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They would probably then get the same sort of treatment that Lorgar was getting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598130.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598150.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade OP. A ship carrying enough sisters for a small Crusade ends up getting thrown back to the Great Crusade by a warp anomaly. They help the Imperial Army fight off a xenos invasion, then help re-build. Only then do they realize that this 'Imperial Army' is apparently unaware of the 'God-Emperor', and try to convert them and the local populace to the Imperial Cult. Tensions rise as a significant number of people are converted (even I have to admit their missionary zeal and appeal is not something to be underestimated) but most of the Imperial Army refuse to accept it, no thanks to the presence of several Iterators, who succeed in countering and even twisting the sisters' message. Finally, full-scale war breaks out, and eventually reaches the point that additional Imperial Army units are sent and the Emperor's attention has been drawn (considering it was a warp anomaly that sent them back, the Emperor would be more than a little curious).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598211.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
The answer would be the same:
They'd vanish.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598270.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Kanluwen wrote:You don't need to "further elaborate".

The answer would be the same:
They'd vanish.

That's it? No Last Church-style conversation with the Emperor that ends in tears and despair? No Monarchia-style rebuttal? Won't they get interrogated at least as to the nature of the 'when' they came from? I mean, it'd be obvious they have a connection the Imperium, and I'm sure the Emperor would be more than a little concerned how his dream of a secular and progressive society became a bunch of zealots.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598288.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598288.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598365.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Manchu wrote:The Soroitas are agents of the true faith. The Emperor would have no reason to persecute them.

Hmm. This is an interesting statement.

The Emperor of Heresy days would certainly be curious to meet them if they indeed were from dun dun DUN THE FUTURE!

I tend to agree with the sequestered or disappeared approach though. He would know that they are true servants and that they are telling the truth, but their very existence is testament to the failure of the dream. He would give them a place of honor, but that honor would not extend to allowing everyone else to know about them.

My guess is that they would 'serve' the emperor by hanging out with Rogal Dorn and recounting every story they know of the Heresy. As soon as Dorn caught any glimpse of their existence, he would be all over that like white on rice. They would soon be very sick of recounting every bit of history they have ever heard every minute of the day. Such is the price of service, I suppose.

It would be very interesting to know if their faith powers still worked in the time of the Heresy. That would all depend on whether faith is internal to the faithful or external (i.e. Emperor provided).

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A more broad questions that is pretty difficult is when they come back to. Do they come back pre-Prospero? Pre-Istavaan? Pre-Monarchia? Pre-Ullanor?

How much do the sisters (or anyone from 40k) remember of the Heresy? They certainly know which legions turn from the Emperor. They know who was at Istvaan. They know about Horus. They probably don't know about Erebus, but he was just a tool. They don't know the details of how the Primarchs fell, just that they fell.

Would the Emperor listen? If the Emperor wouldn't, would Malcador? Would one of the Primarchs? (Again, I think depending on timing, Dorn would be very receptive to any information they had.)

A lot of what-ifs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598387.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade WH's statement.

Actual miracles are much rarer and probably caused by either luck or the Emperor's intervention.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598405.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
Absolutely faith confronted with proof that their faith is legit. Suddenly, even if Monarchia still goes down, the Word Bearers know that they must be faithful, after all, they have proof of the end game. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598415.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

pretre wrote:their very existence is testament to the failure of the dream.

Or it's success ...

Either way, he'd put them under wraps.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598418.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598418.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Melissia wrote:Faith is internal, definitely. But they don't really have "faith powers" so much as they are extremely faithful and practice a superior form of martial arts; the unbelievable levels of training they go through, combined with the insane levels of motivation the faith gives them, results in them performing deeds that are "miraculous to the unschooled", to use C:WH's statement.

Actual miracles are much rarer and probably caused by either luck or the Emperor's intervention.

I am not sure that the 'internal-ness' of Faith has ever been clearly defined. As well, there are certainly the miracles that you mention that don't explain everything.

