<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Ever considered a Viable Tactic ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4316132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4316132.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
But though viable, it's not a widespread tactic due to how the Imperium works when it comes to joint forces theatres and Guard-Navy-interfacing. The only one formation capable of always deploying this way would be the Imperial Guard Storm Trooper Regiment, as they have their own flyers.* Kadian Kasrkin or the Grenadiers of other regiments are way more numerous, but they in turn don't have the necessary dropships and thus rely on the Navy to transport them. Which sometimes works out, but as you can imagine relies on either the Navy voluntarily setting aside a few landers, or a Warmaster ordering them to do so. In short: it's probably not done as often as it'd be possible.

Though this is just a personal interpretation, and one that relies solely on GW material - other sources may depict another image, so as always it depends on what book you're looking at.

(*: the Elysians are another regiment, but I admit I have no idea if they have Grenadier units, or if their normal troops engage in commando-style missions, or if they simply use their dropships for airborne deployment within the frontlines instead of behind)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4316190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4316190.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
If enemy aircraft are in the air they are much more likely to go after the bombers that contain infantry since they, long term, are a much more lethal threat.

Why potentially sacrifice hundreds/thousands of infantry by grav insertion when you can ground pound alongside the relative safety of your tanks/chims and let your own air superiority craft focus on saving the dedicated bombers rather than having to choose?
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So in short, yes, it can and has been done. But as Lynata and Ratius said, you may not always have air superiority, and even when you do, there's no guarantee that the Navy will be co-operative. It's also less likely to be used for regular guardsmen or in large numbers. Storm-Troopers or small numbers of Veteran Drop Troops are the most likely to use this tactic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4316784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4316784.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4317142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4317142.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ? IA3 and 11 both the Tau and Eldar caused significant and quite devastating losses to the IG and Navy due to their air prowess.

Eldar fighters/interceptors simply cannot be matched by the Navy (except through sheer numbers) and they often have to rely on ground to air defenses to destroy them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4317174.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4317174.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
You NEVER see armies in todays world put bombing missions close to their own troops(besides laser guided bombs), because its a logistical nightmare. If you drop troops at the same time your bombing, your own troops willl take casualties. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4318253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4318253.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
Smitty0305 wrote:The logistics behind dropping while bombing are foolish and impossible.

You NEVER see armies in todays world put bombing missions close to their own troops(besides laser guided bombs), because its a logistical nightmare. If you drop troops at the same time your bombing, your own troops willl take casualties.


This. Far too many things that can, and will, go wrong, not enough benefits.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4318281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4318281.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
Smitty0305 wrote:The logistics behind dropping while bombing are foolish and impossible.
Welcome to the Imperial Guard. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4318341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4318341.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
If you were to do it in two waves, first waves paves the way with bombs, then the second wave comes in a drops grav-troops in, it could work.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4319439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4319439.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4319501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4319501.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
McNinja wrote:If you take 20 friendly casualties for every 30 troops you drop due to friendly bombs exploding to close to them, that's a huge waste of resources and men.

If you were to do it in two waves, first waves paves the way with bombs, then the second wave comes in a drops grav-troops in, it could work.
Well, I would assume that the grav-chutes would make the troops' descend a little slower than the bombs. Would suck if they'd fall down with the same speed.
Also, they could sit in one of the last planes, or one on the outer edge of the formation, so as to minimize the risk of being hit by a bomb gliding past them.

Still some danger would probably persist in the form of blind shells or an unstable environment. But hey, at least the enemy will be distracted!

Doing this in multiple waves was done a few times in WW2 however, iirc. Including Market Garden and Overlord.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4319593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4319593.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
TermiesInARaider wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:The logistics behind dropping while bombing are foolish and impossible.

You NEVER see armies in todays world put bombing missions close to their own troops(besides laser guided bombs), because its a logistical nightmare. If you drop troops at the same time your bombing, your own troops willl take casualties.


This. Far too many things that can, and will, go wrong, not enough benefits.
I f you read what i said ( sorry didn't communicate it well ) the Drop troops deploy AFTER the Bombs are dropped
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4319848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4319848.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ? AA, and more FLAK. Yeah, not an ideal place for troops dropping.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4320109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4320109.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4320417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4320417.page GMT Re:Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
I can't remember which (the Autarch or something isn't it?), first the Deep strike location is selected then blasts are thrown around it and once the blasts are done the character lands.
I don't know the entire process its been a while since i faced it. feel free to correct.


You mean Stormtroopers deploying akin to the above with Bomber support?



The 91st are crazy enough to try it! i've already deep striked a Leman Russ
(to great effect, the Russ landed and killed nearly all the firedragons in a squad minus 2 and fugain or whatever his name is, before tearing open a wave serpent and a guardian squad)

Now to shove paratroopers out the back of a Bomber as the bombs blast below them. Im up for it!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4320445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4320445.page GMT Re:Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
Engine of War wrote:What about that mechanic the eldar use on one of their special units?

I can't remember which (the Autarch or something isn't it?), first the Deep strike location is selected then blasts are thrown around it and once the blasts are done the character lands.
I don't know the entire process its been a while since i faced it. feel free to correct.


You mean Stormtroopers deploying akin to the above with Bomber support?



The 91st are crazy enough to try it! i've already deep striked a Leman Russ
(to great effect, the Russ landed and killed nearly all the firedragons in a squad minus 2 and fugain or whatever his name is, before tearing open a wave serpent and a guardian squad)

Now to shove paratroopers out the back of a Bomber as the bombs blast below them. Im up for it!!


Ahh i see some one is thinking in a gerneral manner ...now imagine .......a Battalion of infantry and Hundreds of Bombers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4320452.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4320452.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ?
Veldrain wrote:Battlefield tactic 101 during an air raid. FLAK, AA, and more FLAK. Yeah, not an ideal place for troops dropping.


WW2??

This was extremely common during the second world war and I'm pretty sure the IG cares less about its troops getting flaked than commanders during that engagement ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4321832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4321832.page GMT Ever considered a Viable Tactic ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4322781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/451335/4322781.page GMT