<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Necron Shooty-Death 1500"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Necron Shooty-Death 1500 HQ
Phaeron w/ Res Orb - 140
LanceTek w/ Pulse - 55
LanceTek - 35
VeilTek - 60
Elites
5x Deathmarks - 95
Stalker w/ Heavy Gauss Cannon - 165
Troops
10x Gauss Immortals - 170
10x Tesla Immortals - 170
10x Tesla Immortals - 170
Fast Attack
9x Scarabs
9x Scarabs
Heavy Support
Anni Barge - 90
Anni Barge - 90

So, the list should be pretty simple stupid. The Stalker is there to sit back and light up targets of opportunity. Phaeron attaches to the gauss immortals, and the lances with the tesla immortals. The VeilTek will stick to the deathmarks and do some teleport shenanigans around the board (theoretically). Meantime, scarabs are there to destroy vehicles and/or tarpit, and the barges will cover the flanks.
The list is designed for all comers, as there are many races at my FLGS, including DE and Orks. Any comments and flames are welcome.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4303366.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4303366.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4303371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4303371.page GMT Re:Necron Shooty-Death 1500
1500 PlateCron (1496)

Overlord, Warscythe, MSS, SW, Barge (210)
Overlord, Warscythe, MSS, SW, Barge (210)

Court (90)
2 X Lancetek, Pulse

Elite
2xTriarch Stalker, TL Heavy Gauss Cannon (330)

Troops
9 X Tesla Immortals (153), LanceTek, Pulse
9 X Tesla Immortals (153) LanceTek

Heavy Support
2x Doomsday Ark (350)

Similar concept to yours, but I put ALL my eggs in the shooty basket!

I know it is weird putting the lanceteks with Tesla immortals, but I didn't want them walking around by themselves and I figure the Immortals will be sitting the Doomsday Arks for the first couple of turns.


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That would pay for a third Annihilation Barge, an extra Lord with Mindshackle Scarabs to attach to the squad without a court member, and a Warscythe or Mindshackle Scarabs on the Phaeron.

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The Deathmarks can deep strike on their own, though you want the old template attack, so fair enough.

The Stalker should stick with the heat ray, Necrons lack melta and this will be helpful, plus it gets two shots and is same range of majority of your Necron stuff. Another Triarch Stalker would be nice too. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4304961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4304961.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500
Zid wrote:Get 3 barges


Emperor awfulness wrote:I'd skip the stalker in this list - there isn't enough heavy shooting to take advantage of the twin-linking. And split the scarabs into 3x6 instead of 2x9. 6 Is enough to kill most vehicles, and anything worth tarpitting is going to tear through scarabs pretty quickly - but with three units that's one more they have to separately wipe out.

That would pay for a third Annihilation Barge, an extra Lord with Mindshackle Scarabs to attach to the squad without a court member, and a Warscythe or Mindshackle Scarabs on the Phaeron.

Getting a 3rd barge is an interesting proposal, however, their weapons are twin-linked already, and thus the stalker would be somewhat useless if there are three of these things running around. I suppose that would mean I would have to re-build my list on this principle.
However, I do like the idea of splitting up the scarabs to three units of six. Might try that out.

mercer wrote:I don't think you have units setup right. You're putting a S8 anti tank lance shot with tesla carbines, which are anti troop.

The Deathmarks can deep strike on their own, though you want the old template attack, so fair enough.

The Stalker should stick with the heat ray, Necrons lack melta and this will be helpful, plus it gets two shots and is same range of majority of your Necron stuff. Another Triarch Stalker would be nice too.

My reasons for putting lanceteks in tesla groups would be somewhat similar as putting a missile launcher in a tactical marine squad. Plus, having a lance firing at infantry if there's no vehicles within range wouldn't seem so bad anywho.
If I wanted to include a second stalker, what would you recommend I take out or switch around to accommodate for this? I was thinking the deathmarks, since they're not terribly essential to the list, just something surprising for the enemy to have to deal with.

MarkCron wrote:I have been toying with the idea of stalkers since the models came out too. I came up with this:

1500 PlateCron (1496)

Overlord, Warscythe, MSS, SW, Barge (210)
Overlord, Warscythe, MSS, SW, Barge (210)

Court (90)
2 X Lancetek, Pulse

Elite
2xTriarch Stalker, TL Heavy Gauss Cannon (330)

Troops
9 X Tesla Immortals (153), LanceTek, Pulse
9 X Tesla Immortals (153) LanceTek

Heavy Support
2x Doomsday Ark (350)

Similar concept to yours, but I put ALL my eggs in the shooty basket!

I know it is weird putting the lanceteks with Tesla immortals, but I didn't want them walking around by themselves and I figure the Immortals will be sitting the Doomsday Arks for the first couple of turns.

Very interesting list. Have you had a chance to test it out on the tabletop yet?

I thank you all for your input. I might not use it all, but I appreciate it anyways. I feel like I want to try and stick to this list and tweak it until it can properly work on the battlefield instead of throwing the ideas away like I did with previous ones.
So, part of the consensus seems to be either get a second stalker for this list, or drop it and get a third annihilation barge. Hmmm...
While I ponder this for tomorrow, any other ideas or suggestions?
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Dr. Temujin wrote:

MarkCron wrote:I have been toying with the idea of stalkers since the models came out too. I came up with this:

1500 PlateCron (1496)

Overlord, Warscythe, MSS, SW, Barge (210)
Overlord, Warscythe, MSS, SW, Barge (210)

Court (90)
2 X Lancetek, Pulse

Elite
2xTriarch Stalker, TL Heavy Gauss Cannon (330)

Troops
9 X Tesla Immortals (153), LanceTek, Pulse
9 X Tesla Immortals (153) LanceTek

Heavy Support
2x Doomsday Ark (350)

Similar concept to yours, but I put ALL my eggs in the shooty basket!