Superior martial arts and training don't explain being able to shrug off a lascannon shot to the face when the pinnacle of gene-technology and training would be evaporated.

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pretre wrote:their very existence is testament to the failure of the dream.
Or it's success ...

Either way, he'd put them under wraps.

Very true. It all comes down to the old question 'How much did the big E know about and when?'

They might show up and try to warn him only to have him look sadly at them with those eyes and say "I know. My daughters, have faith."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598423.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598423.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

pretre wrote:I am not sure that the 'internal-ness' of Faith has ever been clearly defined. As well, there are certainly the miracles that you mention that don't explain everything.
Superior martial arts and training don't explain being able to shrug off a lascannon shot to the face when the pinnacle of gene-technology and training would be evaporated.

It's true - you have to look carefully at the codices, however, for it really is a matter of very delicate wording - such as the Codex giving the source of the Sisters abilities as "their faith and devotion manifesting as a potent force in itself". A peculiar detail is that whenever the origin of Acts of Faith is discussed, it is always said to be the faith, not the Emperor. And since the Sisters cannot be psykers (Schola screening), that would not leave a lot of other options.

Also, what you mentioned about "shrugging off a lascannon shot to the face" is not exactly invulnerability. They still get wounded (nowhere in the tabletop it is defined that the attack needs to be a direct hit to the face) and thus "threatened to be eliminated as an active unit" - in case of a successful Act of Faith, they just refuse to succumb to their injury there and then, instead moving on where other people would collapse into unconsciousness, lie down screaming for their mum, or simply give up and die.
There are tales of similar heroics from actual wars on Earth - obviously not involving lascannons, but you get the idea. In short, it's kind of like the "Feel No Pain" rule.

That said, given the wording, I suppose another alternative to a non-supernatural origin would be some sort of Imperial Waaagh field like the Orks generate. Sounds a bit strange, but I guess it's a valid interpretation.

As to the actual question in this thread (I am still suspicious as to its actual purpose) ... personally, I suppose it's safe to say that any such Sisters would be locked away, perhaps even killed. For some reason, the Emperor doesn't strike me as a merciful leader, instead being very pragmatic and quite willing to endure the suffering of individual humans if it serves his greater goal, which is the protection of mankind as a whole. Maybe he would hear them out regarding stories from the future, or maybe he'd just think it'd be a trick to deceive him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598689.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

pretre wrote:Superior martial arts and training don't explain being able to shrug off a lascannon shot to the face when the pinnacle of gene-technology and training would be evaporated.

Maybe they're just better at making cover saves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4598876.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Melissia wrote:Lynata: You know, the Emperor is a psyker, and so he can probably read their minds to see if they're telling the truth.

Hmm, valid point, though given how the Horus Heresy - engineered by none other than his most trusted generals - thwarted his plans he is obviously not omniscient, and the Sisters have a built-in resistance against psyker stuff.
Could work, or maybe not. Without further information I won't tie myself down to either option. The whole scenario is rather crazy, anyways.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599164.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599250.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

pretre wrote:Had a built in resistance to psyker stuff.

Lalalaaaa I can't hear you over all the awesome old fluff!

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"Whoops! We forgot this paragraph:

All SoB units get a 5+ Deny the Witch save. Psykers attached to an SoB unit or nearby psychic hoods cannot modify the DtW save of an SoB unit."

or, if you really want to make psykers cry:
"Psykers attached to an SoB unit or nearby psychic hoods cannot modify the DtW save of an SoB unit. However, the DtW roll is modified by the following:
+1 if the unit is led by a superior or mistress
+1 if the unit is joined by an SoB IC
+1 if the unit has taken at least 1 casualty."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599327.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599327.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade SoB fighting the Emperor? If he said "die" they'd fire their bolters into their own mouths. Yeah, I realize that would be physically difficult, maybe even impossible. That's how devoted they are to him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599427.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599427.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Manchu wrote:Why are thinking of the SoB fighting the Emperor? If he said "die" they'd fire their bolters into their own mouths. Yeah, I realize that would be physically difficult, maybe even impossible. That's how devoted they are to him.

