<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? WH 40k, they have reference the Ork Gods Gork and Mork, however they have also stated that they may or may not be real... Do you think it is just a false belief, the subconscious psyche of the race as a whole, really worshiping Khorne (unlikely as they do not spawn demons or khorne beserkers)... Just curious what everyone else feelings are... cheers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4289985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4289985.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Is there a feasible difference between those two concepts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4289989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4289989.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?

Melissia wrote:
Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Is there a feasible difference between those two concepts?

Also, most lore that describes a move made by Gork (or possibly Mork) includes that small caveat in it...its always possibly the other at any time.
Indeed, Gork is "Cunnin' an brootal" whilst Mork is "Brootal an cunnin' " thats the only real distinction orks have drawn between their own two gods.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4289991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4289991.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
greg0985 wrote:They may also be lesser warp entities...like weak Chaos Gods
Actually they're described as being utter monstrosities in the warp, shrugging off the attacks fo the chaos gods as if they were utterly invulnerable.

Gork and Mork are stronger than the chaos gods, to be sure. This is no surprise, considering that Orks outnumber every other sentient race in the galaxy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4289994.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4289994.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Melissia wrote:
greg0985 wrote:They may also be lesser warp entities...like weak Chaos Gods
Actually they're described as being utter monstrosities in the warp, shrugging off the attacks fo the chaos gods as if they were utterly invulnerable.

Gork and Mork are stronger than the chaos gods, to be sure. This is no surprise, considering that Orks outnumber every other sentient race in the galaxy


Hmmm..i dont know about that one man...sounds like Orky propaganda. Lore set up in several novels seems to indicate that the chaos powers are an immutable fact about the universe....and even goes as far as to hint that they are, and always have been, eternal. I know this directly contradicts some of the lore established in codices and WFB army books...but Dan Abnett's never led me wrong before I would assume that in the face of such powers, no other force stands a chance.

Edit** reason i posted this bit, is it seems to me that despite the number of orks-to-humans (or indeed any warp-sensitive race), if the gods ARE enternal, then they are far older then our universe, and far more powerful then anyone in our existance can fathom...or care to think. (thinking of things hinted to by the Omphalos Daemonium in Dead Sky Black Sun)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290012.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
greg0985 wrote:Lore set up in several novels seems to indicate that the chaos powers are an immutable fact about the universe
That's what is believed by chaos heretics. Whom know very little, if anything, about the big C "Chaos" to begin with, even chaos marines know less than we do.

But in truth, the Chaos Gods are drawn from the emotions of mortals, just as Gork and Mork are drawn from the psyche of the Orkoid race.

And what I stated was in the Ork codex, rather than novels.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290020.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? in 6th ed. we all might be written out of existence. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290034.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
greg0985 wrote:Personally i always take 'codex lore' with a grain of salt.
It's better than novels, which have the consistency of a soggy... paper.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290041.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Melissia wrote:
greg0985 wrote:Personally i always take 'codex lore' with a grain of salt.
It's better than novels, which have the consistency of a soggy... paper.


No argument here brother ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290056.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Fortunantly for everyone else, just like orks, they are just as content to slap each other around as bash their counterparts.

This is why Ghaz's Waaagh is so dangerous, if the Orks ever unify, so do Gork and Mork. Then the entirety of existance is pwned and neither Dark God nor the might of Mortals can stand before them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290059.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
greg0985 wrote:
Melissia wrote:
greg0985 wrote:They may also be lesser warp entities...like weak Chaos Gods
Actually they're described as being utter monstrosities in the warp, shrugging off the attacks fo the chaos gods as if they were utterly invulnerable.

Gork and Mork are stronger than the chaos gods, to be sure. This is no surprise, considering that Orks outnumber every other sentient race in the galaxy


Hmmm..i dont know about that one man...sounds like Orky propaganda. Lore set up in several novels seems to indicate that the chaos powers are an immutable fact about the universe....and even goes as far as to hint that they are, and always have been, eternal. I know this directly contradicts some of the lore established in codices and WFB army books...but Dan Abnett's never led me wrong before I would assume that in the face of such powers, no other force stands a chance.

