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Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

PresidentOfAsia — GMT

For my Elysian Army, I want to model a drop trooperr with a red beret and say that is my commissar b/c I think the commissar cap would look rather out of place with the Elysians. I'm just wondering if its fluffy or possible for a commissar to wear a different hat to be more practical seeing that not even Guaunt wore a different hat.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Somedude593 — GMT

The hat is the symbol of commisarial authority, so no fluff wise. However you can paint and make ur models however you dang well please and noone will stop you.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

PresidentOfAsia — GMT

Somedude593 wrote:
The hat is the symbol of commisarial authority, so no fluff wise. However you can paint and make ur models however you dang well please and noone will stop you.

What about Inquisitors? Also, any way you would be able to justify the Commissar beret?

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Somedude593 — GMT

inquisitors are like ghosts.... they could look like anybody or anything as long as its human. you could say it got shot off by a venom cannon while he was putting his chainsword in its brain.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

PresidentOfAsia — GMT

Somedude593 wrote:
inquisitors are like ghosts.... they could look like anybody or anything as long as its human. you could say it got shot off by a venom cannon while he was putting his chainsword in its brain.

lol, good one, I'm going to be using that

Re:Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Grey Templar — GMT

Given that Commissars are one of the few organizations that is uniform accross the Imperium you would have trouble justifying an alteration.

Of course you could say that the "Commissars" are actually just a Military Police officer corps that has been assigned to your regiment by Sector command to keep order. They happen to wear Berets. Ruleswise they are Commissars.

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Lynata — GMT

Grey Templar wrote:Of course you could say that the "Commissars" are actually just a Military Police officer corps that has been assigned to your regiment by Sector command to keep order. They happen to wear Berets. Ruleswise they are Commissars.

Better yet, make these MPs part of the regiment as per its homeworld's military standards.

Sector Command having some sort of MP sounds a bit fishy/redundant (as this is a Commissar's job), but there's nothing to say against the planet's own PDF working this way.
Would work better with a non-Elysian army that just looks and feels and plays like Elysians (since if you'd do such non-standard stuff with Elysians themselves, you're basically making a precedence for all Elysians), but I don't think that people will really bother on such a miniscule detail. Most gamers don't engage in the same level of fluff nitpicking as I do.

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PresidentOfAsia — GMT

Lynata wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:Of course you could say that the "Commissars" are actually just a Military Police officer corps that has been assigned to your regiment by Sector command to keep order. They happen to wear Berets. Ruleswise they are Commissars.
Better yet, make these MPs part of the regiment as per its homeworld's military standards.

Sector Command having some sort of MP sounds a bit fishy/redundant (as this is a Commissar's job), but there's nothing to say against the planet's own PDF working this way.
Would work better with a non-Elysian army that just looks and feels and plays like Elysians (since if you'd do such non-standard stuff with Elysians themselves, you're basically making a precedence for all Elysians), but I don't think that people will really bother on such a miniscule detail. Most gamers don't engage in the same level of fluff nitpicking as I do.

Since Elysians can take commissars in IA8, I thought why not take commissars; But the Commissars more for fluff purposes then anything for my Elysian regiment. In my actual list, I'm going to be taking Company command squads for my HQ unless its at 2000 pts for which in that case, I'll take a Lord Commissar as a cheap HQ for my 2nd FOC. I never really liked GW's commissar models and they look rather out of place with their impractical greatcoats compared to the Elysian's practical portable equipment.

For my fluff, I thought of this: The Commissar over time, adopted the doctrines of the Elysians to keep as light and practical as possible but at the same time, still needs something to maintain his authority and thus, takes on the Beret as it is something an officer would wear and doesn't give away his position as much as his commissar cap.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Melissia — GMT

Commissars are less about practicality and more about maintaining morale and discipline, striking both fear and awe in to the soldiers under their sway to motivate them to fight harder for the Imperium.

