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				<description><![CDATA[ EDIT 6: How's this look?  I dropped the ABs w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span>, dropped the Libby w/ Bike, added 2 AutoLas Preds, and gave Melta bombs to the plasmagun squads.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Captain  175<br /> Bike<br /> Relic Blade<br /> Combi- Melta or Combi- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span><br /> Digital Weapons<br /> <br /> Troop<br /> Bike Squad  225<br /> 5 bikes<br /> 2 Meltaguns<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> Combi-Melta<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 bikes<br /> 2 Meltaguns<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> Combi-Melta<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 Bikes<br /> 2 Plasmaguns<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 Bikes<br /> 2 Plasmaguns<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 Bikes<br /> 2 Plasmaguns<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Fast Attack 155<br /> Stormtalon<br /> TML<br /> <br /> Stormtalon 155<br /> TML<br /> <br /> Heavy Support<br /> Pred 120<br /> Lascannon Sponsons<br /> <br /> Pred 120<br /> Lascannon Sponsons<br /> <br /> Old List 4<br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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<br /> EDIT 5: Here is a new version of the list.  I dropped the melta bombs on the Captain.  I dropped the preds, vindicator, and rifleman dreads.  Put in an attack bike squad with 3 bikes with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span>, another Plasmagun bike squad, and a librarian with a bike and force sword.  With this latest version, everything moves fast.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>		<br /> Captain		175<br /> Bike		<br /> Relic Blade	<br /> Combi-Plasma	<br /> 		<br /> Librarian	135<br /> Force Sword		<br /> Bike		<br /> 		<br /> Troop		<br /> Bike Squad	225<br /> 5 bikes		<br /> 2 Meltaguns	<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> Combi-Melta	<br /> Melta bombs	<br /> 		<br /> Bike Squad	225<br /> 5 bikes		<br /> 2 Meltaguns	<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> Combi-Melta	<br /> Melta bombs	<br /> 		<br /> Bike Squad	220<br /> 5 Bikes		<br /> 2 Plasmaguns	<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma	<br /> 		<br /> Bike Squad	220<br /> 5 Bikes		<br /> 2 Plasmaguns	<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma	<br /> 		<br /> Bike Squad	220<br /> 5 Bikes		<br /> 2 Plasmaguns	<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma	<br /> 				<br /> Fast Attack		<br /> Stormtalon	155<br /> TML		<br /> 		<br /> Stormtalon	155<br /> TML		<br /> 		<br /> Attack Bike Squad	120<br /> 3 Bikes		
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<br /> EDIT 4: Changed the wording on the list to make things clearer.<br /> <br /> EDIT 3: Reduced the size of the bike squads so as to add one more giving me more special weapons.  I have 2 bike squads focused on anti-tank/anti-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span> and two squads focused on anti-infantry.  Dumped the power weapons for combi weapons on the Sergeants to make them to help the focus of their respective squads: combi-plasma for anti-infantry, combi-melta for anti-tank/anti-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>.  Gave the anti-tank/anti-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span> squads melta bombs.  Gave the Captain a Combi-melta since the bolt pistol won't give him a bonus attack since the relic blade is two-handed plus the melta is for anti-tank/anti-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>.  Gave the captain hellfire rounds to make ranged wounding easier.  Upgraded the dozer blade on the Vindicator to a siege shield and gave the dakka pred a dozer blade.<br /> <br /> I'm wondering if I should drop one of the upgrades from the captain to free up 10 points to give the plasma squad sergeants melta-bombs as a just in case type of thing.  Maybe drop the hellfire rounds to free up 10 points (5 points each for melta bombs to the plasma squads).  Or maybe drop the combi-melta on the captain and the dozer blade on the dakka pred to free up 15 points (5 points each for melta bombs to the plasma squads and the captain since he loses the melta shot).<br /> I'm also toying around with the idea of dumping the Vindicator to make room for a squad of 3 Attack Bikes with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span>.  They'd move faster than the Vindicator and still provide anti-infantry which is what I intended for the Vindicator's pie plate.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Space Marine Captain 185<br /> Relic Blade<br /> Space Marine Bike<br /> Combi-melta<br /> Hellfire Rounds<br /> <br /> Elite<br /> Dreadnought 125<br /> Autocannon<br /> Autocannon<br /> <br /> Dreadnought 125<br /> Autocannon<br /> Autocannon<br /> <br /> Troop<br /> Space Marine Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 Bikes<br /> Meltagun x2<br /> Attack Bike<br /> Multi-melta<br /> Combi-melta<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 bikes<br /> Meltagun x2<br /> Attack Bike<br /> Multi-melta<br /> Combi-melta<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad 220<br /> 5 bikes<br /> Plasma gun x2<br /> Attack Bike<br /> Combi-plasma<br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad 220<br /> 5 bikes<br /> Plasma gun x2<br /> Attack Bike<br /> Combi-plasma<br /> <br /> Fast Attack<br /> Storm Talon 155<br /> Typhoon Missile Launcher<br /> <br /> Storm Talon 155<br /> Typhoon Missile Launcher<br /> <br /> Heavy Support 125<br /> Vindicator<br /> Siege Shield<br /> <br /> Predator 90<br /> Heavy Bolter Sponsons<br /> Dozer Blade