Edit** reason i posted this bit, is it seems to me that despite the number of orks-to-humans (or indeed any warp-sensitive race), if the gods ARE enternal, then they are far older then our universe, and far more powerful then anyone in our existance can fathom...or care to think. (thinking of things hinted to by the Omphalos Daemonium in Dead Sky Black Sun)


It is stated in rogue trader, Eldar Codices and Necron, That when the old ones built the webway which the Eldar perfected that the warp was a safe place as there had not been enough phychic sentient races to influence it, as time went on the warp took shape and became more material and dangerous... Now I do concede that the gods of chaos could have existed in some form before that (except for Slaanesh as we know where he/she came from to the Eldar's chagrin). We know that the Eldar gods all were consumed by Slaanesh except for Iris who is captive of papa nurgle and used to test new plagues as she can not die, the laughing god and in shards kaela mensha kaine....

I like the idea of the psyche being a warp incantation of the gods, cool idea


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greg0985 wrote:Personally i always take 'codex lore' with a grain of salt. Almost all the lore in the codices are examples of victories by the race in question. Also...some codex lore is written by Matt Ward...thus we both loose this argument in 6th ed. we all might be written out of existence.



MATT WARD NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290066.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290098.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290098.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4290350.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291172.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Funk3140 wrote:If you read the Daemons codex it states that the warp has no time, everything that has been or will be already exists or has already happened in the warp. Slannesh always existed, the Eldar just brought him out into the real world. Read the fluff its kinda cool. The gods exist forever because there is no time in the warp.
It also says that the Emperor is the only thing keeping the Daemons from conquering humanity, so that must mean that daemons will never succeed since he was always there and always will be according to the daemon lore?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291203.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
greg0985 wrote:In 6th ed. we all might be written out of existence.

Sig'd

Gork and Mork are generally accepted to be the most powerful things in existence. IIRC, when the Emperor felt their presence in the warp for the first time, he wet himself in fear or something. Many, however, believe that Gork/Mork is/are just different faces of Khorne in the same way Khaine may/may not be. Khorne IS the god of warfare, and the Orks do like to fight. So it is feasible that Orky warfare created said facet of Khorne.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291208.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
DeadlySquirrel wrote:
greg0985 wrote:In 6th ed. we all might be written out of existence.

Sig'd

Gork and Mork are generally accepted to be the most powerful things in existence. IIRC, when the Emperor felt their presence in the warp for the first time, he wet himself in fear or something. Many, however, believe that Gork/Mork is/are just different faces of Khorne in the same way Khaine may/may not be. Khorne IS the god of warfare, and the Orks do like to fight. So it is feasible that Orky warfare created said facet of Khorne.


I agree with that assesment, however why don't they spawn demons or have greater demons running around.... Or Ork Khorne beserkers...

The emperor we himself... hilarious.. would love to have seen that.. embarrasing ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291312.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291312.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Eiluj The Farseer wrote:I agree with that assesment, however why don't they spawn demons or have greater demons running around
Why do they NEED to?

Orks already dominate the galaxy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291367.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Khorne and Khaine are Human and Eldar war gods. G&M are the Ork version. And because all the Orks know is war, they are the most powerful War Gods.

If Gork and Mork ever decide to take on the Human Gods, it would be a bloodbath for the Deamons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291389.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Chowderhead wrote:Gork and Mork are not Khorne/Khaine.

Khorne and Khaine are Human and Eldar war gods. G&M are the Ork version. And because all the Orks know is war, they are the most powerful War Gods.

If Gork and Mork ever decide to take on the Human Gods, it would be a bloodbath for the Deamons.


