<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Your retribution style: more melee or shooty?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/27.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Your retribution style: more melee or shooty? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4542295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4542295.page GMT Retribution players: hitting hyrdas http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4542327.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4542327.page GMT Retribution players: hitting hyrdas ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4542396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4542396.page GMT Re:Your retribution style: more melee or shooty? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4543214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4543214.page GMT Your retribution style: more melee or shooty? You don't have a unit of invictors? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4547674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4547674.page GMT Your retribution style: more melee or shooty?
The Manticore really is an excellent Jack, it was my primary choice for most lists. I liked Phoenix and Dyscordia, but in the end kept coming back to the Manticore. When I sold my retribution I focused around Rhan's Kitten with Mittens, and a Dawn Guard list with Kaelyssa.

The Rhan / Mage list is a 1 turn really mess up the opponents day, but it is hard to deal with those Heavy Khador jacks you'll always run into. The Kaelyssa list was more straight forward. Feat turn 1 / run, then charge in. If your going to fight, go Dawn Guard heavy. They are more consistent then our jacks, and it leaves the Manticores to combo attack and finish off other heavies. Don't let the force field on the Jacks trick you, our jacks do not last long, they are not attrition jacks, its better to shoot up the opponent, or get the jump with a mass army charge.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4549513.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4549513.page GMT Your retribution style: more melee or shooty? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4549773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4549773.page GMT Re:Your retribution style: more melee or shooty?
I've been running Ossyan a lot lately and using his feat 2nd turn to devastating effect. Only problem with shooting still is against stealth heavy lists.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4549816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4549816.page GMT Re:Your retribution style: more melee or shooty?
crazyK wrote:Definitely shoot first, punch second.

I've been running Ossyan a lot lately and using his feat 2nd turn to devastating effect. Only problem with shooting still is against stealth heavy lists.


Minor suggestions. Retribution has lots of "indirect" ways to get around stealth.
Discordia: huge spray, don't be afraid to sacrifice your own units to be the original target, then splash into stealthed units.
Stormfall Archers move your own model next to the stealthed model, shoot your own model with the AOE in the back. You will like be Rat+back strike bonus, often stealthed model have suck for ARM, so lightning them on fire usually means they are dead.
Phoenix: I combusted! your on fire! I'm also an arch node, so arc those spell to kill off the rest of the unit.

Retribution wins by creativity, guile, craftyness, and when all else falls luck!
Shooty your own stuff! Rhan's Force Hammer is great to slam your models into the opponent]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4554061.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4554061.page GMT Re:Your retribution style: more melee or shooty?
njpc wrote:
crazyK wrote:Definitely shoot first, punch second.

I've been running Ossyan a lot lately and using his feat 2nd turn to devastating effect. Only problem with shooting still is against stealth heavy lists.


Minor suggestions. Retribution has lots of "indirect" ways to get around stealth.
Discordia: huge spray, don't be afraid to sacrifice your own units to be the original target, then splash into stealthed units.
Stormfall Archers move your own model next to the stealthed model, shoot your own model with the AOE in the back. You will like be Rat+back strike bonus, often stealthed model have suck for ARM, so lightning them on fire usually means they are dead.
Phoenix: I combusted! your on fire! I'm also an arch node, so arc those spell to kill off the rest of the unit.

Retribution wins by creativity, guile, craftyness, and when all else falls luck!
Shooty your own stuff! Rhan's Force Hammer is great to slam your models into the opponent


Especially with sprays, why would you shoot your own model? Stealth doesn't prevent targeting. Unless for some reason you can't get an angle that would hit more than one, there's no reason to sacrifice your own models. Plus to get close enough to splash a stealth model with an AoE, your model would end up being net defense +2, what with the melee penalty. You're better off just letting the aoe's drift, as especially with Ret's defense you'll probably miss anyway (which, with the fire arrows, means that absolutely nothing happens).

Targeting your own models certainly has it's place, but it usually isn't worth it just to clear out a couple stealth models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4555588.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4555588.page GMT Re:Your retribution style: more melee or shooty?
crazyK wrote:Definitely shoot first, punch second.

I've been running Ossyan a lot lately and using his feat 2nd turn to devastating effect. Only problem with shooting still is against stealth heavy lists.


Speaking about Ossyan, his feat, and the Manticore, every shot (if purchased with focus) under Ossyan's feat gets an additional damage die, correct? Not just the inital shot?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4557262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4557262.page GMT Your retribution style: more melee or shooty? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4557607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4557607.page GMT Your retribution style: more melee or shooty?
Avro wrote:@derek
You don't have a unit of invictors?


No, and the reason is, outside of a few theme forces (Vyros1's NQ and Vyros2) I'd most likely be reaching for the MHSF+UA as my ranged threat unit. I'll eventually pick up a unit of Invictors since I like having options (and the reroll on CRA is cool). When I start experimenting more with Vyros1, I'm almost certain they'll become more of a priority.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4562236.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4562236.page GMT Your retribution style: more melee or shooty? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4563170.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/463291/4563170.page GMT Your retribution style: more melee or shooty?


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