Tiger9gamer wrote:I was actually thinking for a defense line to deep strike a terminator squad behind/near the AA to at least provide a distraction.

Tiger9gamer wrote:oh? you can do that?

htj wrote:You're going to want to try and knock out skyfire weapons before your flyers hit the board. Failing that, focus you flyers' firepower on any AA threats as soon as they enter play.

chaos0xomega wrote:Termies on the deep strike won't murder anything in cc... they can't assault, remember? You're going to need to hit it with melta/missiles, etc.

As for the original question: Take more than 1 flyer?? They are definitely the sort of things that become more effective as you increase their quantity, especially against armies where Skyfire is limited to one or two weapons. I can handle one flyer alright, maybe two... but when I have to face 5 (like i did last night) I am absolutely helpless...

KrimsunBaron wrote:

htj wrote:You're going to want to try and knock out skyfire weapons before your flyers hit the board. Failing that, focus you flyers' firepower on any AA threats as soon as they enter play.

The flyer has better things to do than that.
Remember skyfire isn't a auto death for the flyer.

Just target it with your army before they arrive as said.

Grey Templar wrote:Vanilla marines can't put Terminators in Drop Pods(aside from ICs in TDA) as its not a DT for them.


As for dealing with Skyfire.

Quadguns only have a 48" range. Depending on where the gun is you might be able to come in outside its range to avoid the Interceptor shot. Then next turn your Flyer can move up and smoke the gun emplacement.

Tiger9gamer wrote:I know that there was a forum topic about how you will deal with flyers, but how will a player deal with all the skyfire weapons thats coming out? Especially the bastions with quad guns and all the other things, My flyer doesn't really feel safe enough.

Vaktathi wrote:

Tiger9gamer wrote:I know that there was a forum topic about how you will deal with flyers, but how will a player deal with all the skyfire weapons thats coming out? Especially the bastions with quad guns and all the other things, My flyer doesn't really feel safe enough.

There's a couple of terrain pieces and 1 unit that have Skyfire. Your flyer is fine. With most armies, you'll face 1 skyfire weapon max at this point.

If you are building some sort of flying circus list and you happen to run into an IG player fielding 9 Hydras and an Aegis line with a quad gun, well, then you may have an issue. Aside from that, your flyers are probably going to be difficult to engage.

Keep in mind you'll have a turn or two to mitigate or destroy an opponent's likely minimal AA capabilities, if they even exist at all, and your flyers can engage and destroy the AA weapons before they get a chance to respond.

Tiger9gamer wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Vanilla marines can't put Terminators in Drop Pods(aside from ICs in TDA) as its not a DT for them.


As for dealing with Skyfire.

Quadguns only have a 48" range. Depending on where the gun is you might be able to come in outside its range to avoid the Interceptor shot. Then next turn your Flyer can move up and smoke the gun emplacement.

blast it, there goes one plan. although I could do the same with an ironclad dreadnaught for less points (dropping behind enemy lines to take things out) so there is that idea.

The weapon I like to pick for my stormtalon is the lascannons, although I can try other weapons. what would be the best weapon for ground targets?

Tiger9gamer wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

Tiger9gamer wrote:I know that there was a forum topic about how you will deal with flyers, but how will a player deal with all the skyfire weapons thats coming out? Especially the bastions with quad guns and all the other things, My flyer doesn't really feel safe enough.

There's a couple of terrain pieces and 1 unit that have Skyfire. Your flyer is fine. With most armies, you'll face 1 skyfire weapon max at this point.

If you are building some sort of flying circus list and you happen to run into an IG player fielding 9 Hydras and an Aegis line with a quad gun, well, then you may have an issue. Aside from that, your flyers are probably going to be difficult to engage.

Keep in mind you'll have a turn or two to mitigate or destroy an opponent's likely minimal AA capabilities, if they even exist at all, and your flyers can engage and destroy the AA weapons before they get a chance to respond.

I am honestly more worried that the next forge world book will have a crud tone of AA guns that will rip apart my one storm talon.

I thought of some ways to get rid of a pesky AA gun so you have complete air supremacy:

iron clad dreadnaught in a drop pod with either a chainfist or a seismic hammer w/ melta gun and hunter killer missiles.

5 tactical terminators w/ assault cannon and chainfist

suicide melta in the form of a land speeder or sternguard squad

allied imperial guard artillery/ leman russ pie plates.

do these sound good?

