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I don't mean like the expected GK+IG "I'll shell, you assault" sort gak, unexpected combos.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448531.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448577.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448581.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. IC's from other armies as allies - that alone already limits any nightmare combinations.

So if you're Space Marines, and you bring in Grey Knight allies, you can't bring in Draigo.

Past that, it's naturally a case of trying to augment an army - but you'll be paying a lot to get certain units in. You HAVE to get an IC (that's not unique), and troops, which is a lot of points just to get an allied Heavy Support, for example. As such, you'd have to consider IC's AND troops that could help you, or at least ones cheap enough to warrant bringing in that extra ally unit alone. They are effectively the price you're paying to do the codex jumping.

As an example: An Ork Big Mek, and a minimum unit of grots is 75pts - and now you have your pickings of the Ork army. Possibly using a Battlewagon with them inside, so that the mek can at least repair it if needed.

Then again, some a few lucky codices provide exactly what you may one just via the minimum - such as a Warboss with Trukkboyz - which could synergize well depending on your list.

As an Ork player, if I were going for Allies... I may go with necrons. A Phaeron overlord with Immortals itself may help a LOT for some ranged firepower that can endanger vehicles such as Landraiders from a relative distance, particularly considering how glances affect hull points. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448636.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448641.page GMT Re:6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/06/40k-allies-are-for-what.html]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448679.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. I wanted to do a Farsight army sheltering Imperial renegades.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448773.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448803.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448803.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. HQ unique characters? Like Bastonne? Probably not, but worth a shot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448818.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448818.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
eldar + dark eldar will be terrifying (venoms and fire dragons)

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448857.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. CSM and necrons, with all crypteks, you can still control the battlefield, necrons blast things apart with monoliths, arks and scythes, CSM charge in screaming "Blood for the Blood God!" /victory]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448913.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. http://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/vj64o/im_sitting_here_with_a_new_40k_rulebook_ama/c55orzn

Is he wrong?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448949.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. BA libby with shield with a GK libby with sancuary? Now its a 4+ cover for that LR!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448952.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. MC's via Tyranids.

Many editions ago rippers used to have ork DNA. Hence my attack squigs are rippers.

Death Company with an attached IC in a Stormraven would be great.

Wraiths and a Monolith with a KFF save would be entertaining. Orks were created for the sole purpose of defeating Necrons, but that was a long time ago.

A whole new world of possibilities. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448967.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
PipeAlley wrote:Well Orks could finally get some MC's via Tyranids.

Many editions ago rippers used to have ork DNA. Hence my attack squigs are rippers.

Death Company with an attached IC in a Stormraven would be great.

Wraiths and a Monolith with a KFF save would be entertaining. Orks were created for the sole purpose of defeating Necrons, but that was a long time ago.

A whole new world of possibilities.


Nnnnope. Tyranids can't ally with anyone. Orks and Necrons are allies of convenience, so they gain no benefit from each others powers, etc.

acekevin8412 wrote:Was reading the Reddit thread again and I found this:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/vj64o/im_sitting_here_with_a_new_40k_rulebook_ama/c55orzn

Is he wrong?

No idea! Bell of Lost Souls is more specific (particularly stating you can't), so I'd lean towards them in this case.

Regardless, we shall know when we get our hands on the rulebook!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4448991.page GMT Re:6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. DE player I see eldar as a dream companion for these reasons.

Fire Dragons and venoms. Dragons pop the mech while the venoms lay down the poison fire. They are much more reliable than blaster fire.
Pathfinders. Finally something that can camp a home objective and provide benefit to the battle as well. Much better than wracks.
Striking scoripions. Probably the only access to CC AP 2 that either army will have, unfortunately they conflict with Fire Dragons so it sounds like some playtesting is in order!
The big one for me is a Farseer (or Eldrad since I don't trust BoLS) with both runes, fortune and doom. I see two potential targets for fortune, wyches or an Archon (vect). Rerollable 4++ in CC is nice and if Lelith is there it can keep her alive longer. The thought of a 2++ rerollable...yes please!

The other is GK and BT.
Hammerhand, Might of Titan, and Quicksliver on a squad of FC BT terminators w/ PE is just amazing. S 7 LC with reroll on 1s to hit and to wound...not to mention the hammer with S=rediculous is nice.