Who said anything about the SOB fighting the Emperor?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599436.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599442.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599445.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599450.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599450.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
Big E would be all "Hey ladies... Heard you think I'm the God Emperor of Man and an all-around pretty cool dude."
And the SoB would play coy and be all "Yeah, I guess. You're alright for a God Emperor. I mean, if you're into that sort of thing..."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599465.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
Pre-Heresey Imperium was pretty cut and dry about how they did things back then. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599467.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599467.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

BlaxicanX wrote:If the Sororitas ended up in the 30K galaxy they would instantly be branded as "mutated Humans", just like the Interex, and wiped out to a man, just like the Interex. And that's it.

Pre-Heresey Imperium was pretty cut and dry about how they did things back then.

How is their human strain any different from 30k strain? The 40k universe shows little to no evidence of evolution (beyond psychic powers, which SoB obviously don't have) over the course of 10,000 years.

Soo.... Citation needed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599472.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599472.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

pretre wrote:Nah, I think Sisters would play it a bit cooler than that.

I think it would go down something like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecstasy_of_Saint_Teresa

You know, with the Emperor rather than a dainty cherub.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599486.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599502.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

pretre wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:If the Sororitas ended up in the 30K galaxy they would instantly be branded as "mutated Humans", just like the Interex, and wiped out to a man, just like the Interex. And that's it.

Pre-Heresey Imperium was pretty cut and dry about how they did things back then.

Doesn't have anything to do with their biology being different.

It has to do with their culture. Just like the Interex. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599505.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599506.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599521.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

pretre wrote:Oh the modern interpretation part...? Yep.

To me, that sums up exactly what Sisters are about. It's a joke, really. The idea is that these ladies are wound way, way tight. If they didn't live in such a zany world, they'd just ... erm, work it out the old fashioned way. But they do live in their weird, dark times where Freud isn't even a distant memory.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599544.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599544.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599550.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Melissia wrote:I think you've been reading too much Ciaphas Cain.

It's funny you say that because Sandy Mitchell really got on my nerves talking about loose and easy sisters playing 40k poker and sleeping around. I chalk that up to Cain being an unreliable narrator. It seems to me that Sisters lead an unstinting strict life, externally and internally. These women are not "regular" people in anything but the biological sense. Psychologically, they are a perfect mirror of propaganda lines like "blessed is the mind too small for doubt." I especially hate the idea that they are susceptible to sexual deviance so the various Slaaneshi-driven stories really irk me. I think of it more like what was said of Bernini's statue of Saint Teresa: "Human sexuality or even the senses cannot have the primacy for Teresa or Bernini which they do for us." But of course, Teresa's own writing and the statue of her come off as funny to us because we're so heavily influenced by Freud.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599575.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

pretre wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:If the Sororitas ended up in the 30K galaxy they would instantly be branded as "mutated Humans", just like the Interex, and wiped out to a man, just like the Interex. And that's it.

Pre-Heresey Imperium was pretty cut and dry about how they did things back then.

Even if they were branded as mutants, they wouldn't have been exterminated, Ogryn and Ratlings are both abhumans which were first discovered during the great crusade.

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BlaxicanX wrote:
pretre wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:If the Sororitas ended up in the 30K galaxy they would instantly be branded as "mutated Humans", just like the Interex, and wiped out to a man, just like the Interex. And that's it.

Pre-Heresey Imperium was pretty cut and dry about how they did things back then.

How is their human strain any different from 30k strain? The 40k universe shows little to no evidence of evolution (beyond psychic powers, which SoB obviously don't have) over the course of 10,000 years.

Soo.... Citation needed.
Doesn't have anything to do with their biology being different.

It has to do with their culture. Just like the Interex.

