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Tell me what the main weaknesses of this list will be, and what could be improved/added.

HQ:

Abaddon and Kharn - they'll each assault with their own squads, and while I understand they're pricey, I want them to function as anti-death star units.

Elites:

5-9 Termis with either MoK or MoT. I'm hoping with the new csm codex that they'll be given relentless or suitably beefed up to be somewhat worth their points. Otherwise, 5 termis with LC to go with abaddon.

Troops:

2 squads of 8-9 Berzerkers (I haven't read the chaos dex since 3ed, does the special number still give you a bonus?).

1 squad of 10 csm marines - given meltas and pf.

All troops in rhinos.

FA:

If I recall, FA sucked and I hated using bikes.

HS:

I have 2 LR from 10 years ago - I want to use them as a shield for the rhinos, run up, pop abaddon and termis out.

General gameplan is just get as assaulty as possible. I'm aware that an army like Tau or even crons will give me problems. Thoughts? The one bonus is that I have abaddon, kharn, the berzerkers, and the LRs already.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452021/4329692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452021/4329692.page GMT
I'd suggest 5 terminators with mark of Khorn and 5 lightning claws and upgrade each terminator to a champ for a crazy ton of attacks with re-rolls to wound. Put this squad in a land raider then in the other land raider I'd put Abaddon and possibly kharn or your berzerkers. The problem you have here is slightly awkward unit transport choices. The fact is, Abaddon, Kharn and khorne berzerkers all greatly benefit from a land raider, but you cannot give them all a land raider. Something is going to have to get the rhino and most likely it will be the berzerkers and maybe kharn.

I actually think your best set up would look something like this.

Land Raider: Abaddon and x4 terminators with combi meltas.
Land Raider: Kharn and khorne berzerkers.

Now send Abaddon's Land Raider at stuff with high toughness or armor value. Send the other Land Raider to kill some troops and/or claim an objective from you opponent.

Then have your csm and second berzerker squad behind those land raiders like you said. But these two rhinos are a little bit awkward I think so I don't know.

Another alternative that might be better is this.

Land Raider: Abaddon and Khorne berzerkers
Land Raider: Kharn and Khorne berzerkers
Rhino: csm

x3 terminators with x3 combi meltas for 105 pts deepstriking
x3 terminators with x3 combi meltas "
x3 terminators with x3 combi meltas "

Terminators deepstrike from behind and pop tanks while the Land Raiders advance to deliver the goods and eat the juicy insides. The rhino can remain mid field to shoot is meltas and claim the home point objective.

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I want the berzerkers for sure, and I want kharn. Other CSM are for shootiness.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452021/4332810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/452021/4332810.page GMT tbh Abaddon is overkill for most things. So bringing terminators with him normally is even more overkill. But the reason you would do so is to give the squad anti tank capabilities so that Abaddon can then assault the units inside the tank. Otherwise Abaddon only has bolters which can't break tank armor. Also, it is good to give Abaddon a few guys who can take some wounds for him in case he gets caught in the open and shot at.

The truth is right now everything is overpriced in the codex. If you're thinking about buying models, I'd wait until the new edition and new codex comes out. I've got my fingers crossed for feel no pain nurgle terminators! XD
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