http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net GK Librarian will fall in battle and yet such is his iron will that he can continue the fight. Not as a Man, but as a Man-machine. So he shall be interred in a mighty Dreadnought, its powerful frame only matched by his potent psychic abilities. Such a combination of the mind of Librarian with the hull of a Dreadnought makes for a powerful force indeed.

0-1 HQ choice

GK Librarian Dreadnought: 225 pts

WS:5 BS:5 Str:6 FAV:12 SAV:12 RAV:10 I:4 A:2

Composition: 1 Librarian Dreadnought

Unit Type: Vehicle, Walker

Hull Points: 3

Wargear: 2 Nemesis Doomfists, each with a built-in stormbolter, Smoke Launchers, Psychic Hood

Special Rules: The Aegis, Preferred Enemy(Daemons), Psychic Pilot, Reinforced Aegis, Venerable, Ancient Master*

Psychic Powers: Fortitude, Hammerhand

*Ancient Master: A Librarian Dreadnought is a mastery Lvl2 psyker for the purposes of Psychic Pilot rather then mastery lvl1. In addition he may, instead of purchasing powers from the GK codex, roll a number of psychic powers equal to his Mastery level from the Divination, Pyromancy, or Telikinesis disciplines.


Options:

Upgrade Ancient Master to be Mastery lvl3 instead of 2 - 50 pts

May replace one of his Nemisis Doomfists with the following(retaining the built-in weapon),

Nemesis Force Halberd - free
Nemesis Warding Stave* - 35 pts

*A Nemesis Warding Stave provides the Librarian Dreadnought a 4+ Invuln save against all damage results suffered while in melee, and otherwise follows the rules for all Nemesis weaponry.

May replace any stormbolter with one of the following,

Heavy Flamer- 10 pts
Psilencer- 5 pts

May take any of the following
Psybolts - 5 pts
Psyflame - 5 pts
Searchlight - 1 pt
Warp Stabilization Field - 5 pts
Truesilver armor - 10 pts
Extra Armor - 15 pts

If psychic powers are not generated from the main book disciplines, may take any of the following psychic powers

Dark Excommunication, Quicksilver, Might of Titan, Sanctuary, Smite, The Shrouding, The Summoning, Vortex of Doom, Warp Rift - 5 pts each


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4665954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4665954.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4669636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4669636.page GMT Other than that, itlooks fine.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4669666.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4669666.page GMT ott to be honest, I see its massivly expensive, but any dread with a 2+ invun is a bit.... mad

But appart from that its cool, far too expensive for what it brings, I think 175 base wuld be fair as its still only a dreadnought av12 and 3 Hull points, I would say give it a 5+ invun (like the contemptor) too and drop the warding stave.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4669668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4669668.page GMT
Chaos have to do it. Nids have to do it. Every army has to do it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4669808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4669808.page GMT BA libby dreads are upgraded from Furioso. I think the Warding Stave is a bit much, but the Halberd is what bugs me. With it this guy is striking at Either Str 10, Int 4, in the case of anything Int 4- or vehicles, or T 7+. Or if fighting something quivk but fragile, like Haywire wychs, he could be still a Str 6 power weapon with Int 6.


@Bloodhorror

Those models have a set amount of powers. GK Libbies, the only ones who can access those disciplines, along with this guy, can purchase a vast number, meaning they could possibly get an entire Discipline including the Primaris, and most of another discipline (11 max). So the GW GK FAQ and this guy just tells you to roll equal to the mastery level however new powers cannot be purchased from the codex.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670234.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670234.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670254.page GMT
Maybe if I dropped it to only be a 4+ invulnerable(bigger thing to protect)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670303.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670325.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670328.page GMT
Thats a 300 point model thats only AV12 with 3 hull points. I'd hope it has some sort of save.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670339.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670339.page GMT IC (Draigo, Grand Master or pair of non-TDA guys like Brotherhood Champs).can fly around in a raven, and have this guy in the back without the need for a Libby to cast Shrouding. So save space.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670408.page GMT
To me it seems that the warding stave is established as assault only for its save. 25 or 35 points for a 4+ save in assault seems fair enough.

Venerable dreadnoughts are much poorer value in 6th than they were in 5th. But it's sensible to make the Librarian dreadnought Venerable so that just has to be accepted. But no GK vehicle (and very few vehicles in the game) gets an invulnerable save, and as far as I'm aware no vehicle at all gets a 4+. So 4+ in combat for +35 points seems fair enough. I wouldn't necessarily quibble with +25 points either, but I think we do have to accept that dreadnoughts, especially assault dreadnoughts, are not so hot a choice in 6th and price this accordingly (and warding stave apart, I think you've done a fantastic job, miles better than most of the monstosities that 'grace' this particular forum).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670410.page GMT
I'd make it 30 points for a permenant 4+
Or maybe a 20 for assualt only?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670431.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670431.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670448.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670471.page GMT GK anyway. And if the Dreadnought had 5+ (or 4+) and cast Shrouding, that'd be a huge boost.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4670492.page GMT
I'll drop the point cost to 35 and make it 4++ in melee only.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4671057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4671057.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4671110.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4671110.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4671118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4671118.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4671150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/470635/4671150.page GMT