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Chapter master
+ thunder hammer
+ artificer armour
+ hellfire rounds
180

Honour guard squad
+ 2 extra guys
+ thunder hammer
+ 4 relic blades
+ drop pod
295

Vulkan He'stan 190
190

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
+ death wing
+ locator beacon
240

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
+ death wing
+ locator beacon
240

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
+ death wing
230

10 stern guard
+ 2 melta guns
+ power fist
+ 8 combi meltas
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
370

10 stern guard
+ 2 melta guns
+ power fist
+ 8 combi meltas
+ drop pod
360

Venerable dreadnought
+ heavy flamer
+ drop pod
210

5 assault marines
(no jump packs)
+ thunder hammer
+ plasma pistol
+ flamer
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
165

Thunderfire cannon
100

5 devastators
+ 4 plasma cannons
190

5 devastators
+ 4 lascannons
230

3,000

The 4 drop pods with locator beacons will be the first to drop with the devastators & thunderfire cannon giving fire support. Vulkan will be travelling with 1 of the sternguard vet squads. What do you think?


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I might take the locator beacons off the tac squad pods & give them to the dread & 2nd sternguard squad so the tac squads can drop onto objectives later, I havn't decided yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4329428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4329428.page GMT TH/SS Termies instead and a LRR. Roll Green Tide. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4330379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4330379.page GMT TH termies in with a LRR & still had some points left so I dropped the assault squad (don't really like them & only had them to make up points) & put in another tac squad. This is what it looks like now;

Chapter master
+ thunder hammer
+ artificer armour
+ hellfire rounds
180

Vulkan He'stan
190

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
+ death wing
+ locator beacon
240

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
+ death wing
+ locator beacon
240

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
220

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
+ death wing
230

10 stern guard
+ 2 melta guns
+ power fist
+ 8 combi meltas
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
370

10 stern guard
+ 2 melta guns
+ power fist
+ 8 combi meltas
+ drop pod
360

5 assault terminators
(thunder hammer & storm shield)
+landraider redeemer
+multi melta
450

Thunderfire cannon
100

5 devastators
+ 4 plasma cannons
190

5 devastators
+ 4 lascannons
230

3,000]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4331397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4331397.page GMT tac squad. You can combat squad them and have the other 5 as bubble wrap.


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It might also be worth it to get a few extra marines (read also wounds) for the dev squads. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4338491.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4338491.page GMT
Drop Pods do not need deathwind lauchers, just keep them cheap.

Sternguard only need combi meltas. You do not want to swap the special ammo (which you pay for) for a meltagun, plus the combi meltas are twin-linked thanks to Vulkan.

Ideally a Vulkan list should be in Drop Pods with as much melta and flamers as possible. Dreadnoughts should be added for support and along with a unit of 10 Hammernators. Any points add Land Speeder with multi melta and heavy flamer. I've played against a list like this and it's deadly!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340221.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340221.page GMT
3,000 points Salamander list

Master of the forge
+ conversion beamer
+ thunder hammer
150

Vulkan He'stan
190

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
210

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
210

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
210

10 stern guard
+ 2 melta guns
+ power fist
+ 8 combi meltas
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
370

10 stern guard
+ 2 melta guns
+ power fist
+ 8 combi meltas
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
370

10 assault terminators
(thunder hammer & storm shield)
+landraider redeemer
+multi melta
850

Venerable dreadnaught
+ heavy flamer
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
220

Venerable dreadnaught
+ heavy flamer
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
220

3,000]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340328.page GMT MOTF probably doesn't need a conversion beamer as probably will be in a Drop Pod, if not in a Drop Pod and sitting back laying the smackdown, then the hammer isn't needed.

Still no need for meltaguns on the Sternguard, you are losing the special ammo. Just take combi meltas. Also ditch the power fist, you want to be shooting not in assault.

You don't want the Land Raider. It sticks out like a sore thumb in this list. It's the only mobile vehicle so to speak and will be blasted to bits first turn. The Hammernators derp strike using locator beacons and combat squad.

You probably don't need Venerables either, another Dreadnought would be loads better instead. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340380.page GMT
Master of the forge
+ thunder hammer
130

Vulkan He'stan
190

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
210

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
210

10 tactical marines
+ melta gun
+ combi melta
+ multi melta
+ drop pod
210

10 stern guard
+ 10 combi  meltas
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
345

10 stern guard
+ 10 combi  meltas
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
335

10 assault terminators
(thunder hammer & storm shield)
400

Landspeeder
+ multi melta
+ heavy flamer
70

Landspeeder
+ multi melta
+ heavy flamer
70

Venerable dreadnaught
+ heavy flamer
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
220

Venerable dreadnaught
+ heavy flamer
+ drop pod
+ locator beacon
220

Ironclad dreadnaught
+ heavy flamer
+ drop pod
210

3,000]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340478.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340535.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340535.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4340705.page GMT and that's what's going to happen when that Ironclad drops down in someone's face; it will get melta treatment. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4344396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4344396.page GMT I'll drop him for a normal dread. Now to figure out where to put the 30 points I save...


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I know, I'll give the 2 sternguard sergeants power weapons for a bit of CC insurance

Whilst I'm at it I think I'll drop the 2 ven dreads for normal dreads & add 2 land speeders with multi meltas]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4344690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4344690.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4345024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4345024.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4345438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452008/4345438.page GMT