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				<description><![CDATA[ I am competing in my first tournament in june and wanted to get some feed back on my list before I submit it. I think the competition will be grey kinghts, dark eldar, tyranids, necrons, deamons and of course space marines, vanilla and blood angels I think..... alot of these guys have played alot of tournaments. <br /> <br /> Rune Priest <br /> runic armour, wolftooth necklace, melta bombs, choser, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(425);'>LL</span> JWW <br /> 145pts <br /> <br /> Grey Hunters x8 <br /> meltagun, powerfist, standard, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span> <br /> 175pts <br /> <br /> Rhino <br /> extra armour <br /> 50pts <br /> <br /> Wolf Priest<br /> Wolftoth necklace, wolftail talisman, melta bombs, Saga of the Wolfkin<br /> 135pts<br /> <br /> Blood claws x 9<br /> Powerfist, plasma pistol, flamer<br /> 175pts<br /> <br /> Grey Hunters x10 <br /> meltagun x2, powerfist, plasma pistol, standard, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span> <br /> 220pts <br /> <br /> Rhino <br /> extra armour <br /> 50pts <br /> <br /> Grey Hunters x6 <br /> power fist, plasma gun, plasma pistol, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span><br /> 155pts <br /> <br /> Razorback <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> lascannon, extra armour <br /> 90pts <br /> <br /> Fenrisian Wolves x15<br /> Cyberwolf<br /> 128pts<br /> <br /> Long Fangs x6 <br /> missile launcher x5, <br /> <br /> Razorback <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> lascannon <br /> 75pts <br /> <br /> TOTAL <br /> 1488<br /> <br /> Please i would love some feedback, or assistance with tactics<br /> <br /> The missions are alot of capturing objectives, quarters, holding an objective. there are also 2 kill point missions so i need lots of trrops that wont conceed points.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Oh boy, You have a lot of work with this list...  Do You have Wolf Guards in Power Armor? <br /> The first suggestion would be dropping meltabombs on Long Fangs (why????) and Rune Priest, and taking Wolf Tail Talisman instead of necklace for him.<br /> <br /> I'd also drop the Wolf Priest, Blood Claws and Fen Wolves for another pack of Long Fangs and/or scouts. <br /> If You have those Wolf Guards, I'd have something to say about <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>GH</span> pack composition, if not, then keep them as they are, except they really do not need plasma pistols.....<br /> <br /> If You want to screw around with kill point missions, then a Lone Wolf of Two might be an interesting and quite competitive choice.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:First time tournament 1500 space wolves</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah i have wolf guard in power armour, but i dont want to run that, i want to try something different.<br /> <br /> I'm looking for feed back on how this list will do in a tournament with the mentioned competitors. and wasted points, or bad combos etc.<br /> <br /> melta bombs was to cover all the bases type thing.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I am interestd in your opinion for how they will go against a dark eldar army????<br /> <br /> Please guys i really need some feed back.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 30 May 2012 10:25:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok, I'm not the greatest Space Wolves player in the world as I only picked them up a couple of months ago but I'll give it a shot. <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Blocka wrote:</cite>Rune Priest <br /> wolftooth necklace, melta bombs, choser, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(425);'>LL</span> JWW <br /> 145pts </div></blockquote><br /> Ok, for one thing, I'd drop the Melta Bombs off him. Seriously you're going to use them so rarely they aren't worth it, I'd also drop the Wolftooth necklace as well. You don't really want your Rune Priest in combat, you want him where he can use his psychic abilities most effectively. I'd also give him Chooser of the Slain, giving your army some instant infiltration defence and making your Rune Priest BS5 over a lot of area of the board. I'd be tempted to pick up another Rune Priest with no chooser and Murderous Hurricane instead of probably Jaws, as with your meta one will probably suffice. Plus Murderous is really helpful against a lot of armies. <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Blocka wrote:</cite>Grey Hunters x8 <br /> meltagun, powerfist, standard, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span> <br /> 175pts <br /> <br /> Rhino <br /> extra armour <br /> 50pts </div></blockquote><br /> Good, I take it that these guys are a squad for the Rune Priest to sit in. I'd probably drop the extra armour off the Rhino though. <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Blocka wrote:</cite>Wolf Priest<br /> Wolftoth necklace, wolftail talisman, melta bombs, Saga of the Wolfkin<br /> 135pts<br /> <br /> Blood claws x 9<br /> Powerfist, plasma pistol, flamer<br /> 175pts</div></blockquote><br /> Ok, I think that this is a lot of points for something that isn't really going to accomplish much. I see what you're doing with the Wolf Priest and trying to make a hammer unit but you can take Grey Hunters for the same points cost as Blood Claws, and they are more flexible, the only advantage to Blood Claws is the additional attack on the charge but when you're WS3 it is likely that you are going to get butchered on the return hit anyway. I'd probably just drop this combo, as they're one of the few units that you have on foot they'll probably just get shot by all of your opponents anti-infantry fire at the beginning of the game anyway. These points are better spent elsewhere. <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Blocka wrote:</cite>Grey Hunters x10 <br /> meltagun x2, powerfist, plasma pistol, standard, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span> <br /> 220pts <br /> <br /> Rhino <br /> extra armour <br /> 50pts </div></blockquote><br /> Good, again, I'd probably drop the Extra Armour but it's not that big of a deal. <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Blocka wrote:</cite>Grey Hunters x6 <br /> power fist, plasma gun, plasma pistol, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span><br /> 155pts <br /> <br /> Razorback <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> lascannon, extra armour <br /> 90pts </div></blockquote><br /> Good, same with Extra Armour here as with the others. <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Blocka wrote:</cite>Fenrisian Wolves x15<br /> Cyberwolf<br /> 128pts</div></blockquote><br /> Not really sure what these are here to do. They're going to take 4 casualties and then run off the board. Drop these. <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Blocka wrote:</cite>Long Fangs x6 <br /> missile launcher x5, melta bombs <br /> <br /> Razorback <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> lascannon <br /> 75pts </div></blockquote><br /> Good, except I definately agree with dropping the Melta Bombs. You can't cover all of a squads weaknesses, it's just not possible, especially with long fangs. If you're worried about them getting tied up by a podding dreadnought, just shoot it, you have 5 missiles. I think that the main problem that is seen here is that you need more Long Fangs squads, 2 would suffice but 3 would be the best, laid out as 6 Long Fansgs with 5 Missile Launchers, no Melta Bombs. If you need additional points you could always drop the Razorback from this squad. <br /> <br /> Hope this is useful. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Here's the link to the other copy of this thread <a href="http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/451527.page#4340033" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/451527.page#4340033</a>]]></description>