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<br /> EDIT 2: Gave 2 of the bike squads plasma guns instead of Melta guns.  Replaced the seige shield on the Vindicator with a dozer blade to allow the adjustment.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> <br /> EDIT:  Heres the latest iteration of the list.  I dropped a Vindicator, gave the remaining one a seige shield instead of a dozer blade, switched out the Power Fists on the Sergeants with Power Weapons, and switched out the Land Speeders for Stormtalon Gunships.  I have 15 points left over.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Captain 165pts<br /> -Relic Blade<br /> -Space Marine Bike<br /> <br /> Elite<br /> Dreadnought 125<br /> -2x Twin Linked Auto Cannon<br /> <br /> Dreadnought 125<br /> -2x Twin Linked Auto Cannon<br /> <br /> Troops<br /> Space Marine Bike Squad	310Pts<br /> -2x Plasma Gun<br /> -Power Weapon<br /> -Attack Bike<br /> -Multi-Melta<br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad	310Pts<br /> -2x Plasma Gun<br /> -Power Weapon<br /> -Attack Bike<br /> -Multi-Melta<br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad	300Pts<br /> -2x Melta Gun<br /> -Power Weapon<br /> -Attack Bike<br /> -Multi-Melta<br /> <br /> Fast<br /> Stormtalon Gunship 155pts<br /> -Twin Linked Typhoon Missile Launcher<br /> <br /> Stormtalon Gunship 155pts<br /> -Twin Linked Typhoon Missile Launcher<br /> <br /> Heavy<br /> Vindicator 120pts<br /> -Dozer Blade<br /> <br /> Predator 85pts<br /> -Autocannon<br /> -Heavy Bolter Sponsons
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Here is a list I made during 5th edition that I never got around to fully constructing.  Will it sit well in 6th?  Is it even valid?  I have yet to crack open my 6th ed books.  (The pred I might switch for Scouts with sniper rifles and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>.)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Space Marine Captain	165<br /> -Bike<br /> -Relic Blade<br /> <br /> <br /> Troop<br /> Space Marine Bike Squad	310<br /> -2x Meltagun<br /> -Attack Bike W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> -Sgt. w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad	310<br /> -2x Meltagun<br /> -Attack Bike W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> -Sgt. w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad	310<br /> -2x Meltagun<br /> -Attack Bike W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> -Sgt. w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> Fast Attack<br /> Land Speeder Squadron	90<br /> -Heavy Bolter<br /> -Typhoon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span><br /> <br /> Land Speeder Squadron	90<br /> -Heavy Bolter<br /> -Typhoon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span><br /> <br /> Heavy Support<br /> Vindicator		120<br /> -Dozer Blade<br /> <br /> Vindicator		120<br /> -Dozer Blade<br /> <br /> Predator		85<br /> -Autocannon<br /> -Heavy Bolter sponsons<br /> <br /> Elite<br /> Dreadnought		125<br /> -Twin Linked Autocannon x2<br /> <br /> Dreadnought		125<br /> -Twin Linked Autocannon x2
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				<description><![CDATA[ Your sargents can be singled out in combat by chalenges in 6th, so I'd switch out the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PFs</span> for power swords (make sure it is the sword, as other power weapons either aren't ap3 or strike at I1). On the upside, your attack bikes are T5 for instant death, so they only take one wound from <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span>.<br /> <br /> I have never been a fan of autocannons on dreads, but I know I am in the minority on that. If I where to use them for fire support, I would use <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> lascannon, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Cool beans.  I'm not missing anything like fortifications or something?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I play a similar army and have done fairly well with it so far this edition. <br /> <br /> I find the power fists do fine for the most part. The trick is to try and throw the captain into any combat in which a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span> sergeant could issue a challenge and have the captain punk the enemy character. <br /> <br /> I think a Storm Talon would fair better than the two land speeder squadrons. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ There are fortifications now, but as your running a rapid assault list, you don't need them. One thing you might want to do is swap out your dreads and speeders for Stormtalen gunships, as they are flyers, so are very hard to hit, and can take out other flyers.