<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596205.page GMT Re:Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596232.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
Their lack of use indicates the other choices are more enticing for players to include in their armies, not a hate on the choice itself. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596253.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
I mean seriously, the captain is the same cost as the librarian who got a hood, two powers, and a force weapon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596283.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
ZebioLizard2 wrote:The stock captain is also very overpriced at his basic cost, the only use for him is a Bike Captain so you can run a bikers list.

I mean seriously, the captain is the same cost as the librarian who got a hood, two powers, and a force weapon.



This sums it up exactly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596595.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596595.page GMT Re:Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? HQ's since I have next to no conversion skills, and if Dark Angels are the next Marine Codex released, I have my fingers crossed for a multi-part plastic Terminator Captain/Chaplain/Librarian kit (weapon options to make all three, sorta like the Chaos Terminator Lord/Sorcerer), its just that he's boring and doesn't add anything special to your army that Chaplains and Librarians do. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596827.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4596853.page GMT Re:Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
djphranq wrote:I used to totally use them in 4th ed. In 5th ed I liked that you could use them to make bike armies. But besides that, if you gear em right they can be wicked boss. I think a relic blade is a given for a captain. Relic blades are still the same in 6th right?


You sure you're in CA?

Sound like you're from the Boston area.

JACK-CHOP!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597018.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? HQ because the one I built is lucky ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597023.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
Backspacehacker wrote:So do you think they would be worth more if they could take special rules for points? IE like a captain could take Honors of the chapter for like lets say 20 pts?


Not really, that would have to be included for him at his Base Cost

As I said, he's far to expensive at his base cost, it'd take at least a 20-40 point reduction to make him fully worthwhile, with an additional skill or two, that's just how much the librarian outclasses him. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597061.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597061.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? SM players dont' take a captain, because they don't understand the value of combat tactics, and are thus eager to take a special character as their HQ (most often vulkan). Those who want something other than this kind of unit take a librarian or master of the forge instead.

Personally, I actually like the captain as he unlocks the company command squad, which is one of the best units in the codex. Not only is it hugely customizeable, and can be good at both shooting and chopping, but going around with a space marine captain with a 2+/3++FNP is just sick.

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Backspacehacker wrote:So as the title says, do people hate on them? i dont see very many in any ones army list
Captains aren't bad, but typically there is a similarly equipped SC that's only 10-15pts more that gets "Wargear X...but BETTER!" and an army wide bonus-buff. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597228.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597230.page GMT Re:Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597283.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
Personaly i run a chaplain in term armor. throw him with some TH terms in a LR and watch things get crushed when i assault haha.

I just hope that they be come more useful in the future. i mean they are supposed be the leaders of a company i would think they would be a bit stronger or on par with a chaplain or a lib. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597311.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597319.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? HQ but with them lacking special abilities like honors of the chapter or lib powers, its stopping me. i mean dont get me wrong its cool how much you can customize them but i need more power for how much they cost haha.

+ i found so super cool captain models but no chaplain models :(]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597326.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597326.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597608.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597608.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
Back in 3rd and 4th Ed. they were great because they shifted the focus of the game away from uber characters like it was in 2nd Ed. 5th shifted back towards special characters and they are now more of a viable choice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597647.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4597662.page GMT Re:Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? HQ and the librarian just feels like he is lacking the survivability a captain gets (the 4++ save) and with my awesome dice rolling skills managing to cast perils at least once a game i just find i have a 1W 3+ model as my HQ who dies too easy in CC to utilise my force weapon. I am a fan of captains for the way i like to play then, Also the Command squad rocks its very fun putting 4 plasma guns in a FNP squad and rocking out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598213.page GMT Re:Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
No but seriously, orbital bombardment is looking a lot better with the new rules on ap1 ordnance blasts vs. vehicles. People say it's unreliable but you can do a lot of damage for those 25pts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598377.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? str 10 weapon that can only be fire once?
I prefer MOTF with conversion beamer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598404.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
The only thing a Captain can really do is unlock a unit that can be made reasonably killtastic. While not a bad thing, why do so when you can just grab some hammernators and take a force multiplier HQ? Even in the context of winning challenges, you can do better than a basic captain easily. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598460.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598460.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
I've used them. They make good CC beasts with the right equipment. They certainly don't suck, but I can usually get that job down with something else. I do love command squads, which they unlock.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598586.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? SM captains (one on bike, the other's a dual powerfist without bike) more than any other HQ I've got, for all my armies.

Of course, if you're surrounded by fools that only spam named characters like calgar and such, I wouldn't be surprised that they can't ignore how shiny a HQ seems when a cheaper one does the same job. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598620.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
I've never had the desire to put together a bike list, though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598668.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? HQs, since they drastically augment how the book plays. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4598978.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? SM codex is a very what you see is what you get. but point comparison to other Available HQs, he just does not seem worth it. I dont take named characters, they cost to much, but for the same price as a captain in term armor i can get a Chaplain with term and get honors of the chapter.

I guess What i want to know now is what do you think can be done to make the on foot captain better and more appealing with out breaking him?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4599085.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4599085.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? For another 25pts you can get a Chapter Master (basically a captain with a pie plate orbital strike...) so if you DID take a captain you may as well make it a master instead...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4599178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4599178.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex?
Backspacehacker wrote:I understand that the SM codex is a very what you see is what you get. but point comparison to other Available HQs, he just does not seem worth it. I dont take named characters, they cost to much, but for the same price as a captain in term armor i can get a Chaplain with term and get honors of the chapter.

I guess What i want to know now is what do you think can be done to make the on foot captain better and more appealing with out breaking him?


Why do you have the Captain on foot?
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AresX8 wrote:
Backspacehacker wrote:I understand that the SM codex is a very what you see is what you get. but point comparison to other Available HQs, he just does not seem worth it. I dont take named characters, they cost to much, but for the same price as a captain in term armor i can get a Chaplain with term and get honors of the chapter.

I guess What i want to know now is what do you think can be done to make the on foot captain better and more appealing with out breaking him?


Why do you have the Captain on foot?


Why not? I've been succesful with a captain and sternguard in a drop pod.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4599197.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466535/4599197.page GMT Do people hate on generic captains for SM codex? LR to stop assaults. I would like to run a captain but i just cant see them being as useful as a chaplain
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