Thus, the unique uniform and very, very nice hat.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

PresidentOfAsia — GMT

Melissia wrote:
Commissars are less about practicality and more about maintaining morale and discipline, striking both fear and awe in to the soldiers under their sway to motivate them to fight harder for the Imperium.

Thus, the unique uniform and very, very nice hat.

Berets can be intimidating/inspiring if done right

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Ailaros — GMT

I agree that if you're going to take commissars with berets, you've got to counts-as the commissar. The commissariat proper is all about strict order and discipline. They have a uniform. They must wear that uniform, and exactly the way that the protocol dictates. Commissars are not known for their individuality or their willingness to bend rules for the sake of creativity and flare.

As for inquisitors, they can wear whatever the hell they want. They're inquisitors.

Of course, if you give an inquisitor a beret, he's going to look silly, a la this old mockup I made:

And Che was neither intimidating nor inspiring. He only is to those people who look at a picture of him taken 60 years ago and forget that he was a failed wannabe warlord.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

DeffDred — GMT

PresidentOfAsia wrote:
Melissia wrote:
Commissars are less about practicality and more about maintaining morale and discipline, striking both fear and awe in to the soldiers under their sway to motivate them to fight harder for the Imperium.

Thus, the unique uniform and very, very nice hat.

Berets can be intimidating/inspiring if done right

But the hats are much sexier (And harder to draw )

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

PresidentOfAsia — GMT

DeffDred wrote:
PresidentOfAsia wrote:
Melissia wrote:
Commissars are less about practicality and more about maintaining morale and discipline, striking both fear and awe in to the soldiers under their sway to motivate them to fight harder for the Imperium.

Thus, the unique uniform and very, very nice hat.

Berets can be intimidating/inspiring if done right

But the hats are much sexier (And harder to draw )

I just decided to rework the beret commissar out of my fluff cause the Catachan beret head would look funky on the Elysian bodies anyways,

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

chyron — GMT

There's one rather practical question though - how commissar's cap is worn in case of airborne troops. IMHO for time of actual drop, it'll be not on the head, but reliably fixed somewhere else - as it's kinda against regs if it'l be lost to the winds.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

PresidentOfAsia — GMT

chyron wrote:
There's one rather practical question though - how commissar's cap is worn in case of airborne troops. IMHO for time of actual drop, it'll be not on the head, but reliably fixed somewhere else - as it's kinda against regs if it'l be lost to the winds.

What about the rest of his uniform such as his great coat?

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

The Mad Tanker — GMT

You could model the Commissar with his regular hat wedged in his belt and sporting a beret becasue he just made a jump.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

purplefood — GMT

PresidentOfAsia wrote:
chyron wrote:
There's one rather practical question though - how commissar's cap is worn in case of airborne troops. IMHO for time of actual drop, it'll be not on the head, but reliably fixed somewhere else - as it's kinda against regs if it'l be lost to the winds.

What about the rest of his uniform such as his great coat?

Well he's wearing that so unless the wind tears his arms off then it will stay on...

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quickfuze — GMT

Yeah but the uniformity is for those "dirty stinking leg" Commissars....If this guy is leading a drop troop army....then he needs to sport the Airborne beret. Sky Soldiers!

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

yeri — GMT

Honestly I think he can wear whatever hat he darn well pleases. He's the one that can BLAM people for whatever reason. Are you really going to tell the guy who can exicute you if you so much as look at him funny that he can't have a beret?

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Lynata — GMT

His superior might.

Though, frankly, Commissars are universally Schola-bred and thus highly indoctrinated, and uniformity is one of the most obvious indicators of discipline, which is what Commissars are all about anyways. It'd take quite a lot to push the stickler-for-rules out of their personality.

And since when do Elysians wear berets, anyways? I've only ever seen them with helmets.

If you want to do a Commissar, do him like a Commissar. If you want to do something else ... call them something else. Problem solved.

