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Warboss (Pwklaw, cyborg body, attack squig, boss pole)
Nob biker with cyborg body
Nob biker with cyborg body and ammo runt
Nob biker with cyborg body and big choppa
Nob biker with cyborg body and Pwklaw
Nob biker with cyborg body, Pwklaw and Waaaagh! banner
Painboy biker with cyborg body

The main quires I have are concerning cover saves, FNP, wound allocation, ect.

So basically, have they been nerved or improved? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4475209.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4475209.page GMT Nob bikers
But anyway, the new edition makes you use the T in brackets (). So Bikers get +1 toughness and you use that total in everything.
So you can avoid ID with the nobs, and if they have 2 wounds, thats pretty good

Not much help, but just letting you know]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4475306.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4475306.page GMT Nob bikers
toughness it now increased by +1 for all purposes so nob bikers only killed to str10 for instant death... warboss is toughness 6 for all purposes so immune to str10 instant death

fnp now nerfed to 5+ but works for anything that doesn't casue instant death ie anything under str 10 you get 5+ cuybork and fnp

overall bikes got a nice buff though wound shenanagins are lessened so i'll be takign 10 nob bikers some that just go up front and in the middle for look out sir rolls]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4475323.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4475323.page GMT Nob bikers ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4475544.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4475544.page GMT Nob bikers
So I fire 10 bolters at a squad of nob bikers.
You allocate one to the closet guy, he fails his save.
You allocate the next one to him, but I LOS with another nob on a 4+. If I pass, it goes to the other guy. If I don't, the first guy dies.
Rinse repeat.

Not quite as good as Wound allocation in all ways, but in some ways better. (You can force the LOS wounds onto choppa / slugga.)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4475568.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4475568.page GMT Nob bikers Granted its more risky, but he can't be ID'd, and hence I can drop him back if he loses a wound.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4476009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4476009.page GMT Nob bikers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4476037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4476037.page GMT Nob bikers pk. he rides out front along with 4 regular nob bikers with only cybork upgrades. the warboss look out sirs anythign under str 10 to them and takes his 5+ inv and 5+ fnp against str 10 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4476128.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4476128.page GMT Nob bikers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4476214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4476214.page GMT Nob bikers WB-----
1--2---3----4---
-5--6--7--8--
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wb is warboss

1,4,9 and 10 are sacraficial nob bikers with the good stuff in the middle

1 and 4 protect the warboss mostly from up to str 10

str 10 on warboss

9 and 10 take wounds for 5 6 7 8 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4476396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4476396.page GMT Nob bikers
On top of this, these nob bikers (slightly tweaked) plus some grots are my standard school league list, and in 5th they mullered everything they could lay their hands on, they were nigh unstoppable.
I was wondering whether they still hold the same competitive edge in 6th, or whether I should swap out 1 or 2 bikers for some Lootas. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4485456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4485456.page GMT Nob bikers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4485536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4485536.page GMT Nob bikers one question: what about fliers?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4485924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4485924.page GMT Nob bikers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4486060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4486060.page GMT Re:Nob bikers Imo you could swap couple of bikers to Lootas, they are always awesome, especially now when they can glance enemy tanks to death.
In the flyer section dakkajet seemed decent, popping 9 TL s6 shots a turn (18 on the Waaaagh!!! - turn). Haven't tried it yet, but it seemed fun atleast ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4486342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4486342.page GMT Nob bikers how many points are the 3 planes btw?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4486700.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4486700.page GMT Nob bikers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4486738.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4486738.page GMT Re:Nob bikers Don't have the WD with me, but if I remember correctly dakkajet is 110pts + extra supashoota 10pts.
Couple of points more (5?) for the fighta ace upgrade so you can shoot other fliers easily.
The other planes cost few points more.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4488089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4488089.page GMT Nob bikers GW didn't update it, I don't think.

The other option is allied Guard for cheap Hydras or Vendettas (this is what I may be doing).
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pretre wrote:Check your rulebook, but basically they all count as characters.