PBS and Nemisis weapons from GK is also going to make some daemons very unhappy.
Daemon player "It's ok its just one wound that I need a Ld on at the end of the phase"
IG player: "Weaken Resolve"
Daemon player " "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4449020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4449020.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. CSM or a squad or a squadron of exterminator pattern leman russes...

I also have a small amount of necrons...

Cant wait for 6th ed already ...

Just wondering what is the legal requrirement to have an allied army with your main force? and can you mix everyones wargear's benefits, for example deep striking units of daemons with Icons of chaos from the CSM codex?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4455966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4455966.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. GW site, but I'm fairly certain there's no evidence you can't...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456025.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
I plan on tinkering around with all sorts of CSM and daemon combinations. I am thinking that with the change to rapid fire weaponry, that Thousand Sons will be somewhat viable. Yes, they are expensive and S&P, but they are a plodding wall of MEQ death. Back them up with Fateweaver, and they are going to be downright nasty.

I am wondering, will Fateweaver's bubble extend to the tableteop if he is flying?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456060.page GMT Re:6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
Kharrak wrote:'Ere you go.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/06/40k-allies-are-for-what.html


They why in gak are GW showing on their website unique characters on their allies page?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456067.page GMT Re:6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
KrimsunBaron wrote:


They why in gak are GW showing on their website unique characters on their allies page?


Silly, everyone knows the Gw website is a pile of poop Probably just an oversight, im sure it will all be worked out when the rulebook is released to everyone...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456165.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
acekevin8412 wrote:Well darn, that puts a dampener on things.
I wanted to do a Farsight army sheltering Imperial renegades.

Yay, I really hope this is true...

And I think the Allies rule is a little overstated. Sure it could bring up some powerful combos, but a lot of the ones people are mentioning are Allies of Desperation (especially Necrons) - I'm assuming that on a 1 the Allies don't do anything all turn (it says you roll a D6 and see if it passes). In a 6 turn game, that's probably going to happen once or twice. A lot of people are also planning on spending so many points on their Allies that they're totally neglecting good list-building for their own army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456450.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456450.page GMT Re:6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
Kharrak wrote:'Ere you go.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/06/40k-allies-are-for-what.html

Battle Brothers - these allies are truly friends and benefit from each other's universal special rules, psychic powers, and everything, they act as one force.
Does this mean that Eldar can fortune/guide dark eldar? Does this mean that eldar can benfit from a power from pain token?


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Andilus Greatsword wrote:And I think the Allies rule is a little overstated. Sure it could bring up some powerful combos, but a lot of the ones people are mentioning are Allies of Desperation (especially Necrons) - I'm assuming that on a 1 the Allies don't do anything all turn (it says you roll a D6 and see if it passes). In a 6 turn game, that's probably going to happen once or twice. A lot of people are also planning on spending so many points on their Allies that they're totally neglecting good list-building for their own army.
Agreed. If your building a competitive army, having a portion of your army do nothing 1 turn of every game on average is very bad. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456629.page GMT Re:6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
labmouse42 wrote:
Andilus Greatsword wrote:And I think the Allies rule is a little overstated. Sure it could bring up some powerful combos, but a lot of the ones people are mentioning are Allies of Desperation (especially Necrons) - I'm assuming that on a 1 the Allies don't do anything all turn (it says you roll a D6 and see if it passes). In a 6 turn game, that's probably going to happen once or twice. A lot of people are also planning on spending so many points on their Allies that they're totally neglecting good list-building for their own army.
Agreed. If your building a competitive army, having a portion of your army do nothing 1 turn of every game on average is very bad.


Let's not forget that even Battle Brothers can't give buddies rides.
Yeah, the Tau apparently trust Eldar enough to cast their warp-powered magicks on them but not enough to let them into their Devilfish.
I was writing a Counts as Psyker Kroot list with DE and Eldar, until I noticed that my Eldrad stand-in would have had to either walk or buy his own[expesive] wave serpent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456733.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. BA list with the new rules before branching out and further-complicating things. Sure there could be some really dangerous setups, but I'm living on a bit of a budget right now and I gotta make sure what flavours work well with my play-style, you know?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4456798.page GMT Re:6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
acekevin8412 wrote:
labmouse42 wrote:
Andilus Greatsword wrote:And I think the Allies rule is a little overstated. Sure it could bring up some powerful combos, but a lot of the ones people are mentioning are Allies of Desperation (especially Necrons) - I'm assuming that on a 1 the Allies don't do anything all turn (it says you roll a D6 and see if it passes). In a 6 turn game, that's probably going to happen once or twice. A lot of people are also planning on spending so many points on their Allies that they're totally neglecting good list-building for their own army.
Agreed. If your building a competitive army, having a portion of your army do nothing 1 turn of every game on average is very bad.