That's my point, Khorne is the god of all war. Not just war by humans, but all war. So the Orks also power Khorne, same with Khaine. Which is why it is my theory (and many others) that all the other gods of war (Gork/Mork, Khaine...) are facets of Khorne. Bits of the Blood God that the respective races power or created. But they are still Khorne.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291519.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
One thing to remember though is that Gork and Mork are not gods of war. They are simply the ork gods of the philosophy that orks are made for fighting and winning. Hence while the chaos gods like Khorn represent the galaxies emotions of violence and anger, the gods Gork and Mork just represent fighting between and with orks.

as for them creating demons, they dont need to. To an ork having some entity from the warp spawn is just another enemy to krump. They would be completely against the idea of fighting alongside some warp spawned creature because it is un-orky. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291531.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291553.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
DeadlySquirrel wrote:Whether it is an Ork that spills blood, or a crazed World Eater Bezerker...
Orks don't feed Khorne, however-- they feed Gork and Mork. And even "feed" in this instance is misleading.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291715.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Melissia wrote:
DeadlySquirrel wrote:Whether it is an Ork that spills blood, or a crazed World Eater Bezerker...
Orks don't feed Khorne, however-- they feed Gork and Mork. And even "feed" in this instance is misleading.

Pretty much this, actively worshipping an entity steals the power away from the Chaos god it should have gone to and redirects it to them. Hence, the Imperium of Man fuels the Emperor rather than the Chaos Gods as long as the individual in question believes in the Emperor strongly enough. The orks as a whole consider the Chaos Gods to be weedy little gods for wusses, and they're right, Gork and Mork are so powerful that they've canonically used Nurgle more or less as a living Volley Ball. When the first gargant was built, Khorne was stated to feel unrelenting fear right before Gork and Mork celebrated by beating up every other major entity in the warp. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291767.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Khorne does lay claim all loose psychic energy generated in relation to war and bloodshed, but the orks psychic energy does not fall into that category, nor can it be claimed by any of the Chaos gods.

The orks psychic energy is all 'controlled' (for a given definition) and tied up in the WAAAGH!, or which Gork and Mork are a part. That is why they are largely uncorruptable (at least spiritually) by chaos, and why humans are so vulnerable.

Human psychic energy is ALL loose and unfocused, they are easy prey for chaos.

Eldar energy was mostly focused at their gods. They were well defended, it wasn't until the end of their empire that their decadence generated enough loose energy to generate a chaos god. They fell because they lost their purpose and focus.

Orks psychic energy is almost entirely focused on being orky, on feeding the WAAAGH! field and thus Gork and Mork.

Khorne, and the other chaos gods, can mostly only claim loose, uncontrolled psychic energy. For the longest time Khaine was a separate entity from Khorne, the focus of the Eldar's war focused psychic energy. At the birth of Slaanesh Khorne claimed Khaine and his portfolio, and thus gained access to the Eldar.

As for the 'timeless' thing, while it may be true that time has no function in the warp, it does effect the ways in which the warp interacts with the materium. Before Slaanesh's birth he effectively didn't exist as far as the materium was concerned.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4291871.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
riplikash wrote:I've always understood it like this:

Khorne does lay claim all loose psychic energy generated in relation to war and bloodshed, but the orks psychic energy does not fall into that category, nor can it be claimed by any of the Chaos gods.

The orks psychic energy is all 'controlled' (for a given definition) and tied up in the WAAAGH!, or which Gork and Mork are a part. That is why they are largely uncorruptable (at least spiritually) by chaos, and why humans are so vulnerable.

Human psychic energy is ALL loose and unfocused, they are easy prey for chaos.

Eldar energy was mostly focused at their gods. They were well defended, it wasn't until the end of their empire that their decadence generated enough loose energy to generate a chaos god. They fell because they lost their purpose and focus.

Orks psychic energy is almost entirely focused on being orky, on feeding the WAAAGH! field and thus Gork and Mork.

Khorne, and the other chaos gods, can mostly only claim loose, uncontrolled psychic energy. For the longest time Khaine was a separate entity from Khorne, the focus of the Eldar's war focused psychic energy. At the birth of Slaanesh Khorne claimed Khaine and his portfolio, and thus gained access to the Eldar.

As for the 'timeless' thing, while it may be true that time has no function in the warp, it does effect the ways in which the warp interacts with the materium. Before Slaanesh's birth he effectively didn't exist as far as the materium was concerned.


