<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) 40k i decided i wanted to go fantasy and vampires are my 2nd favorite fantasy in general race. So i made a 500 point list of them by looking up rules and such online (yes the current 8th edition and i plan on buying the book once i get started). I am also asking if this army is tournament legal or i can use it to play at most gaming stores that do Warhammer and if my army isn't legal please tell me how to fix it. thanks guys, here it is:

1x Vamp Hero - Summon Ghouls, Talisman of Lycni 125p

18x Crypt ghouls - champion 144p

3x Crypt horrors - crypt hunter 124p

2x Cairn wraiths - 100p

494p]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4373392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4373392.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4375456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4375456.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4375633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4375633.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
For 1 ghouls are 10 points each plus 10 for the unit champ so they should come in at 190 points and I dont know what Summon Ghouls or Talisman of Lycni are but they sound like a vamp power and item from the last book :/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4375770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4375770.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
jonolikespie wrote:Um.. are you sure the rules you were looking at is accurate?

For 1 ghouls are 10 points each plus 10 for the unit champ so they should come in at 190 points and I dont know what Summon Ghouls or Talisman of Lycni are but they sound like a vamp power and item from the last book :/

You know, I was just thinking that myself... I think you are looking at 7th edition and not 8th edition. Furthermore, Ghoul kings cannot be fielded at 500 points so Big Mek, he would have to wait for 1000 points I think for that suggestion. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4376661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4376661.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
Rivet wrote:
jonolikespie wrote:Um.. are you sure the rules you were looking at is accurate?

For 1 ghouls are 10 points each plus 10 for the unit champ so they should come in at 190 points and I dont know what Summon Ghouls or Talisman of Lycni are but they sound like a vamp power and item from the last book :/

You know, I was just thinking that myself... I think you are looking at 7th edition and not 8th edition. Furthermore, Ghoul kings cannot be fielded at 500 points so Big Mek, he would have to wait for 1000 points I think for that suggestion.

1040 for a ghoul king.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4380197.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4380197.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) lol. eh suppose thats what i get for looking around online rather the actual book but now im thinking:
Vampire - level 2 wizard 140p
20x crypt ghouls - champ 210p
5x hexwraiths - 150p
500 solid points

Sounds good for a tournament or what?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4381184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4381184.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4382821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4382821.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
waaghoroth7 wrote:oh woops lol. eh suppose thats what i get for looking around online rather the actual book but now im thinking:
Vampire - level 2 wizard 140p
20x crypt ghouls - champ 210p
5x hexwraiths - 150p
500 solid points

Sounds good for a tournament or what?

If it is for a tournie, its illegal, as you need at least 3 units + character in an army, unless they have waved that restriction.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4383900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4383900.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) 10x crypt Ghouls - champ 110p
18x skeleton warriors - camp, stantard, musician 120p
5x hexwraith's - 150p
500 total
Does this sound better?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4385000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4385000.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4385300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4385300.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4386088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4386088.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4386371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4386371.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
Big Mek Grodclog Mekgrim wrote:Good point. Since they're also not effected except for magical attacks, the Black Knights are more powerful.

Uhhhh yes they are, they are only counted as ethereal for the purposes of movement only, mundane attacks are still fair game.
That being said, in 500 points you will probably find the Hexwraiths doing more, how many magic weapons do you think will be in 500 points? Maybe 1 on a skaven or goblin, not much more than that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4386565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4386565.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) ah, my bad. Good thing is THEY have magical attacks!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4386709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4386709.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4386958.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4386958.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
Rivet wrote:Ah but one stray magic missile and they are toast. or a warp lightning cannon, there is plenty to drop them quicker than the Black Knights.


Case in point. At 500 points units that could stand up to Black Nights in due to large numbers will surely fall.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4388883.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4388883.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4389444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4389444.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
Big Mek Grodclog Mekgrim wrote: ah, my bad. Good thing is THEY have magical attacks!

If you mean Black Knights, that was in the last book when they had wight blades, now they just have KB

Rivet wrote:Ah but one stray magic missile and they are toast. or a warp lightning cannon, there is plenty to drop them quicker than the Black Knights.

A WLC at 500, bit too many points there I think and at 500 points, if your hexwraiths take a magic missile that's your raisable units not being hit, which allows you to make your big unit bigger.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4390934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4390934.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392219.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392383.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392383.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392441.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392441.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
MIght also be tempted to drop the Black Wights for a Vargulf and he does the job at 500pts better in my opinion

My two cents]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392689.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) Waves of zombies will still die in waves. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392702.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392702.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) shame about the Vargulf, Black Wights are the best option then really]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392718.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) WS 1, do not have armor or a parry save, and you are then relying on a spell to bring back enough of them to make up for how many will die. I would rather hit on 4s, wound on 4s, and have an armor and parry save than hit on 5s, wound on 5s and have no saves at all. Plus if Fear does go off the skeletons are hitting on 3s and the zombies are still hitting on 4s. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392747.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)

1x Necromancer - Master of the dead, level 2 wizard 120p

20x skeleton warriors - champion, stantard, musician 130p

10x crypt ghouls - ghast 110p

5x black knights - hell knight, standard, musician, 2x lances 139p

499 total
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Rivet wrote:You have to buy lances for all or none, it is not a per model purchase. Drop the Ghast and that should solve it

alright, any other suggestions because it looks like i got my final list? Thank you all for helping me out. I can't wait to get this army and starting playing. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392960.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4392960.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) Good luck!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4395402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4395402.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
If you're going for IoN, it would make more sense to have 2 units of Skeletons, so that each IoN rewards you with twice as many new skeletons as your current list does, as the IoN would affect both units assuming they are both within 6" of the Necro.

To be honest, though, whilst it seems efficient to use IoN at that points level as each new model is a greater percentage of the original army points value than in a larger list, it's no good having a great anvil if you have a rubber hammer.

I would personally go for wight king on barded steed running with 5 black knights with standard and musician, a spirit host, then that leaves 125 for your choice of core, almost certainly 21 Skeletons with musician and banner.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396628.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396639.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396897.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396897.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396905.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396917.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396917.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4396920.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) 1x Necromancer - Master of the dead, level 2 wizard 120p

20x skeleton warriors - champion, stantard, musician, the screaming banner 155p

20x zombies - standard, musician 80p

5x black knights - hell knight, standard, musician, 5x lances 145p
500 total]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4397609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4397609.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4398520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4398520.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
Big Mek Grodclog Mekgrim wrote:You'll want barding on the Black Knights.

why is that?
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Big Mek Grodclog Mekgrim wrote:They get a +1 to their armor save. So that means they have a 2+ save, and in a small unit, they can last longer.
well if i go to a tourny, i don't think i can play with the army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4399337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4399337.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4399470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4399470.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army)
Big Mek Grodclog Mekgrim wrote:How come? You just lower the skeletons some to make the points (master of the dead will work its magic for them).

no i mean if say i went into a Tournament with this army could i still play or no?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4399714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4399714.page GMT Re:500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4400646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4400646.page GMT 500 point Vampire counts (Will be my first fantasy army) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4400698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/454151/4400698.page GMT