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				<description><![CDATA[ What up wargamers?! First post on these forums so I might aswell as leave an impression. I'm making a 1750 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> list for an upcoming Tournament! I'll just cut to the chase and give the list:<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Grandmaster<br /> -Psycannon<br /> -Nemesis Daemon Hammer<br /> -Psykotroke Grenades<br /> -Rad Grenades<br /> <br /> Ordo Malleus Inquistor (I had 25 Points left <img src="/s/i/a/c614b4720f1b7225b0523f616ac30b2f.gif" border="0">)<br /> Elites:<br /> 5 Paladins<br /> -2 Psycannons<br /> -2 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer<br /> -1 Nemesis Warding Stave<br /> -1 Brotherhood Banner<br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 5 Grey Knights<br /> -1 Psycannon<br /> -4 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer (Master Crafted and on Justicar)<br /> -Razorback w/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> 5 Grey Knights<br /> -1 Psycannon<br /> -4 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer (Master Crafted and on Justicar)<br /> -Razorback w/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> 5 Grey Knights<br /> -1 Psycannon<br /> -4 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer (Master Crafted and on Justicar)<br /> -Razorback w/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> <br /> Fast Attack:<br /> Stormraven Gunship<br /> -Twin Linked Assault Cannon/Heavy Bolter/Hurricane Bolters/Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> Heavy Support:<br /> Dreadnought<br /> -2 Twin-Linked Autocannons<br /> -Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> Dreadnought<br /> -2 Twin-Linked Autocannons<br /> -Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> Razorbacks and Dreadnoughts shuffle around for objectives and vehicles potshots. Grandmaster and Paladins (Grandmaster makes then scoring) zoom in on stormraven and kill everything. Any fixes, thoughts, critique, etc is greatly appreciated!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:23:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:1750 Grey Knights </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Hey<br /> <br /> It's definitely stout.  alot of shooting.  you have to be wary of horde armies i think, and volume of fire units, since your 5 man squads will melt under alot of shots.  Personally, i would replace those 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>'s with draigo, that way your pallies become a scoring unit as well, but thats just me.  Also, might want to find a way to sneak an apothecary into the pallies, that makes them nigh unkillable nowadays.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 6 Sep 2012 03:57:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:1750 Grey Knights </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6a3840968f766eb32af4e33e66b5450c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/474606/4736873.page"><b>Gunnvulcan wrote:</b></a><br/>Hey<br /> <br /> It's definitely stout.  alot of shooting.  you have to be wary of horde armies i think, and volume of fire units, since your 5 man squads will melt under alot of shots.  Personally, i would replace those 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>'s with draigo, that way your pallies become a scoring unit as well, but thats just me.  Also, might want to find a way to sneak an apothecary into the pallies, that makes them nigh unkillable nowadays.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well the grandmaster makes the paladins a scoring automatically (grand strategy, roll a D3, automatically at least a 1, so palys are scoring <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">). And to me kaldor got nerfed since his attack are only AP3 (force sword).<br /> Apothecaries are useless now. They were good in 5th but since Feel No Pain is only on a 5+ paying 75 points ain't worth it. Thanks for the insight though! <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:30:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Zarrath]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ looks solid to me <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> let me know how you do against the armies so play against. maybe if you can get a psybolt ammo in there might be nice. paladins with sword for the +4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(73);'>ini</span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:42:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think you would be better off having a 10 strong <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(523);'>GKSS</span> with psybolt with a rhino.  I'd take my justicars with halberds it's really easy to lose that hammer in challenges.  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>IMHO</span> the raven should be plain, it's most likely going to be a round 2 target.  So Hurricane sponsons and psybolt make it too expensive for what it already is.  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> is the way to go, and the warding stave isn't going to be very useful <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>.  Points could be spent elsewhere.  You could possibly save up for coteaz, divination will be your best friend.  I agree with Vulcan, against hordes you will struggle a bit.  Orks will overun you midfield I suggest a NDK if you can ration points elsewhere.  It's not solid but it could be improved, youre on the right track.  Keep us updated on how it goes for you! Cheers!<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 26 Sep 2012 22:10:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Klown]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c6e5e81e9fb30c20f95ee78a5a775ea6.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/474606/4735774.page"><b>Zarrath wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Grandmaster<br /> -Psycannon<br /> -Nemesis Daemon Hammer<br /> -Psykotroke Grenades<br /> -Rad Grenades<br /> <font color='yellow'>drop the psycannon, costs WAY too much to be worth it, and drop the hammer to a sword, dont wanna waste that I5 and a 3++ in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> is awesome. also I would drop the rad nades to save points but leave them (or drop psycho nades) is fine <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>IMHO</span> </font><br /> <br /> Ordo Malleus Inquistor (I had 25 Points left <img src="/s/i/a/c614b4720f1b7225b0523f616ac30b2f.gif" border="0">)<br /> <font color='yellow'>pretty bad thing to do with 25 extra pts, and how do you have 25 EXTRA points?? that means something was done wrong, I mean 5 pts sure, 10 even...but 25? cmon <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> </font><br /> <br /> Elites:<br /> 5 Paladins<br /> -2 Psycannons<br /> -2 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer<br /> -1 Nemesis Warding Stave<br /> -1 Brotherhood Banner<br /> <font color='yellow'>I really hate the stave, especially since its <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> only and the fact 2+ armor is so much better and you cannot allocate yourself anymore.... also I'd drop the banner and save that for 7+ man squads, get another hammer and halberd, though I can see a sword or 2 being nice for the better invul </font><br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 5 Grey Knights<br /> -1 Psycannon<br /> -4 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer (