http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 40k and i wanted to take a walk on the dark side. anyways, i've been getting stomped over and over in 1000 point games. So, i've come to ask for help.

Here is what i've come up with. i haven't tried this list (or even bought the soul grinder and skulltaker models), but it seems solid even though i'm really a noob.

Heroes:

Skulltaker 150

Herald of Khorne BSB 150

Herald of Slaanesh wTorment blade95

Core:

30 Bloodletters 6x5 block w/musician, standard bearer, icon of endless war 403

22 Daemonettes 5x4+2 block w/ musician, standard bearer, siren standard 312

Special:

3 Flamers of Tzeentch 120

Rare:

Sould Grinder w/Phlegm 300

HoS goes in with the 'nettes, HoK with the 'letters. plan on using the slaaneshi daemons for artillery and ranged killing and the letters for dispatching tougher stuff. what do you guys think?






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I would say horde your 'letters.

You need more daemonettes and bloodletters. T3 with a 5++ isn't that great. You want units of 40 ideally.

I haven't seen the rules they wrote for the grinder yet so I cannot comment.

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the herald of slaanesh?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4598331.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4598331.page GMT
at 1500 points are tight. around 2k they tend to loosen up and allow a greater daemon.

Get at least the armour of khorne on your herald. Obsidian is good for a bsb.

Herald of slaneesh is great at 95 points. If you had more points or even a tzeench herald for aguments and hexes I'd reccomend a siren song.

Flamers got nerfed hard with the update, and you'll have to roll 6's hit most of the time. I think for the points screamers are better chaff or two solo fiends(my usuals)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4598376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4598376.page GMT
i've noticed that fiends tend to die in about one volley most of the time. is that what they're there for? to be cannon fodder?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4599377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4599377.page GMT
Cut flamers for sure. I would also cut Skulltaker. At that low point cost, you aren't running up against uber-chars or monsters that he really excels against. You are more likely just to run up against good rank and file that he isn't really any better than a herald.

I've been looking at the Soul Grinder and I honestly don't think it is worth it. That's a TON of points for a warmachine and he isn't amazing in hand to hand. I'd rather the exalted chariot. It puts out 2d6+1 impact hits plus another 16 regular (albeit str 3) attacks.

Again, for siren standard, only great against heavy archer units. I find it doesn't make it super worwhile.

Why is your BSB 150? Shouldn't it be 125? But yeah, you definitely want some armor of khorne, one of the best upgrades you can have.

Also take a look at screamers, they are pretty nice now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4602800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4602800.page GMT BSB. he's only 125.

if i drop the flamers and the soul grinder that is all of my ranged attacks so then i'd be in the same spot i was.

i play dwarves a lot so i don't get magic off often if ever, so that's what i thought the flamers and sould grinder would help with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4602969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4602969.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4603058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4603058.page GMT BS.

Don't think so narrowly. Ranged doesn't need to be fought with our ranged shooting. Our ranged sucks.

You need some combination of fast moving units (fiends, disc-riders) and magic. Tz magic has some very good bolts. What about a block of horrors with a herald? Very survivable against shooting with 4++ and can shoot a lot of mm's back.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4603430.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4603430.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4604119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4604119.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4605030.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4605030.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4605053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4605053.page GMT Bsb should have standard of sundering. I would horde the letters ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4605811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466603/4605811.page GMT ld. So you are either paying 300 points to sit back with a normal rock thrower (which, look at other armies, is a very very bad deal), or you get stuck in... with what? Well, other big monsters it can do ok against. But against most rnf, you need a good thunderstomp every round or you risk blowing up to static.

Maybe in larger games, but at under 2k, it just isn't worth it.


As for the point about spells - I agree, you won't be able to get any particular hit off. But that wouldn't be the point... you just want to have some ranged firepower. Compare - 300 points almost gets you blue scribes, 10 horrors and a tz herald. That's 4 spells a turn that will probably do as much damage as a stone thrower even if 2-3 are getting blocked every turn... plus the potential for a lot more if you put even a few more points into them.

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