So I fire 10 bolters at a squad of nob bikers.
You allocate one to the closet guy, he fails his save.
You allocate the next one to him, but I LOS with another nob on a 4+. If I pass, it goes to the other guy. If I don't, the first guy dies.
Rinse repeat.

Not quite as good as Wound allocation in all ways, but in some ways better. (You can force the LOS wounds onto choppa / slugga.)


How is it that they are all characters?? The way I see it a painboy is a character in a nobz unit just like a nob is a character in the boyz unit. But nobz cannot be characters in nobz units. I think the way you describe the shooting is correct though. But if they are characters that has implications in challenges.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4491804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4491804.page GMT Nob bikers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4491930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4491930.page GMT Nob bikers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4492046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4492046.page GMT Nob bikers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4492590.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4492590.page GMT Nob bikers
What main force would you take using Nob Bikers as allies?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4494311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4494311.page GMT Re:Nob bikers
I'm considering running them as a death star ally with my Crons, night fight to get in to position and pound away.

Orcs:
Warboss + 5 Nobs + Nob Painboy clocks in just over 500

Crons:
2 Chariot Sythe Lords
Pulse Teks
Couple of warrior blobs with Ghost arcs
Handful of scarabs
2-3 annihilation barges

Makes for a pretty nasty 1850 list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4494543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4494543.page GMT Nob bikers

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HQ:
Warboss
Power Klaw, Warbike, Attack Squig, Cybork, Ammo Runt
[153]

Warboss
Power Klaw, Warbike, Attack Squig, Cybork, Ammo Runt
[153]

Troops:
(10) Nob Bikers
Painboy, Cybork, 2x PKs, Waaagh! Banner, Bosspole
[600]

(10) Nob Bikers
Painboy, Cybork, 2x PKs, Waaagh! Banner, Bosspole
[600]

(19) Grots
Runtherd
[67]

(19) Grots
Runtherd
[67]

Fast Attack:
Dakkajet
Supa Shoota
[120]

Dakkajet
Supa Shoota
[120]

Dakkajet
Supa Shoota
[120]

[2000]

Something like that. Gimmicky, but gruesome. Those two scoring T5 deathstars with LoS!, 4+ Cover, 5+ FNP & Invuln, and 4+ Armor and 2W seem absolutely unstoppable. The old answer was the Thundernator - but not anymore! Yes, S8 will wound easily, but with a 5+/5+, we can actually save ourselves instead of just taking a model off the table for every wound. Just steer clear (lol) of Medusas and things like that.

The trio of Dakkajets are there expressly to Waaagh! and gun down enemy aircraft. Most of them will be at most AV12 and 2-3 HP, meaning enough Supa-Shoota shots can strip their HP with glances.

Obviously, the Gretchin just go into cover on your home objective (put it in ruins!) and hope for the best. Maybe your opponent will be so busy wasting time on your twin deathstars that they forget about the little ones.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4494827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4494827.page GMT Nob bikers Allies wise, what can orks ally with?
and what would you the for a 600 point list?

oh, and em-en-oh-pee, your grot tactics aren't perfect. What I do it don't deploy them; sit them in reserve. hold them in reserve as one as you can. In the last few turns run them onto the objectives. they die less often ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4495617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4495617.page GMT Nob bikers FNP save; now, you have only a 4+ warbike exhaust save followed by a 5+ FNP save. This means that, in practice, small arms will have double their previous effect against Nob Bikers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4496084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4496084.page GMT Nob bikers FNP is nice, but no one shot you with anything that you got any save beyond 5+ Invuln anyhow, because a Lascannon and Melta would do the trick, so small arms weren't wasted. The fact they are T5 with a 4+/5+ will keep them from dropping fast and they hit hard, especially the Boss and the two Klaws.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4496106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4496106.page GMT Nob bikers imo) but I always was slaughtered by them, so thats okay. I actually did better than I usually do tbh.