<br /> <br /> Edit: ninja'd]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hmmm Storm Talons you say?<br /> <br /> I'll look into it.  I was kind of hoping to see some Riflemen Dreads on the table because it would be like I was playing Mechwarrior or something.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If you dropped, the dozer blades on the vindis, both speeders and the predator you could buy a storm talon and an autolas pred and keep the dreads.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>djphranq wrote:</cite>Hmmm Storm Talons you say?<br /> <br /> I'll look into it.  I was kind of hoping to see some Riflemen Dreads on the table because it would be like I was playing Mechwarrior or something.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Blast hit at full <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span>, regardless of where the center of the blast is, so your vinds are good <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> now.<br /> <br /> Even if your playing mechwarrior, you have for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span>:<br /> 6 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span>,<br /> 3MM<br /> 2 Vindicators<br /> 1 autocannon<br /> 2 typhoon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span> ( if you keep the speeders)<br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> If you drop both the dreads, the speeders, change the fists into swords and drop one dozer blade, you can get 3 Stormtalon gunships with either 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> assault cannon and 1 typhoon missile launcher, OR 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> assault cannon and 1 skyhammer missile launcher each.<br /> <br /> Which makes your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span>:<br /> 6 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MGs</span>,<br /> 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MMs</span>,<br /> 2 Vindicators,<br /> 1 autocannon,<br /> 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> assault cannons,<br /> and either 3 typhoon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span>, OR 3 skyhammer <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Armadeus wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>djphranq wrote:</cite>Hmmm Storm Talons you say?<br /> <br /> I'll look into it.  I was kind of hoping to see some Riflemen Dreads on the table because it would be like I was playing Mechwarrior or something.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Blast hit at full <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span>, regardless of where the center of the blast is, so your vinds are good <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> now.<br /> <br /> Even if your playing mechwarrior, you have for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span>:<br /> 6 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span>,<br /> 3MM<br /> 2 Vindicators<br /> 1 autocannon<br /> 2 typhoon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span> ( if you keep the speeders)<br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> If you drop both the dreads, the speeders, change the fists into swords and drop one dozer blade, you can get 3 Stormtalon gunships with either 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> assault cannon and 1 typhoon missile launcher, OR 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> assault cannon and 1 skyhammer missile launcher each.<br /> <br /> Which makes your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span>:<br /> 6 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MGs</span>,<br /> 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MMs</span>,<br /> 2 Vindicators,<br /> 1 autocannon,<br /> 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> assault cannons,<br /> and either 3 typhoon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span>, OR 3 skyhammer <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I was meaning Mechwarrior the computer game but thanks for your suggestions.  3 Storm Talons on the table ought to look wicked boss.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Changed the list.  See <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span> for new list.  Old list in spoilers.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'd turn to of the bike squads to plasma instead of melta.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ With those 15 points, I would give each of your bike squads Meltabombs, to take on vehicles and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MCs</span> in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Pony_law wrote:</cite>I'd turn to of the bike squads to plasma instead of melta.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> What if I mix it in... have melta and plasma in each squad... I'd hate to lose the one squad with meltaguns...then again I do have Multi Meltas on the attack bikes...