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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm having a game on friday with my first time trying out Vulkan.<br /> <br /> Let me know what you think, please!<br /> <br /> Vulkan<br /> <br /> 5x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> termies, land raider (yes, vanilla, hang me), multimelta<br /> <br /> Ironclad, hvy flamer, meltagun, pod<br /> <br /> 10x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span>, meltagun, missile, fist, rhino<br /> <br /> 10x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span>, meltagun, missile, fist, rhino<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> attack bike<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> attack bike<br /> <br /> Typhoon speeder or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> speeder, not sure which to take<br /> <br /> <br /> I have an ironclad instead of a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> dread, because it won't (hopefully) die the turn it deepstrikes.<br /> I'm thinking of switching <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> meltas to flamers but not sure on that.<br /> Any suggestions?<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 May 2012 18:03:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Go with flamer/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>mm</span> in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squads. Dump the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>pf</span>'s. Go with a plain old dread. I would go with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>mm</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>hf</span> speeders.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 May 2012 18:33:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok, I can use multimeltas and dump the fists, but I can't use a normal multimelta dread, because I don't have the model (I prefer the ironclad anyway), also I have only one <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> speeder, and prefer the (far from traditional) <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> attack bikes.<br /> <br />  So that would make it like:<br /> <br /> Vulkan <br /> <br /> 5x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> termies, land raider (yes, vanilla, hang me), multimelta <br /> <br /> Ironclad, hvy flamer, meltagun, pod <br /> <br /> 10x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span>, flamer, multimelta, rhino <br /> <br /> 10x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span>, flamer, multimelta, rhino <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> attack bike <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> attack bike <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> speeder<br /> <br /> And that would leave 90pts for something.<br /> <br /> EDIT: ACTUALLY! I can in fact make a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> dread out of an ironclad, that would give me 30pts, and give me the option of dropping the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> speeder,<br /> go really untraditional and get 2 typhoons. (that should work since I'm not fighting <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GKs</span>)]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 May 2012 19:29:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Just remember, to make vulkan worth his price premium, you need to take as many models/units as you can to take advantage of his rules. If you dont, then there is no need to play him, especially at this point level...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 May 2012 20:22:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This list looks mean.  You may want to consider dropping down to three five-man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squads plus a Sternguard squad, which can better take advantage of Vulkan's twin-linked melta ability.  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 24 May 2012 01:09:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>imweasel wrote:</cite>Just remember, to make vulkan worth his <b>price premium</b>, you need to take as many models/units as you can to take advantage of his rules. If you dont, then there is no need to play him, especially at this point level...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't think he has any kind of a price premium, he's actually very undercosted since a captain with arti armor, storm shield, relic blade <br /> and digital weapons is 170pts, you are actually only paying 20 points for the heavy flamer , bolt pistol and twin-linking weapons.<br /> At 1500 and less, Vulkan is actually a great beatstick <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> as long as he doesnt run into instant deaths.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>robpace wrote:</cite>This list looks mean. You may want to consider dropping down to three five-man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squads plus a Sternguard squad, which can better take advantage of Vulkan's twin-linked melta ability.</div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> I'd prefer to keep my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> flamers, I want to have something in case I face a horde. I think 6 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> multimeltas is enough anyway.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 24 May 2012 04:52:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I would try one tact squad with flamer/missile launcher and the other with meltagun/multimelta. I've had pretty good success with those configurations. The flamer/missile launcher squad can sit back on a home objective using the missile launcher out of the hatch or combat squad leaving the launcher on the objective and move up the flamer using it out of the hatch. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 24 May 2012 05:09:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ On some other army I'd probably do that, but this army is too aggressive in nature to use my troops camping, I need to get them to the fight , so they use their twin-linked shot-range weapons (I want the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MMs</span> over <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span>) <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 24 May 2012 17:31:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>EnormousName wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>imweasel wrote:</cite>Just remember, to make vulkan worth his <b>price premium</b>, you need to take as many models/units as you can to take advantage of his rules. If you dont, then there is no need to play him, especially at this point level...