Culture doesn't make one mutants. Also the Interex weren't wiped out because of their culture. The only thing regarding their culture that went directly against the Imperium was allying with xenos, and even then conflicts only broke out because Erebus was a dick.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599582.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599582.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
Although their wiping out after that is undetailed, it is probably because they resisted assimilation into the Empire (due to their mistrust from earlier episodes) and not because they were different.

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pretre wrote:Nah, I think Sisters would play it a bit cooler than that.
Big E would be all "Hey ladies... Heard you think I'm the God Emperor of Man and an all-around pretty cool dude."
And the SoB would play coy and be all "Yeah, I guess. You're alright for a God Emperor. I mean, if you're into that sort of thing..."

Damn, now I totally had to imagine this with a drawing style like the comics from MrCulexus.

Manchu wrote:I especially hate the idea that they are susceptible to sexual deviance so the various Slaaneshi-driven stories really irk me.

Are there really that many of this sort?

Anyhow, although there are of course exceptions to the rule, there are more than enough nuns who manage/d to get by without intercourse in real life, so I don't agree that the general principle is supposedly unrealistic. Given that Sororitas convents are closed to outsiders and how much they value their isolation as a bulwark against corruption, the Sisters inside wouldn't even get a chance to be tempted by a man, not to mention the level of indoctrination and self-discipline which would have been instilled in them after many years of Schola training and their novitiate. Lastly, there's always flagellantism (which we know forms an important part of their routine) as an outlet/distraction - as cliche as it sounds.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599611.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Lynata wrote:

Manchu wrote:I especially hate the idea that they are susceptible to sexual deviance so the various Slaaneshi-driven stories really irk me.

Are there really that many of this sort?

The one that comes to mind is Daemonifuge -- and that's one too many, IMO. (Not even getting into Sabathiel.) -- but I should say, it's not one too many because there should be no stories about Sisters falling to Slaanesh. Just that it would have to be done a helluva lot better than that.

Lynata wrote:so I don't agree that the general principle is supposedly unrealistic

I'm having trouble with this -- do you mean to say it is my position that celibate Sisters is unrealistic? Just to clarify, I'm on the other side: in their own world (the 40k universe) their concerns completely transcend the flesh. But they are imaginary people who only exist for our prurient benefit -- and in that sense, they are a knowing wink at movies like Ken Russell's Devils and the tradition of desperate nun exploitation fantasy that film calls upon. So, like the rest of 40k, they too are a parody of parody-worthy topics relative to the real world and deadly, deadly relative to their own. That's the distinction I think Sandy Mitchell missed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599674.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade GW is going to do that sort of thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599697.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Lynata wrote:now I totally had to imagine this with a drawing style like the comics from MrCulexus.

S-stupid God Emperor ... it's n-not like I wanted to worship your g-glory or anything ...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599699.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade those sisters were bad apples. Y'know, strayed from the norm.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599701.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599701.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599704.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Melissia wrote:it'd be better if they said that Sisters were chem-geld (meaning that they are chemically castrated literally have no hormones that cause sexual desires), but I doubt GW is going to do that sort of thing.

IMO that's not giving them enough credit. They defeat temptation by faith and will alone. No fancy procedures, a la Space Marines. Those are shortcuts -- and shortcuts are for the weak of spirit!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599705.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade And that Sandy Mitchel story gets talked about a lot on Dakka for some reason but I don't know why. I've never read it but it just seems like a group of Sisters who are there to be the exception to the rule.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599714.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599718.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599721.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I agree.
And that Sandy Mitchel story gets talked about a lot on Dakka for some reason but I don't know why. I've never read it but it just seems like a group of Sisters who are there to be the exception to the rule.

One single Sister, who was wounded and forced in to retirement to teach novitiates at a schola progenium.

People talk about it a lot because they like the idea of nuns having sex.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599724.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Melissia wrote:People talk about it a lot because they like the idea of nuns having sex.