G00fySmiley wrote:
if my understanding is correct even if a forgeworld model is "codex approved" you don't have to accept it. white dwarf units are different liek ork fliers or storm talons but some of the "codex approved" units are game breakers on a regular table .. i would justy say no to imperial armor outside apoc

htj wrote:Well I'll be damned, I never realised you couldn't take a pod for terminators. I guess I just always assumed that you could.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

htj wrote:Well I'll be damned, I never realised you couldn't take a pod for terminators. I guess I just always assumed that you could.

Black Templars can.

htj wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

htj wrote:Well I'll be damned, I never realised you couldn't take a pod for terminators. I guess I just always assumed that you could.

Black Templars can.

Do they get drop pod assault as well?

p_gray99 wrote:TBH, skyfire weapons aren't that much of a worry. Other than from other flyers all you have to worry about is S7, and while it's TL you really don't have to worry much. Think of your armour as being 2 better and this weapon being a lascannon. It's not that dangerous. Ok, so you've got AV10 ork flyers, but other than this it's not going to be too bad. Anyway if they get too many hits, just evade for a 5+ cover, which doesn't make very much difference to ork shooting. Other than this, they're not likely to penetrate your armour.
Actual skyfire lascannons are also unlikely to do anything as they simply don't have enough shots. It doesn't matter how good that shot is, it's most likely either going to miss, not penetrate or simply do nothing when it does penetrate.

HawaiiMatt wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:TBH, skyfire weapons aren't that much of a worry. Other than from other flyers all you have to worry about is S7, and while it's TL you really don't have to worry much. Think of your armour as being 2 better and this weapon being a lascannon. It's not that dangerous. Ok, so you've got AV10 ork flyers, but other than this it's not going to be too bad. Anyway if they get too many hits, just evade for a 5+ cover, which doesn't make very much difference to ork shooting. Other than this, they're not likely to penetrate your armour.
Actual skyfire lascannons are also unlikely to do anything as they simply don't have enough shots. It doesn't matter how good that shot is, it's most likely either going to miss, not penetrate or simply do nothing when it does penetrate.

My Vet uses the signum on the bolter armed devistator manning the emplacement. BS5 doesn't miss often.

-Matt

p_gray99 wrote:TBH, skyfire weapons aren't that much of a worry. Other than from other flyers all you have to worry about is S7, and while it's TL you really don't have to worry much. Think of your armour as being 2 better and this weapon being a lascannon. It's not that dangerous. Ok, so you've got AV10 ork flyers, but other than this it's not going to be too bad. Anyway if they get too many hits, just evade for a 5+ cover, which doesn't make very much difference to ork shooting. Other than this, they're not likely to penetrate your armour.
Actual skyfire lascannons are also unlikely to do anything as they simply don't have enough shots. It doesn't matter how good that shot is, it's most likely either going to miss, not penetrate or simply do nothing when it does penetrate.

Sigvatr wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:TBH, skyfire weapons aren't that much of a worry. Other than from other flyers all you have to worry about is S7, and while it's TL you really don't have to worry much. Think of your armour as being 2 better and this weapon being a lascannon. It's not that dangerous. Ok, so you've got AV10 ork flyers, but other than this it's not going to be too bad. Anyway if they get too many hits, just evade for a 5+ cover, which doesn't make very much difference to ork shooting. Other than this, they're not likely to penetrate your armour.
Actual skyfire lascannons are also unlikely to do anything as they simply don't have enough shots. It doesn't matter how good that shot is, it's most likely either going to miss, not penetrate or simply do nothing when it does penetrate.

In 2 games already, those dreaded Quad Guns took out a flyer as soon as he came in.

p_gray99 wrote:TBH, skyfire weapons aren't that much of a worry. Other than from other flyers all you have to worry about is S7, and while it's TL you really don't have to worry much. Think of your armour as being 2 better and this weapon being a lascannon. It's not that dangerous. Ok, so you've got AV10 ork flyers, but other than this it's not going to be too bad. Anyway if they get too many hits, just evade for a 5+ cover, which doesn't make very much difference to ork shooting. Other than this, they're not likely to penetrate your armour.
Actual skyfire lascannons are also unlikely to do anything as they simply don't have enough shots. It doesn't matter how good that shot is, it's most likely either going to miss, not penetrate or simply do nothing when it does penetrate.