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				<title>Re:First time tournament 1500 space wolves</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ OK, so I have had three lists on this forum and this is what I have made from all the feedback, Thanks guys your help is appreciated.<br /> <br /> Canis Wolfborn<br /> 185pts<br /> <br /> Fenrisian Wolf Pack x 15<br /> 120pts<br /> <br /> Rune Priest <br /> runic armour, wolftooth necklace, choser, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(425);'>LL</span> MH<br /> 140pts <br /> <br /> Wolf Guard <br /> power fist, combi melta <br /> 43pts <br /> <br /> Grey Hunters x8 <br /> meltagun, power axe, standard, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span> <br /> 165pts <br /> <br /> Rhino <br /> extra armour <br /> 50pts <br /> <br /> Wolf Guard <br /> power fist, combi melta <br /> 43pts <br /> <br /> Grey Hunters x9 <br /> meltagun, power axe, standard, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span> <br /> 180pts <br /> <br /> Rhino <br /> extra armour <br /> 50pts <br /> <br /> Wolf Guard <br /> wolf claw, combi plasma <br /> 38pts <br /> <br /> Grey Hunters x5 <br /> plasma gun, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span> <br /> 100pts <br /> <br /> Razorback <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> lascannon, <br /> 75pts <br /> <br /> Wolf Guard<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(332);'>TDA</span>, storm shield, cyclone launcer<br /> 78pts<br /> <br /> Long Fangs x6 <br /> missile launcher x5,<br /> 150pts<br /> <br /> Razorback <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> lascannon, <br /> 75pts <br /> <br /> What does everyone think?????<br /> I have two days to put this list in.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:12:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Slightly better. I'm just going to slip in a couple of quick suggestions.<br /> <br /> 1. More Long Fangs. Having all of your long range firepower based in one squad is going to work out badly. Your opponent is going to shoot the Long Fangs squad and then you're down to a shorter range game. At least a second identical squad. Maybe even a third. <br /> <br /> 2. The Canis / Fenrisian Wolf trick. This can work ok, but for the points I'm not a fan. You're using Canis to make the Fenrisians scoring and give them a good leadership, the problem with that is that Canis is tied to the unit so to speak, as you won't want to move him further than 12" away. Now you could put him in with the squad, but then if a Dreadnought charges into that squad, that's the end of them, as they'll never get out of that combat. I'd probably drop them, and then spend the points on a second Rune Priest with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(416);'>JOTWW</span> and MH and more Long Fangs. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:56:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ for a tourney, if you are being serious about it....ALOT of work to do on this.  <br /> <br /> Only 1 set of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(450);'>LF</span>'s in 1500 is probably tourney suicide,  such a cheap way to get alot of ST8 or ST9 shots, or ST7 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> templates.<br /> <br /> That aside.<br /> <br /> Here's where you wasted points, trying to go by your list as close as possible...since you have these figures and maybe nothing else.<br /> <br /> group 1<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(293);'>RP</span> - take out necklace, Melta bombs and runic armour <br /> <br /> Add one more grey hunter to your x8 for the rhino <br /> <br /> take off extra armour<br /> <br /> - that'll save you 70 points in total (+82 to reach 1500)<br /> <br /> Group 2<br /> <br /> 6 Grey Hunters in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Las, remove extra armour<br /> <br /> - save you 15 pts (+97 to reach 1500)<br /> <br /> Group 3 <br /> <br /> 6 grey hunters in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> las <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(112);'>rb</span><br /> <br /> Group 4<br /> <br /> Buy a land raider, go <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> las and Melta to make up for lack of long fang firing power<br /> <br /> put 9 guards, 2 powerfists and your wolf priest in there <br /> <br /> 597 point death star<br /> <br /> that takes you to 1192 if my quick math is right.<br /> <br /> 6 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(450);'>lfs</span> with 5 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>mls</span> = 140<br /> <br /> 1332<br /> <br /> + wolves = 1460<br /> <br /> use extra 40 points to give group 1 a powerfist or a couple of power weapons or whatever so they can pop tanks or monsterous things and you are there.<br /> <br /> the 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> las's basically are substitutes for your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(450);'>LF</span>'s that get your 6 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>Gh</span>'s in a position to work objectives....your land raider is your deathstar squad that goes and assualts the scariest thing on their side after softening it with it's heavy weapons....your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>Gh</span>'s and rune priest move to the middle of the board behind the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> to MH the opponent and slow them down and kill some.  Your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(450);'>LF</span>'s help support everything...wolves are your distraction.<br /> <br /> Still not a dominating list, but capable of beating most armies and most lists assuming you roll right and have the right tactics.  <br /> <br /> Forget Blood Claws <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>BTW</span>, the +2 charge doesn't make up for their Strength and Toughness in my experience.  The only thing you'd need to complete this list, assuming you don't have one, is one Land raider...and buy it this weekend...haha..<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(380);'>GL</span><br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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