And scoff at ladies being badass warriors that are technically more badass than Space Marines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599732.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
But yes. That too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599742.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

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Culture doesn't make one mutants. Also the Interex weren't wiped out because of their culture. The only thing regarding their culture that went directly against the Imperium was allying with xenos, and even then conflicts only broke out because Erebus was a dick.

No, actually. The only reason the Interex weren't immediately wiped off the face of the Galaxy is because Horus specifically didn't want to do so.

The other Luna Wolves, Abbadon especially, were absolutely ready to take the fight to the Interex, even before Erebus' scheming started the war. And literally the only crime the Interex were guilty of at that point was allying with Xenos.

If Sororitas popped up, they'd face that same of level of animosity due to their fanatical amount of reverence for the Emperor. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599754.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade Automatically Appended Next Post:

Melissia wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I agree.
And that Sandy Mitchel story gets talked about a lot on Dakka for some reason but I don't know why. I've never read it but it just seems like a group of Sisters who are there to be the exception to the rule.
One single Sister, who was wounded and forced in to retirement to teach novitiates at a schola progenium.

One? Oh, that seems pretty reasonable actually...

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BlaxicanX wrote:

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Culture doesn't make one mutants. Also the Interex weren't wiped out because of their culture. The only thing regarding their culture that went directly against the Imperium was allying with xenos, and even then conflicts only broke out because Erebus was a dick.

Great, so you read the HH and now you know everything?

The worlds brought into compliance by the Word Bearers were not destroyed after it was revealed that they worshipped the emperor. (Monarchia was just an object lesson.) Why would the SOB?

Allying with Xenos is much different than holding the view that the Emperor is a god.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599794.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Manchu wrote:The one that comes to mind is Daemonifuge -- and that's one too many, IMO.

Aw, I thought that was a pretty cool graphic novel.

Manchu wrote:I'm having trouble with this -- do you mean to say it is my position that celibate Sisters is unrealistic?

No - I vaguely recall some people stating it's unrealistic for Sisters to remain celibate. I don't subscribe to this position, as there are many examples in real life that serve as proof that such a lifestyle is indeed possible, given the right amount of determination (and indoctrination).

Manchu wrote:But they are imaginary people who only exist for our prurient benefit -- and in that sense, they are a knowing wink at movies like Ken Russell's Devils and the tradition of desperate nun exploitation fantasy that film calls upon. So, like the rest of 40k, they too are a parody of parody-worthy topics relative to the real world and deadly, deadly relative to their own. That's the distinction I think Sandy Mitchell missed.

Hmm, I cannot deny this, given that 40k is generally filled with cliches and the exploitation of various themes. So far, their portrayal in the studio material has remained notably pure - but intentionally or not, it leaves a lot of room for inserting "dirty thoughts" concerning naked vigils or allegations of ritualised BDSM, as well as of course the obvious "lesbian nun", all likely consequences aside. Remarkably, all of this existed in real life convents, too. Either way, the infamous rule #34 is strong with the Sororitas, I guess partially because the official fluff presents them as paragons of purity and as such somewhat innocent, which in turn only makes it even more attractive to corrupt them.
I'm not entirely sure of the psychological reason behind this, but it's a rather consistent theme throughout a number of franchises, and in real life as well.

Melissia wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:And that Sandy Mitchel story gets talked about a lot on Dakka for some reason but I don't know why. I've never read it but it just seems like a group of Sisters who are there to be the exception to the rule.
One single Sister, who was wounded and forced in to retirement to teach novitiates at a schola progenium.

