with the points I have.

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sorry don't have 'dex on hand, so i can't get points values exactly right. 1 other thing you want to grab with any leftover points you have are Meltabombs. Enemy walkers will mess up footguards' day if they get an assault off on you, it's a fairly cheap insurance policy that'll keep enemy walkers from tying you up impotently all game.

This I might consider as well. I'll save them for last after I'm done spending points everywhere else, but this is a good idea to get rid of a few stray points laying around.

EDIT: Tweaked the list by swapping some stuff around. Now I've got another CCS and another lascannon/melta squad in second platoon, giving me a 30 man blob. Only problem is that in order to fit the points I have to drop all the squads in 1st platoon to AC/GL, which I've never really had work for me. However, maybe with all the orders and shots being poured out this won't be an issue?

Spoiler:

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281607.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament ACs are amazing, but serve a different function than LCs.

So, target priority for ac/gl looks like: transport> skimmer> light infantry> heavy infantry>heavier tanks

whereas LC/Melta looks like: Heavy tank> TEQ> other vehicle> MEQ> other stuff

Now as a guard player i'm going to assume that you already knew all of this, but I always find that it helps to remind myself of it before a tourny.

and TL on AC Platoons= dead transports]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281636.page GMT Re:Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament

bogalubov wrote:

Also, FRSRF only works for lasguns, not special weapons.

FRSRF effects Rapid-Fire. Since the Plasma Gun is Rapid-Fire it does indeed get effected. And yea, I have won objective based games with that many guardsmen. LRBT can make great buffers and rip many lists, along with he will have an ally. *shrug* Than again I'm not a huge tournament player or anything so maybe IDK what I'm talking about or my local meta is different.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4281923.page GMT Re:Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:

bogalubov wrote:

Also, FRSRF only works for lasguns, not special weapons.

Sorry but FRFSRF only works with lasguns. Says so in the order. You might want to go double check your codex. I know that if FRFSRF affected plasma guns too, every guard player and their mom would be spamming plasma as much as possible.

Don't have codex on me but I want to say its either page 31 or 36, whichever one the platoon command squad entry is on. FRFSRF gives you two lasgun shots if your unit didn't move up to 24", and 3 in rapid fire range. It only affects lasguns. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4283310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4283310.page GMT Re:Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament HQ, sort of) and field enough weapons to make Mech armies cringe. While you've written some pretty decent lists, remember that you'll have a partner (who will likely be spamming meltas and power fists) so emphasizing on heavy anti-vehicle isn't needed as much.

Take this little list for example:

Spoiler:

Everything except the Company Command is a scoring unit. The Armored Fist Squads can pump out +12 Shots when sitting still at a reasonable distance, and can throw wounds on units you wouldn't want to waste your Auto Cannons on.

You have a little bit of a points lee way, so you can upgrade a blob with Las Cannons if desired, or sprinkle other upgrades as you see fit...

*Edited ten minutes ago*]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4283372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4283372.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament PCS standards there for? All they do is give you an extra wound in close combat, and wouldnt do much as far as I know. Is there something I'm missing here?

As for why on earth I have so much anti tank, some of my allies may not have much anti tank capability. We have a guy who is bringing his daemons for example. If I was paired with him. I would need to be able to handle the anti armor myself so he can kill whats inside. Plus a little redundancy never hurt

I like the idea for the chimera gun platforms. If I had more that would be a fun list to take and would work well in a situation like this I think.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4284517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4284517.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament IG fluff at all. I don't care how competitive it is, people that play Chimera spam usually only care about winning and not having a good time, which is kinda the point (though winning is still important!). I have zero respect for people who play chimera spam lists.

Go hybrid.

All I can say about your list is i'd go with a 30 man+ combined infantry squad in addition to x2 chimera vet squads, instead of x2 20 man squads. This is because a 30 man+ squad will be much more durable and if you play it right they could just plant on an objective and soak up a lot of damage and can act as a tarpit if necessary. Also that amount of men in a blob usually distracts less experienced players while your other units do the real damage, which is really useful if you like hammer and anvil type strategy.

FH]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4285295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4285295.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament AV hulls to the table is asking to get slapped down.

In a team tourny list you have to look for a list that maintains internal consistency while simultaneously helping your ally, say you go with a hybrid list with 3 hulls, all lrbt. Then when you find out that your ally is playing an all foot list, you're screwed, because now //all// of both opponents AT (cc and ranged) is coming right at you and your lrbts, BA as they might be, are hosed. I've found that in team tournies, as guard, it's all mech or no mech. that being said, YMMV, as your meta may be different than mine.

