<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Pre-Heresy Librarians?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Pre-Heresy Librarians? HQ. What color was Librarian armor before the Codex Astartes? Was it normal Legion colors? What about Techmarines/Chaplains? I don't recall any of the HH novels I've read mentioning it being a specific color, but I want to make sure before I put paint to mini. Thanks!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4448559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4448559.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4448816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4448816.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians?
So there probably weren't any specific colours, unless the people were superstitious and marked their psykers differently....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4450629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4450629.page GMT Re:Pre-Heresy Librarians? HH series either.

I think I remember something in the first DA book. But I don't think it was colors.

Keys? The skull with horns?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4450708.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4450708.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians? not distinguish themselves between battle-brothers as they do now. Regular rank and file with some majicky warp goodness. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4451071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4451071.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians? The Primarchs, there was a mention of the (former) librarians' blue tabards, but I don't have the book on hand to check.

In general, given the confusing and much-retconned morass of background surrounding the pre-heresy librarium, I'd just do whatever you felt looked best, or otherwise wait for Forge World's heresy books to provide a definitive answer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4451088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4451088.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians?
Von Chogg]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4452649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4452649.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians?
English Assassin wrote:I've the vague feeling that in the Lion's story in The Primarchs, there was a mention of the (former) librarians' blue tabards, but I don't have the book on hand to check.

He put them in blue robes after he decided to reinstate them. There's no indication that this was or was not their pre-Nikea attire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4453617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4453617.page GMT Re:Pre-Heresy Librarians? Collected Visions.

Bear in mind the council of Nicea outlawed the use of Librarians in battle, and some Legions had banned them in their entirety even prior to that (such as Mortarion and the Death Guard)

But we do know that both Techmarines and Apothecaries were in their legion standard colours (with one exception, an example of a white apothecary in Collected Visions - but he has mk7 armour as well, so not sure if the artistic license got stretched a bit there). Therefore it would be logical for the Librarians to follow suit.

Also, another thing to think about when making a Pre-Heresy army is that you have to think of ways to differentiate your year 30,000 Legion from their standard, 40,000 contemporaries. One way of doing this (along with not including Chaplains) is to have marines in these specialist roles in standard coloured armour, especially for the loyalist Legions where you need to do everything you can to differentiate them as 30k marines.

Pretty much every PH Librarian I have seen has been in their Legion colours. But, I guess it ultimately comes down to what you think looks better!

Which Legion are you planning on collecting by the way?

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I just checked the old RT era booklet that came with the space marine paint set "Space marine painting guide". It gives details and how-tos on how to paint blood angels, ultramarines, salamanders, and space wolves. For all of those chapters, the colors for librarians are as chapter, with a book marking.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4454345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4454345.page GMT Re:Pre-Heresy Librarians? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4454381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4454381.page GMT Re:Pre-Heresy Librarians?
Pacific wrote:

Which Legion are you planning on collecting by the way?



I'm doing Imperial Fists, and planning on including Blood Angel allies, as my army is set around the time of the Siege of Terra. I was originally planning on having a captain for my HQ, but then I managed to snag a Sevrin Loth off of ebay for only one arm and half a leg, so I'll have a Libby too. Thus the reason for starting this thread.

Thanks to everyone for the responses, by the way!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4454826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4454826.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4456602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4456602.page GMT Re:Pre-Heresy Librarians? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4464772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4464772.page GMT Re:Pre-Heresy Librarians?
thefarseerofnorthryde wrote:I'm pretty sure that the librarian colour was blue, since Ultramarines started the idea of the Librarius, and so on....


The idea was a thousand sons one.. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4464779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4464779.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians?
Manchu wrote:The Siege of Terra happened after the Council of Nikaea and before the promulgation of Codex Astartes. Thus, it's reasonable to assume that the office of Librarian was still suppressed among the Loyalists. Since Librarians would not have officially existed at the Siege, they certainly wouldn't have been dressed a certain way. Problem solved.


I thought the Emperor reinstated them at the Seige to fight enemy psykers?

But, no they would have worn the standard garb.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4464983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4464983.page GMT Re:Pre-Heresy Librarians?

Von Chogg wrote:

Librarians didn't really distinguish themselves, and would just use their powers in battle as if it were any other weapon. And chaplain did NOT exist. As the emperor didn't want anything like that.


There were Chaplains in the legions as far as a remember, the Emperor started the Chaplain edict, which was where chaplains were sent between the legion to learn from each other.

I think techmarines were red because it is the sacred colour of the Adeptus Mechanicus. The tech priest robes/ tabards are red during the pre-heresy crusades. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4469089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4469089.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians? EC had either though. I know they didn't have Libbies because they saw the psyker gene as a flaw and by that reasoning they didn't need Chaplains.


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thefarseerofnorthryde wrote:I'm pretty sure that the librarian colour was blue, since Ultramarines started the idea of the Librarius, and so on....

The Codex colors Techmarines Red and Apothecaries White and Chaplains Black. I don't think the color choice had anything to do with the Ultramarines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4469860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4469860.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians? maybe some blue robes, or the horned skull?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4473891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4473891.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians?
Deadshot wrote:The Word Bearers had Chaplains before the Council of Nikea. And after the Council so did everyone. They were sworn to prevent Libbys doing anything with their powers and kill them if they did. I don't think EC had either though. I know they didn't have Libbies because they saw the psyker gene as a flaw and by that reasoning they didn't need Chaplains.



The EC had Chaplains as Lucius kills one in 'Galaxy in Flames' (I believe his name was Chamoseon? Not completely sure).

arkhamjack wrote:I'm doing Imperial Fists, and planning on including Blood Angel allies, as my army is set around the time of the Siege of Terra. I was originally planning on having a captain for my HQ, but then I managed to snag a Sevrin Loth off of ebay for only one arm and half a leg, so I'll have a Libby too. Thus the reason for starting this thread.


Ah great, glad you have an arm left so at least you will be able to paint him! I know what you mean about Sevrin though, it's a great shame it is not possible to buy him without his 'honour guard' (which don't really fit in with the aesthetic of my World Eaters) and £30 is too much for 1 model, however nice.

If you are doing the Seige of Terra a lot more goes. The mk6 (beaky) armour was in use then, as were things such as Vindicators. I like the idea of a mix of IF and BA, perhaps where they are in battered/repaired looking armour, with lots of wreckage and dirt modelled onto their bases. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4474555.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4474555.page GMT Re:Pre-Heresy Librarians?
1hadhq wrote:
thefarseerofnorthryde wrote:I'm pretty sure that the librarian colour was blue, since Ultramarines started the idea of the Librarius, and so on....


The idea was a thousand sons one..

I see]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4497092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4497092.page GMT Re:Pre-Heresy Librarians? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4498159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4498159.page GMT Pre-Heresy Librarians? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4498598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/457739/4498598.page GMT