Let's not forget that even Battle Brothers can't give buddies rides.
Yeah, the Tau apparently trust Eldar enough to cast their warp-powered magicks on them but not enough to let them into their Devilfish.
I was writing a Counts as Psyker Kroot list with DE and Eldar, until I noticed that my Eldrad stand-in would have had to either walk or buy his own[expesive] wave serpent.

Good point. Although if you have access to a transport like a Stormraven you could, for example, put your Wolf Lord inside, right? But even then, I'd have to spend ~200pts just to be allowed to get that Stormraven and that's not worth it to me. I'm just gonna get a Stormeagle and see if my opponents will let Forge World units fly (pun intended).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4458750.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4458750.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. DE]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4459113.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4459113.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. ig platoons support fire.... No longer do I have to buy expensive horror units with 1 shot when I can buy inexpensive ig units with autocannons and lascannons not to mention astropaths and things will hurt fliers coming in/help me get more daemons in]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4459131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4459131.page GMT Re:6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo. MANZ, with Crisis Suits and Shas'o. I think it would be good fun to run. Note tgat this is just a dream combo. I haven't got the chart pulled up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4460698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4460698.page GMT Re:6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
Sisters and IG.

Take a fully kitted CC blob squad and straken, and Uriah Jacobus in the blob squad.

Suddenly... 5 sergeants and 1 commissar with 4 power weapon attacks each+45 guardsmen each getting 3 attacks on a charge/counterattack, rerolling misses on charges, Ld10 stubborn, Feel No Pain, and Furious Charge...and Faith points.

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Imotek + orks?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4477129.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4477129.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
Back to the topic, I would love to take some Tau with my eldar and guide up those shooty suckers. Also, depending how you read the rules, marker lights may or may not be used by allies. If they can, think about stripping cover saves from an army while shooting with eldar and tau.

I even like allying with yourself (double FOC at 2000) and taking 4 farseerswith one of them being eldrad. Or 2 seers, eldrad, and the avatar. Or even having more then 3 Fire prisms???

Or Dark eldar with a farseer pal. fortuned wyches or bloodbrides diving into a unit that was doomed led by a archon wit re-rollable 2++ saves]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4477645.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4477645.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
Razgriz22 wrote:You CAN take unique/ special characters as allies. Just watch out if you arent battle brothers because the other 2 kinds of allies are considered enemies that cant be targeted, attacked, shot, charged. So throwing eldrad in your (fill in te blank) army will just screw your own psykers if you take any. Transports can not be used from your ally as well.
Dark eldar with a farseer pal. fortuned wyches or bloodbrides diving into a unit that was doomed led by a archon wit re-rollable 2++ saves

not that it matters as DE have no psykers, but if they did, they wouldnt worry about a allied eldrad.

Not sure yet if Fortune can be cast on Dark Eldar as it specifically says Eldar unit. Of course, he could cast it on himself and then join the unit the archon is in.....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4477922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4477922.page GMT 6th Ed: Allies. Dream/Nightmare combo.
Exergy wrote:
Razgriz22 wrote:You CAN take unique/ special characters as allies. Just watch out if you arent battle brothers because the other 2 kinds of allies are considered enemies that cant be targeted, attacked, shot, charged. So throwing eldrad in your (fill in te blank) army will just screw your own psykers if you take any. Transports can not be used from your ally as well.
Dark eldar with a farseer pal. fortuned wyches or bloodbrides diving into a unit that was doomed led by a archon wit re-rollable 2++ saves

not that it matters as DE have no psykers, but if they did, they wouldnt worry about a allied eldrad.

Not sure yet if Fortune can be cast on Dark Eldar as it specifically says Eldar unit. Of course, he could cast it on himself and then join the unit the archon is in.....


I have the rule book. It specifically states that you may cast psychic powers on battle brothers as if they are friendly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4478103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457734/4478103.page GMT