I like this explaination, I also like the idea of Gork and Mork kicking pus filled pappa Nurgle's but around the immaterium.. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4292014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4292014.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4292190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4292190.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Psienesis wrote:Orks don't care about your "logical explanations" and "if this is true, then it must follow that..." and all your other debates of philosophy and planar cosmology. Theology is not an Orky pursuit... Orkz is made for fightin' an' winnin', and dem Chaos Boyz, dey ain't proppa Orky, dey ain't proppa fresh an' blood.


True]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4292200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4292200.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Melissia wrote:
greg0985 wrote:They may also be lesser warp entities...like weak Chaos Gods
Actually they're described as being utter monstrosities in the warp, shrugging off the attacks fo the chaos gods as if they were utterly invulnerable.

Gork and Mork are stronger than the chaos gods, to be sure. This is no surprise, considering that Orks outnumber every other sentient race in the galaxy

Yes, no offense Greg but I think Gork and Mork could easily stomp the Chaos Gods if they were inclined to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4295300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4295300.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
The warp makes emotion/belief take physical form, thus the emperor really is a literal God, thanks to the belief of trillions of humans, all of the chaos Gods exist thanks to the emotions of trillions of humanoids manifesting as the Gods, and Gork and Mork obviously physically exist, thanks to the belief of a staggering number of Orks.

Is that correct? Cos that's how I always presumed it worked. I also guess they got the numbers wrong, because I read a book that said there were 300 billion humans on a hive world?

So surely there are literally trillions of humans, not mere billions?

And if Orks outnumber humans?

Gork and Mork must be the big cheese of the warp!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4295374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4295374.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
I don't think I need to say who is whom in this example. lol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4295748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4295748.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
angelshade00 wrote:
Yes, no offense Greg but I think Gork and Mork could easily stomp the Chaos Gods if they were inclined to.

This is absolutely true. Just as it is equally entirely clear that Orks could easily stomp the galaxy if they were inclined.

But, they're Orks, and they're having quite a good enough time already.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4295907.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4295907.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296003.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Jayden63 wrote:For those having difficulty visualizing Gork and Mork vs other gods, you need just look at the recent Avengers movie where the Hulk confronts Loki.

I don't think I need to say who is whom in this example. lol.




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Runna wrote:
Jayden63 wrote:For those having difficulty visualizing Gork and Mork vs other gods, you need just look at the recent Avengers movie where the Hulk confronts Loki.

I don't think I need to say who is whom in this example. lol.






ummmm loki? Just kidding ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296071.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
mattyrm wrote:I thought that the fluff could easily be described in one sentence right? My interpretation is...

The warp makes emotion/belief take physical form, thus the emperor really is a literal God, thanks to the belief of trillions of humans, all of the chaos Gods exist thanks to the emotions of trillions of humanoids manifesting as the Gods, and Gork and Mork obviously physically exist, thanks to the belief of a staggering number of Orks.

Is that correct? Cos that's how I always presumed it worked. I also guess they got the numbers wrong, because I read a book that said there were 300 billion humans on a hive world?

So surely there are literally trillions of humans, not mere billions?

And if Orks outnumber humans?

Gork and Mork must be the big cheese of the warp!


No sir they make the big cheese of the warp feel small!!!!!!


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I beleive the hulk is actually the son of Gork or Mork cause he is so dang orky!!!!!!!!!!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296532.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
mattyrm wrote:Is that correct? Cos that's how I always presumed it worked.

Almost:
thus the emperor really is a literal God corpse, thanks to the belief of trillions of humans Horus.



Trillions might be low in terms of humans who worship the Emperor's holy corpse.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296564.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296564.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Runna wrote:
Jayden63 wrote:For those having difficulty visualizing Gork and Mork vs other gods, you need just look at the recent Avengers movie where the Hulk confronts Loki.

I don't think I need to say who is whom in this example. lol.