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though if you were looking for mech, i saw an amazing list in play at the last team tourny i went to. the guy i was paired with was another guard player, who fielded 2 chimera vet squads and 3 3-man armored sentinal squads, with a mounted CCS. 12 hulls in that low points of a game was amazing, but that was specialized]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4285529.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4285529.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament
I chose LRBT's mainly due to the fact that they're so much tougher than most other vehicles we're going to be seeing in a 925pts list. I know they're not invincible, but not many armies will be bringing AV 14 at that points level right? I know to expect Long fang spam, which Leman Russes do a good job at shrugging off as long as I keep front armor facing them. Everything else AT wise that I see at my store usually involves meltas, so as long as I can keep my blobs between my tanks and the enemy I should be ok. Like I said, I want them to be fire magnets that will attract fire that would normally be popping my ally's transports. Since I have no transports of my own, I have to do something to help take the heat off of them I guess.

If it wasn't for the fact that I wanted the LRBT's to attract fire meant for my ally, I'm very tempted to just bring nothing but infantry. As I also mentioned above, over 90 infantry models may be a little overkill in a 2 hour round, and I really don't want to get in the way of my ally. Do you think the latest list I mentioned (one 30 man las/melta blob and two 20 men AC/GL blobs) would work for this? I just keep having this feeling we would go over in time and I would take up too much room on the board for my ally to maneuver...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4285581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4285581.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament gl to deal with swarms, enough melta for the "oh gak they got up in my face" and enough cc tarpit ability to really rob the momentum from the opposition. not to mention that blobs can hold objectives like a mother-fether.

the only thing i would recommend would be see if you can squeeze in a melta-bomb or two. I know i raved about them before, but they really are that good in a pinch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4285676.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4285676.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament AC/GL blobs and having them on the las/melta 30 man blob wouldnt hurt either.

I guess I could drop a squad out of the lascannon blob, buy the meltabombs for the other squads, and then use the remainder for marbo. Not sure how well that would work thoug]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4285784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4285784.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament

MrMoustaffa wrote:one question. what are the PCS standards there for? All they do is give you an extra wound in close combat, and wouldnt do much as far as I know. Is there something I'm missing here?

I've found they really help when you initiate the charge AND get charged by wounded Assault Units. The +1 Doesn't seem much on paper, but it can mean the difference between a tied combat and winning/losing one.

As for why on earth I have so much anti tank, some of my allies may not have much anti tank capability. We have a guy who is bringing his daemons for example. If I was paired with him. I would need to be able to handle the anti armor myself so he can kill whats inside. Plus a little redundancy never hurt

Because the majority of players are fielding Mech, correct? This usually means they're going to eschew long ranged AT for Meltas and Power Fists and Assault Units. The list I made gives them a chance to get there or to assault units already thrown out of their vehicles

I like the idea for the chimera gun platforms. If I had more that would be a fun list to take and would work well in a situation like this I think.

You have two Chimeras right? There's only two of them in the list? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4287647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4287647.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament btw.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4287715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4287715.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament
I'm leaning really heavily towards going foot horde, or at the very least running the first list with the two leman russes. Both seem like strong choices. From here I'm just going to paint up as much infantry as I can and get the russes ready just in case I decide to use them as well. Both lists match the style I like to play, and I think both have potential with this type of game.

I just don't have any of the more fancy vehicles like vendettas and manticores (although I'm sure I could convert one easily) So I'm probably just going to keep things simple and bring as much anti tank and anti-MEQ as I can.

For the foot horde list, everything that can get a heavy weapon will get one. I've got two CCS, so I can split my army up into two groups to hold objectives and still have access to orders, and I can even combine the two 20 man platoons into a massive 42 man blob if I want to just bum rush the enemy or hold an objective no matter what.

With the leman russ list, that's 2 battle tanks with lascannons, and two 20 man lascannon/melta blobs to hold objectives. Russes can hit anything on the table pretty much turn one, and if I get stuck with nightfigting, their searchlights could come in handy. Plus it gives two AV 14 hulls to distract enemy anti tank.

So what do you guys think, the list with 2 leman russes and two 20 man melta/lascannon blobs, or the list with a 30 man melta/lascannon blob, and two 20 man AC/GL blobs that can become a 40 man one.

The leman russ list

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And the foot horde list

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Going to have to run the tank list, as I dont have enough PW sarges to be WYSIWYG for the foot horde list (I was crushed when I realized this.) Since I have everything to run the russ list, it became the defacto choice. I'll edit in the results and how the list did, as well as opinions on what worked and what didnt. Wish me luck!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4298374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4298374.page GMT Which list would you rather be on your side? IG 925pts random team tournament http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4298578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/449654/4298578.page GMT