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The Goodbye Lenins (Blood Angels)

HQ - 130
Reclusiarch (130)

Elites - 200
Furioso Dreadnought (135)
Frag cannon, Heavy flamer

Sanguinary Priest (75)
Jump Pack

Troops - 495
9 Tactical Squad (170)
Missile Launcher.

9 Assault Squad (210)
Jump Pack; Flamer; Power Weapon

5 Death Company (115)
Power Weapon.

Fast Attack - 210
3 Attack Bikes (150)
Multi-melta.

1 Landspeeder (60)
Heavy Flamer; Tornedo Pattern (Heavy Flamer).

Heavy Support - 430
Stormraven (200)
TL AssCan, Twinlinked Multimelta.

Stormraven (230)
Twinlinked Plasma Cannon; Heavy bolter, Huricane Bolters.

1.475 points

The idea is to put DC, rec and dread in the AssRaven for an all out assault on the enemys main big unit, and i let the other fly around shooting at lessiure for the duration of the game (now i am so confident, that it wont get blasted from the sky).

The bikes/speeder go straight for MC/infantry killing and the tacts and assaultmarines go for objectices if any.

You would probably note the lack of psykers/hoods, but I have favoured a strong assault instead of the now weakened psychic hood.

You will also notice my love for templates (dread planting 3 s5/6 temp., and speeder 2 s5). Maybe I have overdone it in this list.

Any thoughts on the list, how to improve it and what to do with the remaining 25 pts would be appreciated! And it is an All-comers list by the way. (though I mainly got problems against a very skilled tyranid player in my club).

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Reclusiarch
Furioso Dreadnought
5 Death Company
Stormraven
Stormraven

are all in reserve.

That's fine, but what happens if your stormraven with 380 points of models is wrecked or blown up by interceptor fire on the turn of entry? Or indeed by anything with Skyfire (other flyers, for instance) or reasonable amounts of S7/8 twin-linked ground fire? S10 no armour save per model, that's what. Which can't be good.

Sanguinary Priest
9 Tactical Squad
9 Assault Squad
3 Attack Bikes
1 Landspeeder

start on the board.

I don't see that what you start with on the table is enough to give a decent chance of neutralising an enemy Aegis emplaced quad gun -- which will fire as soon as your plane comes on, before it itself may fire at it -- and even if they do (through exposing themselves to counter-fire), you still have the threat of enemy fliers or other ground fire destroying not just 200 points of Raven (which is just par for the course) but nearly twice as many more points into the bargain.

I actually really like ravens, I just don't think they're good transport choices for more than token cheap units in 6th. In 5th, they were absolutely the way to bring assaulty HQ, elite assaulters and dreadnought to the fight. Not no more, I think.
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Still, next turn you have to get up the table and you'll take fire from the ground. If it does bring the raven down while zooming you're back to losing a massive amount of important points; If you flat-out in hover instead, you'll possibly be surrounded and wiped out if the flyer is assaulted.

On orks: I'd worry about massed Lootas.

I'd be interested to know how running ravens as troop carriers works out on the table though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464214/4560137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464214/4560137.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464214/4560193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464214/4560193.page GMT
I use autocannon dreadnoughts to take out Aegis interceptor guns, but sometimes (night fight, say) you just have to take the hit. And that's far more risky when you have a squad inside.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464214/4560208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464214/4560208.page GMT
The Reclusiarch isn't what I'd call a great choice, since his "power" weapon is now AP4. A BA Librarian can cast Prescience, allowing rerolls to hit on the turn they charge, AND subsequent rounds of combat as well. The whole time having an AP3 weapon. You do lose the 4+ Inv Save though. Dante is also a strong choice, giving his squad hit and run.

Since you have a squad of DC, a DC Dread is a better buy than the Furioso Dread. You gain Fleet, Furious Charge and what is essentially an upgraded Extra Armor for free.

The single land speeder is screaming "Get First Blood from me!" You're going to give up that easy +1 Victory Point often with that. Losing this from the list to free up some points for a stronger HQ may be an option.

I love attack bikes. Strong choice.

The tactical squad you'll probably find to be pretty lack-luster. Yes, you need scoring units. Use it in a couple games, you'll find that they don't do much at all for their points. It's hard what to say to switch this out for though, as you have a lack of scoring units already. If you always combat squad the assault squad in objective missions and play for objective denial/tabling while keeping your assault squad out of harms way, you could theoretically swap the tactical squad out for a strong Devastator unit.
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The Goodbye Lenins (Blood Angels)

HQ - 145
Reclusiarch (145)
Power Fist.

Elites - 210
Sanguinary Priest (75)
Jump Pack.

Furioso Dreadnought (135)
Heavy Flamer, fragcannon
(or DC dread with talons and Flamer)

Troops - 531
7 Assault Squad (156)
Jump Pack; Flamer, power weapon

10 Tactical Squad (170)
Missile Launcher.

5 Death Company (115)
Power Weapon.

4 Scout Squad (90)
Sniper Rifle; 5× Camo Cloaks.

Fast Attack - 100
2 Attack Bikes (100)
Multi-melta.

Heavy Support - 520
Dreadnought (120)
2 Autocannons.

Stormraven (200)
Twinlinked Plasma Cannon; Twinlinked Multimelta.

Stormraven (200)
Tl asscan, Twinlinked Multimelta.

1.506 points

I put a power fist on the rec, droped the landspeeder (good point lormax). A lot more units in turn 1 to take out some anti-air before the Ravens enter. I am determind to bring DC to the fight in a raven. At least for the first couple of games, and definitely against nids, and I Will let you know how it went


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Thanks for the good advices!

Here are a revised list:
The Goodbye Lenins (Blood Angels)

HQ - 145
Reclusiarch (145)
Power Fist.

Elites - 210
Sanguinary Priest (75)
Jump Pack.

Furioso Dreadnought (135)
Heavy Flamer, fragcannon
(OR DC dread with Flamer)

Troops - 531
7 Assault Squad (156)
Jump Pack; Flamer, power weapon

10 Tactical Squad (170)
Missile Launcher.

5 Death Company (115)
Power Weapon.

5 Scout Squad (90)
Sniper Rifle; 5× Camo Cloaks.

Fast Attack - 100
2 Attack Bikes (100)
Multi-melta.

Heavy Support - 520
Dreadnought (120)
2 Autocannons.

Stormraven (200)
Twinlinked Plasma Cannon; Twinlinked Multimelta.

Stormraven (200)
Ass can, Twinlinked Multimelta.

1.506 points

I gave the rec a power fist, dropped the speeder (good advice there!) made room for scouts and rifledread by cutting the assaults and 1 bike. A decent amount of units to take out antiair in turn 1, and i am determind to bring DC to the fight in a raven. At least just to try it a couple of games. I Will let you know how it works out]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464214/4564049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464214/4564049.page GMT