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SagesStone — GMT

He could also possibly face punishment for swapping the hat out anyway.

But, they do get slight variations from time to time. Very slight.

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DeffDred — GMT

Is there an existing Droptroop Commisar model?

It could be possible that commisars are issued several types of uniform adjustments/modifications.

Imagine a guard regiment assulting a colony of mining heretics within an astroid belt.

The Administratum gather some sort of specialist regiment that excels in void combat.

Commisars attached to those regiments wouldn't tighten their caps and hold their breaths.

They'd swap it out for a stylized helmet with rebreather.

So why couldn't a droptroop commisar have a cap better suited to windy conditions?

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

purplefood — GMT

Like...
One with holes in for the wind?
Or a hat with a propeller on the top

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Lynata — GMT

DeffDred wrote:So why couldn't a droptroop commisar have a cap better suited to windy conditions?

But then why wouldn't he wear a specially marked variant of the helmet issued to the drop troopers instead, when he's already "adapting"?

I imagine berets still fly away when you parachute through the air, so it's not really like if a Commissar would actually gain something compared to a hat (which could possibly be fastened via chin straps btw). Of course that's just a personal opinion, but if it was my army it'd sound just a little too fishy to actually come off as an explanation rather than a (poor) excuse to do a deviation out of pure real world preference.
If it's that important, may as well just ignore the fluff and make that explanation unnecessary.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Testify — GMT

I think what we'd all like to see is a commissar in a tricorn.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Lynata — GMT

FUND IT!

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Buttons — GMT

Testify wrote:
I think what we'd all like to see is a commissar in a tricorn.

I do not care for tricornes. Now bicornes are manly hats, the hats of Admirals and Field Marshals.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Testify — GMT

Buttons wrote:
Testify wrote:
I think what we'd all like to see is a commissar in a tricorn.

I do not care for tricornes. Now bicornes are manly hats, the hats of Admirals and Field Marshals.

Commissar is a lower rank than Admiral/Field Marshal. A Lord Commissar though, sure.

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yeri — GMT

Oh yea, didn't you say this guy was supposed to be a lord commissar? Isn't that about as high as it gets in field commissars? Lets say he "goes native" and wears a special commissar beret in the field, and his regular hat for more formal occasions (like meeting with superiors) He'll wear one hat at a time and keep the other in a ditty bag or something. The beret doesn't need to be simple, it could have all the bops and bobs of a regular commissar hat, but in beret style.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Testify — GMT

It's your army and you can model it however you like. But fluff-wise it's completely wrong.

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st2me — GMT

Hell most Commissars wear the peaked cap with the black cap and red trim. But Caiphas Cain on the book covers wears a valhallen jacket and camo fatigue pants it looks like. I personally think Commissars dress so the IG see them as authority figures with the dreadful power to execute those who fail in their duty to the Emperor. Commissars with the Steel Legion adopt a rebreather and trenchcoat while one (if he lasts) with the Catachans may feature a beret and camo pants.

Inquisitor dress how they like whether in disguise like Inquisitor Zhow in the "Enforcer" book or out in the open in power armour like inquisitor lord Cortez, they dress for the environment or however they want.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

cadbren — GMT

Wouldn't they more likely wear a black beret with maybe a red stripe on the band?

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Lynata — GMT

st2me wrote:But Caiphas Cain on the book covers wears a valhallen jacket and camo fatigue pants it looks like.

For some strange reason, Cain was also raised in a Schola Progenium that does not practice gender segregation, which trains new Commissars and SoB on-site rather than just sending suitable progena to convents and army groups where they would normally do their training as Novices or Commissar Cadets, where the rules for its teachers seem to have been relaxed quite a bit, and where the progena are trained not by Drill Abbots but by senior officers of their future organisations. Also, for another strange reason, the most self-serving and cowardly progena may end up in the Commissariat rather than in the scriptoriums of the Adeptus Terra, where the majority of students, those who lack a notable aptitude for military duty, are sent to.

