Trogdor the Burninator wrote:While I agree that Fire Dragons are good at anti-tank, and are cheaper in points than Wraithguard, I don't believe they're stronger necessarily. Wraithguard have higher strength and double the toughness, they also get a better save. I also don't need to be within 6" of an enemy vehicle to get a bonus from the wraithcannons. Speaking of Wraithcannons, they also wound on a 2+, even though they're AP2 instead of AP1, they have auto glances and auto penetrating hits per your roll, rather than hoping you roll 6's to blow up AV 13 or 14.

5 Wraithguards with a warlock costs around 200pts. 10 firedragons costs 160pts.

The Wraithguards wounds everything on 2+. Sure thats great, but with the dragons str 8 there aint much in the orc and chaos space marine army that stand a chanse against str 8 anyway (exept a deamon prince/greater deamon maybe). Against vehicles the dragons are way more superior. str 8 on 12" and str 8 with 2 dice on 6". and also +1 on the vehicle damage table for being AP1. Also, the dragons will be firing 10 shots, while the wraithguards will be firing five and still be around 40pts cheaper.

Sure the Wraithguards can take alot more dmg with their high T and Save. but still, a space marine can kill 2 of them with 2 well placed bolter shots in a single round. Just a +3, a +5 and you failing a 3+ save. And u'll feel those 200pts pretty silly spent. They can easily be owerwhelmed by alot of fire (or a few highly powered shots). Wraithguards are better used in 10 squads by foot in bigger games, trust me.

And about their higher STR, are you planning on using them in close combat. Otherwise then that, STR is pretty useless. And trust me, they do really suck in CC with their 1 attack each.

"hits per your roll, rather than hoping you roll 6's to blow up AV 13 or 14"
A fusiongun gets 2 dice rolls on 6". and with the WS escort they get within 6 inch most of the time.




Also, I don't have any Dragons, haha

Shame, they are a really important unit in any eldar army.

Anyhing else?

Will the rangers be on foot? Will the Farseer be on foot?

A Fireprism is alot more flexible then a nightspinner. Nightspinner is better against Nids tbh.
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I notice the main focus of a squad of Fire Dragons is to get loaded into a Wave Serpent, aimed at the nearest big tank or MC, and then shot or assaulted off the table the following turn. Wraithguard have more survivability with their better save and Toughness, plus they're not too shabby in assault with a WS4 andS5

wraithguards are very shabby in assault with 1 attack each. The thing is, The firedragons wont survive the following turn prolly. Soo you you load 5 firedragons in a serpent. (80pts right?) and fly the next to a high valued tank (Land raider, predator, some big orcy tank) and obligerate it with 5 melta shots (nothing survives that). and then let them die next round. If they surive, good for you, jump in again and pick your next target.

If 5 wraithguards do the same tactic, they will die to, it will just cost you 120pts more and you will have a lesser chance of killing your target..


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And you can add a Singing Spear to the Warlock to throw in a S9 weapon against vehicles or a Wounds on 2+ weapon to help in combat

sure thats great. Just remember that you lose 1 attack in CC then for using 2 handed weapon


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Any other Eldar players care to comment?

Thanks!
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