Gork: *Slaughters his way through Khorne's daemons and tackles Khorne off of the Skull throne* OI! ITZ SMASHIN' TIME!
Khorne: STOP! You are a lowly, insignificant greenskin! You are scum! I am the GOD OF WAR! I will not be bullied by y-*Gork grabs Khorne and starts repeatedly slamming him onto the skull throne.*
Khorne: *looks up dumbfounded and humiliated from within his own crater*
Gork: Punee war god.



Picture related.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296629.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4296669.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4297643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4297643.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4297705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4297705.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? As far as M/Gork in the warp, I liken them to 2 school yard bullies that push the other gods down and kick sand in their face. Never going much farther because then they wouldn't be able to have fun anymore.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4315543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4315543.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
So they break trough the Cadia gate and land on the first planet they find. This planet is red and when they land they find that the entire planet is covered with blood and soon after they landed a bunch of Khorne daemons start to rice from the blood (turns out this is the planet of a Khorne daemon prince). The orks don't think for a second and directly charges the incoming horde of daemons and after a long and bloody fight the final ork is slain.
However the next day the ork find themself alive again and the battle once again rages on, and the next day, and the day after that.
And during all this the words of the warboss can be heard all over the battle field "Oi lads didn't I promise you the fight of our lives!"

Find this kinda "romantic" in a strange way, Orks and Khorne together in perfect harmony ^^]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4315572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4315572.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
DarbNilbirts wrote:I see the diference between Khorn and G/Mork as part of the emotion that feeds them, Khorn isn't war per say, but hatred and rage that some races, especially humans, use to fuel a war. But for orks, violence is the purest expression of enjoyment, for them there is no cause or reason or justification to fight, it needs none. It is the goal, and one easily attainable for orks.
As far as M/Gork in the warp, I liken them to 2 school yard bullies that push the other gods down and kick sand in their face. Never going much farther because then they wouldn't be able to have fun anymore.

I really like your view, I think it makes perfect sense and I really like it....

salix_fatuus wrote:Of topic but this reminds me of the story of a Ork warboss who promis his boys the fight of their life and that good fighting is to be found in the eye of terror.

So they break trough the Cadia gate and land on the first planet they find. This planet is red and when they land they find that the entire planet is covered with blood and soon after they landed a bunch of Khorne daemons start to rice from the blood (turns out this is the planet of a Khorne daemon prince). The orks don't think for a second and directly charges the incoming horde of daemons and after a long and bloody fight the final ork is slain.
However the next day the ork find themself alive again and the battle once again rages on, and the next day, and the day after that.
And during all this the words of the warboss can be heard all over the battle field "Oi lads didn't I promise you the fight of our lives!"

Find this kinda "romantic" in a strange way, Orks and Khorne together in perfect harmony ^^


I agree to any extent that anything can be 'romantic' to Orks, I think this would be a perfect way to spend eternity for them! Their idea of heaven or nirvana
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salix_fatuus wrote:
I agree to any extent that anything can be 'romantic' to Orks, I think this would be a perfect way to spend eternity for them! Their idea of heaven or nirvana

perhaps Valhalla would be a bit more appropriate, but I completly agree that the daemon world is an ork paradise. Also says something about the comparative powers when a good ork whaaag can go into the heart of the deamons power and destroy a whole spread of worlds, not just the daemons there, but the worlds themselves, before finally meeting their matches, and their paradise. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4316521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4316521.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
salix_fatuus wrote:Of topic but this reminds me of the story of a Ork warboss who promis his boys the fight of their life and that good fighting is to be found in the eye of terror.

So they break trough the Cadia gate and land on the first planet they find. This planet is red and when they land they find that the entire planet is covered with blood and soon after they landed a bunch of Khorne daemons start to rice from the blood (turns out this is the planet of a Khorne daemon prince). The orks don't think for a second and directly charges the incoming horde of daemons and after a long and bloody fight the final ork is slain.
However the next day the ork find themself alive again and the battle once again rages on, and the next day, and the day after that.
And during all this the words of the warboss can be heard all over the battle field "Oi lads didn't I promise you the fight of our lives!"

