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Glances on every 6. Night fighting every game means the lightning IC is going to see a ton of play. Jink helps them out a lot. I honestly can not think of a nerf that effects them....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487373.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487373.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487379.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
As an added note I know who lost by far BT....so sad, diddn't even get a cumlitative page thought the whole book, on top of a HORRIBLE faq.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487380.page GMT Re:Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487425.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?

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Just wait for more books to pop up]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487599.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487612.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4487612.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Seriously, this is a waste of time. No one "won" 5th or any of the other editions.


The Space Wolves, Imperial Guard and Grey Knights disagree with your sentiment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488161.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
How have the BT been nerfed in 6th?


Wolf]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488171.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ? GK. However, as of June 30th....... 1D4Chan put it best, Necrons are now a Rape train without brakes, and the irony of it all gives me a good chuckle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488189.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
Bwolf999 wrote:@Cain.

How have the BT been nerfed in 6th?


Wolf


No more Preferred Enemy, Emperor's Champion can't be the Warlord so we have to pay for an HQ, no Characters other than our HQs. Land Speeder Typhoons, one of our only good units, now has 2 Hull Points. Furious Charge no longer grants bonus I.

Buff-wise, we more or less only got the improved 2+ saves that everyone else got.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488199.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ? DW at the moment, those 2 have recieved some of the best buffs, not necessarily the biggest but it has made them rise from the bottom tier (i put DW up there with guard BA etc now) I'd put tau a solid mid tier now with the adition of allies ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488207.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488207.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
well It is kind of sucky that they decided to get rid of preffered enemy, but rage is pretty great IMO, and yeah it is pretty stupid that we HAVE to have 2 HQ's but I still feel that 6th hasnt nerfed them too much

Wolf]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4488319.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ? GKs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4502687.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4502687.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
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timetowaste85 wrote:Visually, on paper it's necrons. But play testing and generalship will decide in the end. Daemons got really good too. I hope GKs are dead. Space wolves too.


I have been playing Space Wolves since Space wolves came out in White Dwarf, I owned Rogue trader, and I still remember the original rules for Grey Knight terminators where the whole squad were Terminator Librarians, they were cool as hell. I just could never justify shelling out the money for an entire metal army.

An comments like yours bug the crap outa me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4502915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4502915.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Bwolf999 wrote:@Cain.

How have the BT been nerfed in 6th?


No more Preferred Enemy,


BTs had access to army-wide Preferred Enemy, but did anybody really think they were going to keep that?!?
Everybody except the die-hard head-in-the-sand-types knew that this was coming.
You now have Rage instead, which isn't a bad ability at all.


Emperor's Champion can't be the Warlord so we have to pay for an HQ,


Just like he couldn't be a mandatory HQ (unless you played 750 or below) before. Nothing has changed.

no Characters other than our HQs


Yes, the changes to Characters has indeed hit BTs pretty hard. I will certainly give you that.

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Land Speeder Typhoons, one of our only good units, now has 2 Hull Points.


This applies equally to every army that can take Typhoons

Furious Charge no longer grants bonus I.


Again this applies equally to every army in the game. My Orks don't enjoy hitting after Imperial Guardsmens either....thems the breaks.

Buff-wise, we more or less only got the improved 2+ saves that everyone else got.


Why did you assume that a buff was forthcoming, needed or indeed deserved?
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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Seriously, this is a waste of time. No one "won" 5th or any of the other editions.



Grey Knights say hi ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4502998.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4502998.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4503013.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4503013.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4503017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4503017.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
And really if tournys let broken things like allies and forts in I dont see why forgeworld is still frowned upon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4503038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4503038.page GMT Re:Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
After looking at the rulebook and comparing the pagecounts and contents, I'm tempted to say "the same army that got the most out of all editions before - Space Marines".
Which sadly isn't surprising at all, tho.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4503058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4503058.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
JohnnoM wrote:What aspects of daemons got good?


From what my friends have said regarding a recent game, it's the fact that winged daemons are now flying monstrous creatures, which are ridiculously difficult to bring down. When they stay in the air, they can only be hit on 6s (barring Skyfire), have high toughness, multiple wounds, and decent saves. We had one of our resident daemon players play a game against one of our resident IG players, and the daemon player absolutely wiped the floor with him. IIRC, the daemon player had him tabled by turn 3.

Overall, I'd say that Daemons got a boost, Tau got a decent boost (mostly because getting charged isn't an automatic death sentence now, what with overwatch potentially stopping a charge dead in its tracks) and Necrons are damned powerful with virtually everything in their codex able to take on vehicles in one form or another. Judging by a few of our games, IG got a hair nastier too, since Leman Russes are now not only capable of dealing with vehicles, but able to do damage to multiple vehicles at once, depending on how close they are to each other. Had a game with IG and Necrons against Chaos and Wolves, and the IG just shredded every transport within a couple of turns.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4504576.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4504576.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ? VP 11-2, had one model left). Eldar definitely have recieved a lot more boosts then nerfs, with increased movement distances, better firing for fast skimmers, Eldar Jetbikes moving 36" total with a flat-out move - not to mention lots of previously "bad" Eldar units are now viable again. (see swooping hawks, Vypers, etc).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4504604.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4504604.page GMT Which Army is the Winner in 6th ed ?
Steelmage99 wrote:
Emperor's Champion can't be the Warlord so we have to pay for an HQ,

Just like he couldn't be a mandatory HQ (unless you played 750 or below) before. Nothing has changed.


Except he explictly could. It was even in the FAQ, not to mention that it follows RAW.

Steelmage99 wrote:
BTs had access to army-wide Preferred Enemy, but did anybody really think they were going to keep that?!?
Everybody except the die-hard head-in-the-sand-types knew that this was coming.
You now have Rage instead, which isn't a bad ability at all.


Why would we expect GW to Errata it away? It only applies in Close Combat due to the wording in the Codex, it got worse in 6th and we've just had an entire edition of having Preferred Enemy. I wasn't expecting it to stay in a new Codex, but having it removed in an FAQ? Yeah, everyone TOTALLY saw that one coming...

Steelmage99 wrote:
Land Speeder Typhoons, one of our only good units, now has 2 Hull Points.


This applies equally to every army that can take Typhoons


Yes, except those other armies aren't as reliant on their Typhoons to be competetive.

Steelmage99 wrote:
Furious Charge no longer grants bonus I.

Again this applies equally to every army in the game. My Orks don't enjoy hitting after Imperial Guardsmens either....thems the breaks.


It doesn't matter too much in the case of Orks. LC Terminators were good with the I5 bonus because they got to strike before their intended target (MEQ/TEQ). Guardsmen aren't going to suddenly beat Orks in CC just because they get to hit first, whereas it makes a whole world of difference in the case of LC Terminators Between Lightning Claws being AP3, Furious Charge no longer granting extra I and the loss of PE our only good CC unit got nerfed, a nerf that the changes to Power Weapons won't outweigh.

Steelmage99 wrote:

Buff-wise, we more or less only got the improved 2+ saves that everyone else got.


Why did you assume that a buff was forthcoming, needed or indeed deserved?


Oldest Codex in the game, one semi-competetive build and (misguided) faith that GW wouldn't just take away half the good things in our book. I was wrong though, our Bikes and Assault Marines were obviously buffed a little as well. If every single CSM player gets to expect buffs (and they should, that book's silly) then why can't BT players do the same. Our book's in a similar position at the moment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4504605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/459748/4504605.page GMT