I know it is weird putting the lanceteks with Tesla immortals, but I didn't want them walking around by themselves and I figure the Immortals will be sitting the Doomsday Arks for the first couple of turns.

Very interesting list. Have you had a chance to test it out on the tabletop yet?

Not yet. I don't have enough models. I'm trying to decide whether my next purchases are spyders or stalkers so I was putting some lists together to see which appealed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4311461.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4311461.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500
I am not quite sold on the annihilation barges. The command barges are just as fun and you get those nifty sweep attacks. Then when its destroyed the pheron lord just hops over to his gauss friends to shoot some stuff on the run.

I have used that tactic to good effect. The annihilation barges just dont have good enough range for their cost IMO.

But still, try out what you think will work. Cut what you find doesn't work. Nothing better than trial and error.

Cheers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4311871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4311871.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500
Agree on the command barges. I find that anni barges work well for me, particularly for only 90pts. TL Tesla makes a mess of infantry & hordes and 2 is double the fun!!

I have just bought another barge, so I'm going to try three shortly.

@Dr.Temujin
Three anni barges, 30 Tesla and gauss immortals with lanceteks. Even with the three Anni barges I reckon the stalker will be useful (after all you still have 30 immortals who would like TL and the AB have tesla or gauss cannons)

The obvious other substitution is to use spyders instead....but then you have at best a hybrid shooty list.

Maybe drop the scarabs for the second stalker (I'd keep the deathmarks! After all, can't hurt to have TL sniper shots which then wound on 2+) or drop the scarabs for a barge lord? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4311947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4311947.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500 AP 1 on the heat ray, I have almost never had it survive long enough to be in melta range. With a 36" range I can sit back and target relay almost everything if I am in the middle of the board. In my list I have a very heavy shooty list and can take down a lot of armor per turn. Oh, and 3 annihilation barges is the only way to go. It is shear amount of saves you want your opponent to have to roll. Here is my 1850 list to show you what I use.

195 Overlord
Warscythe, MSS
Catacomb Command Barge
Gauss Cannon

Royal Court 1
125 3x Harbinger of Destruction, 1x Solar Pulse, 3x Eldritch Lance
60 Harbinger of Despair, Abyssal Staff and Veil of Darkness

195 Overlord
Warscythe, MSS
Catacomb Command Barge
Gauss Cannon

Royal Court 2
125 3x Harbinger of Destruction, 1x Solar Pulse, 3x Eldritch Lance
60 Harbinger of Despair, Abyssal Staff and Veil of Darkness

Elites:
150 Triarch Stalker

150 Triarch Stalker

Troops:
65 (5) Necron Warriors

65 (5) Necron Warriors

65 (5) Necron Warriors

65 (5) Necron Warriors

Fast:
260 (6) Wraiths 3x whip coil, 1x particle caster, 1x whip coil and particle caster

Heavy:
90 Annihilation Barge
Gauss Cannon

90 Annihilation Barge
Gauss Cannon

90 Annihilation Barge
Gauss Cannon
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They are not very good on their own.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4315880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4315880.page GMT Re:Necron Shooty-Death 1500
MarkCron wrote: Apologies!

No worries, I'm glad you understand.

So here is an edited list from the first draft. There's only a few changes, but otherwise it works the same for the most part.
HQ
Phaeron w/Res Orb - 140
LanceTek w/Pulse - 55
LanceTek w/Gaze of Flame - 45
Elites
Triarch Stalker - 150
Triarch Stalker - 150
Troops
10x Gauss Immortals - 170
10x Tesla Immortals - 170
10x Tesla Immortals - 170
Fast Attack
6x Scarabs - 90
6x Scarabs - 90
6x Scarabs - 90
Heavy Support
Anni Barge - 90
Anni Barge - 90
Total - 1500 on the dot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4316988.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4316988.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500
Tactics to march up the centre of the board with stalkers and AB on outside, Scarabs in front?

Or hammer and anvil?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4317060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4317060.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500 GT I went to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4317965.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4317965.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500 lol, this is why @Dr.T didn't want other lists posted.

I was actually curious about Dr.Ts plan.

@cranium, if you start a thread in the army list we can continue there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4319084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4319084.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500 I'm wondering how the Immortals should play in this particular list, whether they should be spread out and cover a wide area, or concentrate towards either flank of the opposing army. The latter tactic, I would imagine, could work better with the Deathmarks and Veiltek in there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4334615.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4334615.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500 MC. Suppose you could use them to try and collapse a flank.

In your second list, I don't think you have the firepower (or the mobility) to spread out over the whole board. I'd say you are looking on focussing on a flank. So, ABs and 2 squads of immortals walking up the flank, Stalkers in the centre, scarabs centre with the remaining block? roll that flank and come around to the centre, then push to the remaining flank?

For objective games, control objectives in 2/3 of the board, contest the others?

For capture and control, a flank approach is probably best, then you can hammer and anvil as they will be coming to you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4334684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4334684.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4335395.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4335395.page GMT Necron Shooty-Death 1500 I was considering, though, whether I should maybe drop two scarab bases to make room for the Heavy Gauss Cannons on the Stalkers, or just leave them as is?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4338827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/450757/4338827.page GMT