In spite of the Codex material stating that:
- the lifestyle of Schola teachers is strict and puritan
- novices get made within the Order, not the Schola
- Scholas practice gender separation to preserve purity

Sandy Mitchell either didn't know or he didn't care about how the Sisters are portrayed in GW material. Either way, it ends up being a notably different presentation, which is then often pulled as "canon evidence" for it being totally okay for "Sisters to get laid". Blergh.
But what can you say, I supposed stuff like that is bound to happen in a franchise that doesn't value consistency all too highly. The downside of artistic freedom.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599799.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599799.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Lynata wrote:Either way, the infamous rule #34 is strong with the Sororitas

I'm kind of surprised there is so little of this but I guess that says more about 40k being a little known property outside of its niche audience more than anything else.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599854.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599854.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Manchu wrote:

Lynata wrote:Either way, the infamous rule #34 is strong with the Sororitas

I'm kind of surprised there is so little of this but I guess that says more about 40k being a little known property outside of its niche audience more than anything else.

Define "little".

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There's also a website devoted entirely to rule #34 from any and all franchises, but I would not necessarily recommend going there unless you are already corrupted by the internet. Some of those images are pretty extreme.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599934.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4599997.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600044.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade Automatically Appended Next Post:

Manchu wrote:
pretre wrote:their very existence is testament to the failure of the dream.
Or it's success ...

Either way, he'd put them under wraps.

Very true. It all comes down to the old question 'How much did the big E know about and when?'

They might show up and try to warn him only to have him look sadly at them with those eyes and say "I know. My daughters, have faith."

This I would buy, and it would be an interesting twist if the Big E knew, not only knew but anticipated or planned for the Horus Heresy. It would be a "Just as planned" to make Tzeentch jealous and would make sense under certain interpretations of just who the Emperor was/is. It would further set up for a killer third act to the 40k main plot. The rise of the Imperium of Man, the Horus Heresy and the Second Imperium, and act three which would either be "The Fall of Man" or the Imperium Reborn.

Also +1 to Manchu for a very sophisiticated art joke, I thought I was one of the only people who knew about that statue

Edit: annnnnnnnnnnd I got sniped by tons of relevant conversation XD

Glad to know I'm not the only one bothered by the slutty sisters theme that seems to get around now and then. I was raised Catholic and my great aunt is a nun, I've even gotten to visit the convent and was schooled by nuns for a few years. If they're comparative to the Sisters on some level (even if the Catholic church never had female Orders Militant) then the average sister is a humble, dedicated woman of incredible faith and self discipline. It takes an incredible commitment from a human being to join one of the Catholic Holy Orders. That said as certain priests have shown in recent years that does not mean they are past corruption or temptation.

I also want to second the "Nuns are Mikos" trope being stupid.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600078.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600144.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600144.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600182.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600497.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600497.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Tadashi wrote:This is pre-Monarchia, people. The height of the Great Crusade...assuming they get subdued, whatever information they possess will be ripped from their heads and used by the Emperor to prevent the Horus Heresy. Lorgar in particular needs to know the nightmare of the 41st Millennium - better way to make him stop worshippping something than burning a city to the ground.

You are assuming he didn't already know.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600523.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

pretre wrote:

Tadashi wrote:This is pre-Monarchia, people. The height of the Great Crusade...assuming they get subdued, whatever information they possess will be ripped from their heads and used by the Emperor to prevent the Horus Heresy. Lorgar in particular needs to know the nightmare of the 41st Millennium - better way to make him stop worshippping something than burning a city to the ground.

You are assuming he didn't already know.

Either you're saying the Emperor planned the Horus Heresy to happen, or that he's omniscient, which is impossible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600785.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600785.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600798.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600808.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Manchu wrote:Neither is impossible.

Indeed, at the Emperor's level of sheer power, is omniscience really so unbelieveable? Or the fact that the Emperor was /very/ smart and he knew his sons. He might not have known Horus would betray him, but why wouldn't he have planned extensively for a possibly catastrophic mass betrayal? Knowing that one of his remaining sons, whether it be Horus, Gulliman, Dorn, the Lion, etc would do what needed to be done to preserve the Imperium and humanity.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600814.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

KalashnikovMarine wrote:

Manchu wrote:Neither is impossible.

