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				<description><![CDATA[ Okay, I thought that I would make a fun list with the Fotress of redemtpion in it and see what I could come up with.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Librarian w/Null Zone and Avenger - 100<br /> Pedro Cantor - 225<br /> <br /> ELITES<br /> Rifleman Dreadnought - 125<br /> Rifleman Dreadnought - 125<br /> 10 Sternguard w/6 Combi-weapons, Rhino - 315<br /> <br /> TROOPS<br /> 5 Sniper Scouts w/Telion, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> - 155<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> <br /> FAST ATTACK<br /> Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155<br /> Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155<br /> <br /> HEAVY SUPPORT<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100<br /> <br /> FORTIFICATIONS<br /> Fotress of Redemtion - 225<br /> <br /> So the Idea is to hide the Thunderfire Cannons, Scouts, Sternguard, Cantor, and Libby in the Fotress and use the Tacs to go control/contest other objectives. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Should i drop the scouts and a dread for more sternguard?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:31:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Marshall Ragnar]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2500 SM with Fotress of Redemption</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ If you have Sternguard in a Crimson Fists army, you'll want some with Kantor (and probably take objectives with them supported by tactical), and have another sitting in the fortress if it's on an objective (never forget Kantor makes Sternguard scoring!)]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:43:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The fortress of redemption is 220 base. Also, if you're going to take it, you might as well take the krak missiles for anti <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(95);'>MEQ</span> squads. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:41:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ How much is it for the krak missiles? I dont have my book with me]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:32:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Marshall Ragnar]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Unless I'm mistaken, or confused with another character, pedro kantor is 175 points]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:38:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Okay, i corrected the points (not sure on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(648);'>FoR</span> though. dont have my book at the moment) and think this list will do pretty good.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Librarian w/Null Zone and Avenger - 100<br /> Pedro Cantor - 175<br /> <br /> ELITES<br /> Rifleman Dreadnought - 125<br /> Rifleman Dreadnought - 125<br /> 10 Sternguard w/8 Combi-weapons, Power Ax Rhino - 340<br /> <br /> TROOPS<br /> 5 Sniper Scouts w/Telion, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> - 155<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> <br /> FAST ATTACK<br /> Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155<br /> Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155<br /> <br /> HEAVY SUPPORT<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100<br /> <br /> FORTIFICATIONS<br /> Fotress of Redemtion - 250]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:58:11]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Marshall Ragnar]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2500 SM with Fotress of Redemption</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Lose those stormtalons and you're in trouble. 3 rhinos runnning around will be glanced out the game easily at this points level.<br /> <br /> You have little/no <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> prowess and yet you're not exactly pumping out more shots than another decent 2k army could produce. Someone runs a bunch of terminators down your throat (and they can run a lot at 2,5k) and you have no real answers.<br /> <br /> Sorry, but 2,500 is for dirty double <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>FOC</span> lists and you've not really made use of this at all. Trim it down to 1995 or so and the list might work.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:08:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>ruminator wrote:</cite>Lose those stormtalons and you're in trouble. 3 rhinos runnning around will be glanced out the game easily at this points level.<br /> <br /> You have little/no <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> prowess and yet you're not exactly pumping out more shots than another decent 2k army could produce. Someone runs a bunch of terminators down your throat (and they can run a lot at 2,5k) and you have no real answers.<br /> <br /> Sorry, but 2,500 is for dirty double <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>FOC</span> lists and you've not really made use of this at all. Trim it down to 1995 or so and the list might work.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> See this list looks like it is anti horde, it would brilliant for going against orcs. You are right though <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(9);'>AV</span> 2 is a major problem, guess you could make the 8 combi weapons on the Sternguard combi meltas for terminators, just hope they don't have Shields. <br /> <br /> The Talons should be fine, I believe the adoption of all Air Force list will be slow,you prolly won't see more than 1-2 flyers at the max maybe 3 if he is fighting Crons or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:37:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:2500 SM with Fotress of Redemption</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(648);'>FoR</span> is 250 with krakstorm missiles. Just a brilliant upgrade that.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:52:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Grey Templar]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So more ap2? How about this then<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Librarian w/Null Zone, Avenger, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(332);'>TDA</span> - 125<br /> <br /> ELITES<br /> Rifleman Dreadnought - 125<br /> Rifleman Dreadnought - 125<br /> 10 Terminators w/Assault Cannons - 440<br /> <br /> TROOPS<br /> 5 Sniper Scouts w/Telion, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> - 155<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> <br /> FAST ATTACK<br /> Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155<br /> Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155<br /> <br /> HEAVY SUPPORT<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100<br /> <br /> FORTIFICATIONS<br /> Fotress of Redemtion w/Krakstorm- 250]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:00:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Marshall Ragnar]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Marshall Ragnar wrote:</cite>So more ap2? How about this then<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Librarian w/Null Zone, Avenger, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(332);'>TDA</span> - 125<br /> <br /> ELITES<br /> Rifleman Dreadnought - 125<br /> Rifleman Dreadnought - 125<br /> 10 Terminators w/Assault Cannons - 440<br /> <br /> TROOPS<br /> 5 Sniper Scouts w/Telion, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> - 155<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> <br /> FAST ATTACK<br /> Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155<br /> Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155<br /> <br /> HEAVY SUPPORT<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100<br /> <br /> FORTIFICATIONS<br /> Fotress of Redemtion w/Krakstorm- 250</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Better, terminators are the fashizzle now. Love the Thunderfire cannons <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>btw</span>, stick that sucker up in the tower and have sme fun.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:13:05]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:2500 SM with Fotress of Redemption</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ You're points are still screwed up. 10 Termies with 2 Assault cannons are 460 pts.<br /> <br /> And you need to mark down what kind of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span> your dudes are armed with(same with the libby)]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:44:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Grey Templar]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Okay, so i decided to add allies to help with the lack of anti-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(652);'>TEQ</span>. But now im over 50pts. What should I drop?<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Librarian - 100<br /> <br /> TROOPS<br /> 5 Sniper Scouts w/Telion, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> - 135<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> Tactical Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, Rhino - 240<br /> <br /> FAST ATTACK<br /> Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155<br /> Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155<br /> <br /> HEAVY SUPPORT<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(15);'>BT</span> ALLIES <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Belial w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>- 130<br /> <br /> <br /> ELITES<br /> 5 Terminators w/2-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>, Cyclone - 235<br /> <br /> TROOPS <br /> 5 Terminators w/2-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>, Cyclone - 235<br /> 5 Terminators w/2-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>, Cyclone - 235<br /> <br /> FORTIFICATIONS<br /> Fotress of Redemtion w/Krakstorm- 250<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Marshall Ragnar]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I fixed the points]]></description>
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