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Or how about because its in the rules?

BTW, there are no rules proposed here...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4562786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4562786.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4562908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4562908.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4562977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4562977.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563038.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? Never mind.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563067.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563084.page GMT Re:To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563146.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563146.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563249.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I?
I suppose this creates an incentive to move most vehicles at least 0.001" (just like skimmers moving 0.001" to get a jink save). But I still think the rules as written are pretty consistent with your view of the world.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563280.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563280.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? MC. Take the Carnifex: it's big, it's powerful, it's also slow, and really stupid.

Even though the tank is moving at a slow 12 mph, the WS 1 is is repersenting that slow and stupid creature crashing through the building, catching the tank (And a Carnifex is capable of picking up a predator, with no problem) driving that massive talon through the armor and actually finding the engine, finding the turret, finding the fuel tank, or just flipping the whole thing over.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4563360.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? A 3+ all the time is sad and I would prefer a variable To-Hit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4570807.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4570807.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I?
Macok wrote:Some tanks can go over 40" a turn. They still get hit as easily as the ones that moved a quarter of an inch.
A 3+ all the time is sad and I would prefer a variable To-Hit.


Well even though is moved 40", the same thing is still being represented.

Was the creature there as it passed by and did it catch it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4571789.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4571789.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I?
broodstar wrote:
Macok wrote:Some tanks can go over 40" a turn. They still get hit as easily as the ones that moved a quarter of an inch.
A 3+ all the time is sad and I would prefer a variable To-Hit.


Well even though is moved 40", the same thing is still being represented.

Was the creature there as it passed by and did it catch it?

It is a lot harder to catch a vehicle traveling Mach I than to catch a vehicle traveling 10 mph.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4572647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4572647.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? 40K, it should be harder to hit a vehicle that moved 40" than a vehicle that moved 0.25". Just makes sense.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4572704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4572704.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I?
Buttons wrote:
broodstar wrote:
Macok wrote:Some tanks can go over 40" a turn. They still get hit as easily as the ones that moved a quarter of an inch.
A 3+ all the time is sad and I would prefer a variable To-Hit.


Well even though is moved 40", the same thing is still being represented.

Was the creature there as it passed by and did it catch it?

It is a lot harder to catch a vehicle traveling Mach I than to catch a vehicle traveling 10 mph.


So because you're moving at mach, ambush hunting doesn't apply to you? Asentually, you are saying is that the Trapdoor Spider cannot catch the Fly. If I were in charge of writing the Tyranid Codex, I'd have Orb Spiders waiting for your fliers.

So you want the MC to have the difficulty of setting the trap in a place you will come by, but you also want it springing the trap to be more diffcult.

Oh btw, you already have that fliers can't be assualted. Even my fliers cannot assault your fliers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4576263.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4576263.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I?
he is asking a legit question.

a imperial guardsmen can roll to hit a squad of marines across the board 24 inches away with his BS3, so hitting on 4's.

having said this, wouldn't it be EASIER to hit a vechile at that distance than a squad?

makes perfect sense.

it would make even less sense if the squad was 24 inch away and the vecheile was 6 inch away. like common how can you miss that shot.

i think that 40k used to have penetilies for shooting longer distances i sort of wish they kept that.

but at the least i think they should of added somthing like +1 wS to shooting vechiles.


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also the reason behind it is probally nothing fluff wise its just that infantry where first and they carried it over to vechiles.

just to say it for the 10th time. it would be alot harder to hit that scrab swarm across the map then the tank right infront of you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4576391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4576391.page GMT Re:To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4576406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4576406.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4576457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4576457.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I?
spaceXjam wrote:90 percent of these answers are stupid donkey-cave responses.

he is asking a legit question.

a imperial guardsmen can roll to hit a squad of marines across the board 24 inches away with his BS3, so hitting on 4's.

having said this, wouldn't it be EASIER to hit a vechile at that distance than a squad?

makes perfect sense.

it would make even less sense if the squad was 24 inch away and the vecheile was 6 inch away. like common how can you miss that shot.

i think that 40k used to have penetilies for shooting longer distances i sort of wish they kept that.

but at the least i think they should of added somthing like +1 wS to shooting vechiles.


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also the reason behind it is probally nothing fluff wise its just that infantry where first and they carried it over to vechiles.

just to say it for the 10th time. it would be alot harder to hit that scrab swarm across the map then the tank right infront of you.


Not true, it's pretty easy to take shots from across a board. Swarms are masses of little creatures, it's pretty easy to hit one at 400 yards. Take your time, line up center mass of the crowd, take your shot.

A tank right in front of you is different, and here is the "broad side of a barn" fallacy. You think "how could you miss" but in reality, your dude is crapping his pants and fumbling with his weapon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4576468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4576468.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I?
broodstar wrote:
You think "how could you miss" but in reality, your dude is crapping his pants and fumbling with his weapon.


I agree with the logic, but I prefer to avoid these sorts of arguments because they can't consistently be applied to all models. What about a fearless tyranid? What about a robotic wraith, why does it care? What about an Apocalypse tyrant that's about to have a Rhino stub its toe? Or Eldar that fluff-wise can leap around tanks with ease.?

I think it's just not a complete given that you'll hit a moving vehicle. If it's stationary, you autohit (WS=0). But if it moves, you might get a funny angle, the vagaries of chance... whatever.

The issue here (if there is an issue at all) is that perhaps the fact that the best To Hit roll you can ever have is 3+... and when a weapon-master is swinging at a slow moving land raider (with all of it's weapons destroyed), hitting 4/6 of the time might be a little implausible.

Macok wrote:Some tanks can go over 40" a turn. They still get hit as easily as the ones that moved a quarter of an inch.
A 3+ all the time is sad and I would prefer a variable To-Hit.


I do agree with this. But the gameplay tradeoff is that things get complicated. Perhaps some sort of rule like WS = round up(distance moved / 10). Stationary = 0, 1"-10" =1 ... 40"+ = 4.


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broodstar wrote:
So because you're moving at mach, ambush hunting doesn't apply to you? Asentually, you are saying is that the Trapdoor Spider cannot catch the Fly. If I were in charge of writing the Tyranid Codex, I'd have Orb Spiders waiting for your fliers.

It is more like saying that a soldier will have a tougher time grabbing onto and damaging a tank driving at high speeds than one slowly rolling along. Look at it like this, there are three cars driving by, and you have to climb onto them and their destroy them with a club or attach a bomb to it. Which would be easiest, and hardest? A car that isn't moving, a car that is moving 5 mph, or a car that is moving 70 mph.
So you want the MC to have the difficulty of setting the trap in a place you will come by, but you also want it springing the trap to be more diffcult.

Don't know what you are getting at here.

Oh btw, you already have that fliers can't be assualted. Even my fliers cannot assault your fliers.

Dark Eldar raiders and vemons are really fast yet can still be assaulted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4577286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4577286.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I?
Orkboy1 wrote:Still, the tanks are huge, so it's not like it is a smal target.

You have missed the part where 'hitting' does not just mean physically striking something, but actually striking a spot where you can do damage. Just like causing a wound to an infantry model doesn't necessarily mean they're dead, just out of the immediate fight for whatever reason, missing an attack doesn't mean you swung an whiffed completely, it means you failed to do anything that could could even potentially cause damage. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4578527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4578527.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4578572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4578572.page GMT To Hit against Tanks. Why should I?
The speed affects the to-hit roll because those are your chances of setting up a proper ambush;]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4578697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/464541/4578697.page GMT