<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Armadeus wrote:</cite>With those 15 points, I would give each of your bike squads Meltabombs, to take on vehicles and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MCs</span> in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I was thinking about doing that since they lost the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PFs</span><br /> <br /> *goes back to the drawing board]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:10:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ EDIT: Changed wording on the list to make it clearer<br /> <br /> Reduced the size of the bike squads so as to add one more giving me more special weapons.  I have 2 bike squads focused on anti-tank/anti-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span> and two squads focused on anti-infantry.  Dumped the power weapons for combi weapons on the Sergeants to make them to help the focus of their respective squads: combi-plasma for anti-infantry, combi-melta for anti-tank/anti-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>.  Gave the anti-tank/anti-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span> squads melta bombs.  Gave the Captain a Combi-melta since the bolt pistol won't give him a bonus attack since the relic blade is two-handed plus the melta is for anti-tank/anti-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>.  Gave the captain hellfire rounds to make ranged wounding easier.  Upgraded the dozer blade on the Vindicator to a siege shield and gave the dakka pred a dozer blade.<br /> <br /> I'm wondering if I should drop one of the upgrades from the captain to free up 10 points to give the plasma squad sergeants melta-bombs as a just in case type of thing.  Maybe drop the hellfire rounds to free up 10 points (5 points each for melta bombs to the plasma squads).  Or maybe drop the combi-melta on the captain and the dozer blade on the dakka pred to free up 15 points (5 points each for melta bombs to the plasma squads and the captain since he loses the melta shot).<br /> I'm also toying around with the idea of dumping the Vindicator to make room for a squad of 3 Attack Bikes with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span>.  They'd move faster than the Vindicator and still provide anti-infantry which is what I intended for the Vindicator's pie plate.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Space Marine Captain 185<br /> Relic Blade<br /> Space Marine Bike<br /> Combi-melta<br /> Hellfire Rounds<br /> <br /> Elite<br /> Dreadnought 125<br /> Autocannon<br /> Autocannon<br /> <br /> Dreadnought 125<br /> Autocannon<br /> Autocannon<br /> <br /> Troop<br /> Space Marine Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 Bikes<br /> Meltagun x2<br /> Attack Bike<br /> Multi-melta<br /> Combi-melta<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 bikes<br /> Meltagun x2<br /> Attack Bike<br /> Multi-melta<br /> Combi-melta<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad 220<br /> 5 bikes<br /> Plasma gun x2<br /> Attack Bike<br /> Combi-plasma<br /> <br /> Space Marine Bike Squad 220<br /> 5 bikes<br /> Plasma gun x2<br /> Attack Bike<br /> Combi-plasma<br /> <br /> Fast Attack<br /> Storm Talon 155<br /> Typhoon Missile Launcher<br /> <br /> Storm Talon 155<br /> Typhoon Missile Launcher<br /> <br /> Heavy Support 125<br /> Vindicator<br /> Siege Shield<br /> <br /> Predator 90<br /> Heavy Bolter Sponsons<br /> Dozer Blade<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Here is a new version of the list.  I dropped the melta bombs on the Captain.  I dropped the preds, vindicator, and rifleman dreads.  Put in an attack bike squad with 3 bikes with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span>, another Plasmagun bike squad, and a librarian with a bike and force sword.  With this latest version, everything moves fast.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>		<br /> Captain		175<br /> Bike		<br /> Relic Blade	<br /> Combi-Plasma	<br /> 		<br /> Librarian	135<br /> Force Sword		<br /> Bike		<br /> 		<br /> Troop		<br /> Bike Squad	225<br /> 5 bikes		<br /> 2 Meltaguns	<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> Combi-Melta	<br /> Melta bombs	<br /> 		<br /> Bike Squad	225<br /> 5 bikes		<br /> 2 Meltaguns	<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> Combi-Melta	<br /> Melta bombs	<br /> 		<br /> Bike Squad	220<br /> 5 Bikes		<br /> 2 Plasmaguns	<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma	<br /> 		<br /> Bike Squad	220<br /> 5 Bikes		<br /> 2 Plasmaguns	<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma	<br /> 		<br /> Bike Squad	220<br /> 5 Bikes		<br /> 2 Plasmaguns	<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma	<br /> 				<br /> Fast Attack		<br /> Stormtalon	155<br /> TML		<br /> 		<br /> Stormtalon	155<br /> TML		<br /> 		<br /> Attack Bike Squad	120<br /> 3 Bikes		<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 3 Sep 2012 18:20:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I dont really like the libby.  What do you hope he'll do for you?  <br /> <br /> I'm not sure on the points, but can you get an AutoLas Pred in for those 135pts?  I think some long range in support of your bikes might be pretty helpful.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/462996/4727850.page"><b>SCP Yeeman wrote:</b></a><br/>I dont really like the libby.  What do you hope he'll do for you?  <br /> <br /> I'm not sure on the points, but can you get an AutoLas Pred in for those 135pts?  I think some long range in support of your bikes might be pretty helpful.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I was thinking the Libby would provide some psyker capabilities to the army (I'm still learning all the psychic abilities so I'm not sure what I would have given him... maybe the codex powers of Vortex of Doom and Avenger)<br /> <br /> The previous lists I had a Dakka pred, a Vindicator, and 2 rifleman dreads... should i have kept them as long range support?  I took them out since they weren't as fast as the bikes.<br /> <br /> I think AutoLas preds are 105 or 110... maybe i'll put in a couple of those and take out the libby and Attack bike squad.<br /> <br /> EDIT: actually wouldn't my Stormtalons be a form of long range support?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well your Storm Talon has a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>- AssCan with only 24'' range, if your not firing that and only the missiles I think you're not using the Storm Talon to its full potential.<br /> <br /> I dont think you need a vindi or the rifleman dreads.  If you could take out the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(351);'>Atk</span> Bikes and the Libby and get two AutoLas Preds in, I think that would look pretty good.  I dont think you need alot of long range support, but some is always nice.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The minimum 18" movement of zoom almost prevents the Stormtalon from being long range support like a Pred would be. However, it's hard to bring down if your enemy doesn't have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span> abilities and it can bring a lot of firepower for such rapid redeployment. To me, it would seem the best way to use two of them is to bring them on opposite ends of the reserve deployment zone and run kind of "criss-cross" strafing runs. While I've not seen enough of the Libby powers to be sure, there seem to be some very useful and very killy powers he could take. But that's up to the roll of the dice.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ How's this look?  I dropped the ABs w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span>, dropped the Libby w/ Bike, added 2 AutoLas Preds, and gave Melta bombs to the plasmagun squads.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Captain  175<br /> Bike<br /> Relic Blade<br /> Combi- Melta or Combi- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span><br /> Digital Weapons<br /> <br /> Troop<br /> Bike Squad  225<br /> 5 bikes<br /> 2 Meltaguns<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> Combi-Melta<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 bikes<br /> 2 Meltaguns<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span><br /> Combi-Melta<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 Bikes<br /> 2 Plasmaguns<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 Bikes<br /> 2 Plasmaguns<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Bike Squad 225<br /> 5 Bikes<br /> 2 Plasmaguns<br /> Attack Bike w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> Combi-Plasma<br /> Melta bombs<br /> <br /> Fast Attack 155<br /> Stormtalon<br /> TML<br /> <br /> Stormtalon 155<br /> TML<br /> <br /> Heavy Support<br /> Pred 120<br /> Lascannon Sponsons<br /> <br /> Pred 120<br /> Lascannon Sponsons<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I like it, alot.  I think you have soem good firing base with the Preds, and 5 scoring troops.  The Storm Talons can come in and take out flyers or punish light tanks or infantry.<br /> <br /> I think it is solid.  <br /> <br /> Question, do you feel the Combi weapons and melta bombs are better than a Power Wep of soem sort?  I know personal preferences play a huge part and I know people tht dont leave home without Power weps and some who dont leave home without Combi weps.  What is your reasoning behind them?  Just curious to know more than anything.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think the Combi-weapons and Meltabombs offer a little more for bikers than the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>.  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span> is okay against infantry but doesn't offer the range or strength of plasma/melta... and I think I should be more focused with ranged... shoot them/whittle them down in order to try to avoid getting into assaults.  In fact, I've come to the mentality that if the units get mired in assault, I should just consider them lost...<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PWs</span> would be points wasted.<br /> <br /> Even with the list now, I'm still looking at trouble against hordes.<br /> <br /> The three plasmagun squads might help a little bit against hordes...and I can throw some fire from the meltagun squads and Stormtalons as well (but then they wouldn't be doing their tank/flyer hunting)... but I don't think it would be enough.  I can get swamped if the other player brings enough foot soldiers.  Once I get into assault, even if I get the charge, I wouldn't have enough attacks.]]></description>
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