I doubt that included him being reduced to mummified corpse on the Golden Throne, kept alive only by its arcane mechanisms. Or the Imperium being reduced from a vigorous and progressive empire into a stagnant, and slowly decaying waste.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600836.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade
The Emperor would do whatever he needed to to save humanity. Theres precedent for saviors sacrificing themselves to save us from sin/ourselves/aliens/the pockyclypse.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4600845.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

pretre wrote:What if that period of declIne was necessary for humanity to survive? What if the only way he would survive long enough to ensure that dream was the throne?

The Emperor would do whatever he needed to to save humanity. Theres precedent for saviors sacrificing themselves to save us from sin/ourselves/aliens/the pockyclypse.

Unlikely...as the events of the Horus Heresy make it clear the old man didn't plan for everything.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4601105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4601105.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4601685.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4601685.page GMT Re:The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

AlmightyWalrus wrote:On a purely technological level the AdMech would wet themselves over the Power Armour. Sure, it's not Astartes grade craftsmanship, but it's 10,000 years more advanced than anything they'd have access to.

The novelty would fade rather quickly...the Mechanicum were less stingy with STCs back then, not to mention less superstitious. Proof of this is the superior equipment and load-out of the Imperial Army - things that are rare in the 41st Millennium like Vanquishers, Executioners, Destroyers, and even Baneblades were rather common fare back during the 31st Millennium. Sure, the Sisters' gear is sweet, but once they figure out what makes it 'tick' (which wouldn't take long, as I said, they were less dogmatic and superstitious at the time and more daring and innovative), they'd configure it to Legio Astartes standards and use the combined data to create a Mk. V Power Armor that's probably superior even to Mk. VIII Power Armor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4601718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4601718.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade STC?

and it's still possible the Big E knew his "sorta" death and the fall was coming, but put it on his sons to lead the Imperium through it... or expected that when the heresy came it wouldn't be nearly on the scale that Horus pulled off. Great men are prone to hind sight, even with near omniscience from a series or two I've read with characters on a similar scale.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4601831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4601831.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Aren't Baneblades listed as "Light Tanks" on their STC?

They are, but for all intents and purposes they are super-heavies as far as the Imperium is concerned...but if Baneblades were light tanks, I can't help but salivate at what an STC super-heavy would be...not to mention the boons the Mechanicum will give for a complete STC...I want my Chapter re-equipped with STC-grade equipment.

*Ahem* Back to topic, my point is that since the Mechanicum were less superstitious and more daring and innovative back then (and not so stingy with tech), any novelty they get from studying the Sisters' gear would quickly fade. They'd learn what they can, compare it with what they have, and build something greater than anything we've seen.

BTW...is your avatar a Sister wearing a Grey Knight's ruined helmet? You do realize the blood is toxic, right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4601856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4601856.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Tadashi wrote:BTW...is your avatar a Sister wearing a Grey Knight's ruined helmet? You do realize the blood is toxic, right?

It's an obvious allusion to that other avatar. And it's called comic realism.

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Lynata wrote:

Tadashi wrote:BTW...is your avatar a Sister wearing a Grey Knight's ruined helmet? You do realize the blood is toxic, right?

It's an obvious allusion to that other avatar. And it's called comic realism.

Lynata has it, and Psienesis wraps it up for the score, take an exaltation both of you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4603504.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4603504.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade

Tadashi wrote:

pretre wrote:What if that period of declIne was necessary for humanity to survive? What if the only way he would survive long enough to ensure that dream was the throne?

The Emperor would do whatever he needed to to save humanity. Theres precedent for saviors sacrificing themselves to save us from sin/ourselves/aliens/the pockyclypse.

Unlikely...as the events of the Horus Heresy make it clear the old man didn't plan for everything.

Actually he did plan for everything. The Emperor saw the Heresy coming. That's the whole point.

It's explained in the end of Outcast Dead.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4603657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4603657.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4603668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4603668.page GMT The Adepta Sororitas in the Great Crusade http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4619078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/466677/4619078.page GMT