Novels, eh?

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st2me — GMT

Lynata wrote:
st2me wrote:But Caiphas Cain on the book covers wears a valhallen jacket and camo fatigue pants it looks like.
For some strange reason, Cain was also raised in a Schola Progenium that does not practice gender segregation, which trains new Commissars and SoB on-site rather than just sending suitable progena to convents and army groups where they would normally do their training as Novices or Commissar Cadets, where the rules for its teachers seem to have been relaxed quite a bit, and where the progena are trained not by Drill Abbots but by senior officers of their future organisations. Also, for another strange reason, the most self-serving and cowardly progena may end up in the Commissariat rather than in the scriptoriums of the Adeptus Terra, where the majority of students, those who lack a notable aptitude for military duty, are sent to.

Novels, eh?

Thanks for adding more to what I said, it shows how much 40K knowledge people have out there

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Lynata — GMT

st2me wrote:Thanks for adding more to what I said, it shows how much 40K knowledge people have out there

I think you misunderstood the intention of my post - though you still raise a valid point.

I was pointing out that novels may contain sometimes drastic deviations from what we know out of the rulebooks and codices published by the GW team itself. However, at the same time this does not make either of these sources "wrong" or "invalid" - it's just a different interpretation of the setting, or - to borrow from an explanation by Aaron Dembski-Bowden - a different lens to look through when investigating this setting, this world so heavily distorted by myth and hearsay, by historical revisionism and flawed record-keeping.

Which also means that OP is perfectly free to use berets for his Commissars. All he has to realise is that this isn't quite what GW has shown us - it would be his own personal take on the setting.
And for what it's worth, all of us have our own personal take on the setting somewhere, for the sources simply leave too much room for interpretation, not to mention all the homebrewed fluff behind our own made-up armies and battle companies.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

White Ninja — GMT

Not wear the hat. BAM what heresy is this.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Dakkadood — GMT

Better more fluffy justification (and overall more badass).

"While many Comissars are brave enough to dare the regiment's ferocious grav-chute entries, few of them have the skill to survive for their second. The Comissariat, ,after generations of having some of the lowest Comissar life expectancy times, has decreed and extent partial Comissar authority to locally trained , who share the regiment's unique training and are viewed as leaders by their assigned squads".

There you go, this guys are so badass they do the job Comissars can't do.

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

Veteran Sergeant — GMT

Ailaros wrote:

And Che was neither intimidating nor inspiring. He only is to those people who look at a picture of him taken 60 years ago and forget that he was a failed wannabe warlord.

Seriously. Che Guarva is one of the most poorly understood icons. The dude's greatest accomplishment was selling a ton of t-shirts. Rather amusing that a guy who was essentially an anarchist (who was amusingly branded as a Communist) is now a significant capitalist brand of merchandise.

“Tengo una remera del Che y no sé por qué.”

On topic, remember that commissars are just typified with the coat and big hat. Like most things in 40K, the exceptions are often limited only by your ability to write up a decent justification for things. And even commissars aren't cut from a mold. We've seen it in people like Ciaphas Cain. He might be a polarizing figure in 40K lore, but he's a good example of how the system doesn't always work. It's actually rather funny that 40K fans seem to understand that everything in the Imperium is failing, that sometimes even Space Marines and Sisters of Battle can get corrupted, but people will argue that Cain is "unrealistic" because being raised by the Progenium should have brainwashed him to be like all other commissars.

Give your commies berets if you want. I mean, the complete lack of any utility seems to preclude the beret as a realistic battlefield headpiece, but rule of cool. If you think little French hats are cool, I guess.

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TheAngrySquig — GMT

This guy with a berret would make a fine looking commissar

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Coolyo294 — GMT

TheAngrySquig wrote:

This guy with a berret would make a fine looking commissar

What model is this?

Can a Commissar wear a beret instead of his cap?

TheAngrySquig — GMT

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