Find this kinda "romantic" in a strange way, Orks and Khorne together in perfect harmony ^^


Thing is though, that wasn't the first one they landed on. They smashed COUNTLESS daemon worlds on the way to that one, and were only stopped on that one because they were worn down by the other ones. Not to mention they went to a planet used for hostile enviornment training for the elite cadian IG regiments as a WARM UP before they headed in.

I remember the first time I read that story, I just sat the codex down and remember saying "that could be the most orkiest thing I've ever read"

Without a doubt, Gork and Mork would be the most powerful gods in the immaterium. The orks's faith in their gods is unshakable, add that to their whole "believe it enough and anything works", and I'd honestly be surprised if they WEREN'T the biggest and the toughest.

I mean seriously, these are the guys who's vehicles go faster just because they believe with unshakeable faith that the color red makes them go faster. That kind of devotion any other god would give anything for. Then you've got the fact that they're one of the most populous races with a warp presence, and the fact that they believe 100% they were created for fightan and winnin'. Their gods are the embodiment of this philosophy, and when your entire way of life is "fightan and winnin!", well... you get the idea.

Honestly, if we ever have a "final showdown" type of event, where the emperor faces of against the chaos gods or whatever, I can see there being a big buildup, only to have Gork and Mork bust in at the last second with a hearty "OI! WHO STARTED DA KRUMPIN WITHOUT US?!?!?!?!" before proceeding to unleash the mightiest can of whoopass this universe has ever seen...
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In any case, I did enjoy that story and the fluff about the orks alone is the reason I enjoy playing them so much.

"OI! WHO STARTED DA KRUMPIN WITHOUT US?!?!?!?!" aw, good imagery, mork and gork wouldn't even kill 'em, they'd just throw back into their seats so they can keep up the good fightin for the forseeable eternity.

They aren't just real Gods, they're real Bad Ass Gods.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4316723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4316723.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
I see the diference between Khorn and G/Mork as part of the emotion that feeds them, Khorn isn't war per say, but hatred and rage that some races, especially humans, use to fuel a war. But for orks, violence is the purest expression of enjoyment, for them there is no cause or reason or justification to fight, it needs none. It is the goal, and one easily attainable for orks.


Its often forgotten that Khorne is also the guard of martial pride and honor, his most dedicated followers seeking out the most worthy of foes to fight and slaughter.
Orks have no such high held morals.

As far as M/Gork in the warp, I liken them to 2 school yard bullies that push the other gods down and kick sand in their face. Never going much farther because then they wouldn't be able to have fun anymore.


Great stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4316724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4316724.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4318658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4318658.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
DarbNilbirts wrote:As far as M/Gork in the warp, I liken them to 2 school yard bullies that push the other gods down and kick sand in their face. Never going much farther because then they wouldn't be able to have fun anymore.


Truer words have never been typed on the internet!!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4319748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4319748.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? IIRC they referred to it as a 'racial soul' (a term I liked) and it probably can apply the same to the Orks and probably even to the 'Nids. And in that context they're one and the same, with perhaps the only real distinction between a 'god' and the 'soul' being that one is perpetually conscious and aware and the other is not (or at least not consistently. The old 'REalms of Chaos' stuff had a ton of ideas on this that I find interesting and applicable to the warp and warp denizens even today.)

Also, the Ork gods are pretty much about fighting, and it doesn't matter whether people die or not, whilst Khorne is more focused on the aspects pertaining to death, blood, skulls, etc. War is one convenient outlet for that but not the only one. So in a sense they are related but not the same thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4320219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4320219.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race?
Gork and Mork and the orks are much better then the Imperials as a whole, then why do people think of Waaagh fluff of killing 40 Imperial worlds and a whole bunch of space marine fluff is over the top?

Orks can do whatever they want they why do peopel complain about my fluff?

Seriously if you're against it, chances are you're not a true warhammer fan or an imperial fanboy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4330012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4330012.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4330454.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4330454.page GMT Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4334709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4334709.page GMT Re:Gork and Mork are they real gods or the unified psyche of the Ork race? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4335646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450087/4335646.page GMT