So, has anyone got tactics for killing dark elder with them?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4497128.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4497128.page GMT Nob bikers
em_en_oh_pee wrote:3+ Turbo on turns you don't do anything - so not a constant. I think being able to take that 5+ against any wound that isn't double toughness really helps. A 4+ FNP is nice, but no one shot you with anything that you got any save beyond 5+ Invuln anyhow, because a Lascannon and Melta would do the trick, so small arms weren't wasted. The fact they are T5 with a 4+/5+ will keep them from dropping fast and they hit hard, especially the Boss and the two Klaws.

Comparing T4(5) and 3+/4+ in 5th ed with t5 and 4+/5+ in 6th ed is a pretty good trade-off. If you use them causing havoc, they should do very well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4497210.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4497210.page GMT Nob bikers Is that a technical term? Or literally just 'cause some havoc in the enemy lines'

Also, thinking about tactics, turbo boost no longer has any benefit to the cover save for bikers - as such, wouldn't it be a better tactic just to move 12" first turn, shoot and then charge second turn?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4497431.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4497431.page GMT Nob bikers
walker90234 wrote:Use them causing havoc?
Is that a technical term? Or literally just 'cause some havoc in the enemy lines'

Also, thinking about tactics, turbo boost no longer has any benefit to the cover save for bikers - as such, wouldn't it be a better tactic just to move 12" first turn, shoot and then charge second turn?

Just causing havoc in the enemy lines.
Both tactics are viable depending on enemy and deployment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4497911.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4497911.page GMT Nob bikers With Deldar i'm just going to have to shoot down the raiders and massacre the contents.
Also, what warlord traits should I go for?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4497999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4497999.page GMT Nob bikers ID by psydreads. I may have to bring them back out. That 2000 point list looks like a lot of fun... 20 nob bikerz and 3 flyers with some grots... yes please.

As far as Dark Eldar go... their a pain in the ass anyways. Lootas would make quick work of them... also your dakka guns would bring their vehicles down pretty quick.

please keep me posted on how your Nob Bikers perform.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4498213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4498213.page GMT Nob bikers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4498532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4498532.page GMT Nob bikers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4499033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4499033.page GMT Nob bikers
pretre wrote:Which works great until someone attacks you from behind.


Having played 2nd edition, I can tell you it's much more complicated than that. If one's opponent isn't extremely careful, one can fairly easily target specific models in an opposing unit by moving one's own units closest to the desired targets. I remember playing a kid who had a Space Wolf army with my Dark Angels. He had two special-weapon terminators and I had two multi-melta attack-bikes. He had the termies in a loose formation and I moved my bikes to target the specials and killed them both in the first shooting phase. The kid wanted to quit right then.

Even with a conga-line formation, people will be able to move past the beginning of your line and target the models you don't want targeted. Unless you've got a big, honking unit, you aren't going to be able to hide the good stuff, especially against anything remotely fast.

In addition to hosing recent tactics, this change will hose recent unit builds; that single Storm Shield upgrade is going to be of much less use henceforth.

Sorting out which armies, units, upgrades, and tactics are going to work well is all a great deal more trouble than I feel like going to these days . I'm thinking of playing my power-blob IG and my Kan-Wall Orks for a while. As much as anything else it's just because I don't take either one very seriously.


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walker90234 wrote:i meant taking out fliers, but i suppose your advice fits in with that.
how many points are the 3 planes btw?


Orks aren't much worse at shooting flyers than they are anything else. Twin-linked Dakka guns should be well suited for the task. The general abundance of twin-linked weaponry the Orks possess should serve them well against flyers. Ork Buggies should be awesome against flyers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4499830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4499830.page GMT Nob bikers HOWEVER what should I pour the other 900 points into?
Either more orks (that previous ork list) OR an allies detachment. I'm thinking necrons or tau
thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4521086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459015/4521086.page GMT