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't think he has any kind of a price premium, he's actually very undercosted since a captain with arti armor, storm shield, relic blade <br /> and digital weapons is 170pts, you are actually only paying 20 points for the heavy flamer , bolt pistol and twin-linking weapons.<br /> At 1500 and less, Vulkan is actually a great beatstick <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> as long as he doesnt run into instant deaths.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except anyone spending 170pts on a captain would also be spending to much. Try not to compare a unit that is way over costed to a unit that is over costed. It will always make the way over costed unit look good, but it's still bad.<br /> <br /> At 1500pts or less, Cassius on a point cost basis would give Vulkan a run for his money.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 25 May 2012 02:16:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ imweasel]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>imweasel wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>EnormousName wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>imweasel wrote:</cite>Just remember, to make vulkan worth his <b>price premium</b>, you need to take as many models/units as you can to take advantage of his rules. If you dont, then there is no need to play him, especially at this point level...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't think he has any kind of a price premium, he's actually very undercosted since a captain with arti armor, storm shield, relic blade <br /> and digital weapons is 170pts, you are actually only paying 20 points for the heavy flamer , bolt pistol and twin-linking weapons.<br /> At 1500 and less, Vulkan is actually a great beatstick <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> as long as he doesnt run into instant deaths.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except anyone spending 170pts on a captain would also be spending to much. Try not to compare a unit that is way over costed to a unit that is over costed. It will always make the way over costed unit look good, but it's still bad.<br /> <br /> At 1500pts or less, Cassius on a point cost basis would give Vulkan a run for his money.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, sure, whatever, Cassius just happens to be a badass  <img src="/s/i/a/5c217f7a079a81c85feb45c988babf50.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Anyway, I'm having the game today, will tell you guys how it went later.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 25 May 2012 11:25:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't think you necessarily have to spam everything to make Vulkan's costs worth it, just make use of it a fair bit, i'd take Meltagun, Missile over Flamer/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> on your tacs as the multi melta is never going to fire and you'll need that melta to take out tanks, make sure you have a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> on the Land Raider, the Ironclad is fine but i'm not too sure about the lone suicide speeder.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 25 May 2012 11:43:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ GoDz BuZzSaW]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:</cite>I don't think you necessarily have to spam everything to make Vulkan's costs worth it, just make use of it a fair bit, i'd take Meltagun, Missile over Flamer/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> on your tacs as the multi melta is never going to fire and you'll need that melta to take out tanks, make sure you have a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> on the Land Raider, the Ironclad is fine but i'm not too sure about the lone suicide speeder.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm not having the suicide speeder <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Here's the final version of the list I'm going to use (sry, I just have to try the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MMs</span> on tacs, just to see if they work <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">)<br /> <br /> Vulkan <br /> <br /> 5x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> termies, land raider (yes, vanilla, hang me), multimelta <br /> <br /> Dread, hvy flamer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>, pod <br /> <br /> 10x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span>, flamer, combimelta (just in case...), multimelta, rhino <br /> <br /> 10x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span>, flamer, multimelta, rhino <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> attack bike <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> attack bike <br /> <br /> 2xTyphoon speeder<br /> <br /> Later I can try a version with meltagun/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ml</span> tacs, but I'll try this now <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 25 May 2012 12:20:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Okay! I played the game, and won with a wipeout on turn 4!<br /> <br /> The game was vs crimson fists, using death world rules with normal missions. The only thing death world really did was the death of the crimson fist's <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> on turn 1 before it got to shoot.<br /> <br /> The stars of the game were Vulkan and his termies, who literally walked though the crimson fist army. The only thing in my list that didn't really do anything were the tacs, they just killed 2 termies and blew a razorback with the combi-melta, so I'm using the meltagun/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ml</span> next time to see if it's better. It also seems I really don't need to spam any more meltas, I was able to destroy most of the tanks in two turns.<br /> <br /> So the list is good now, thanks to everyone for the advice! <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 26 May 2012 09:55:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Kudos for using a vanilla <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>. Haven't seen anyone use those recently.  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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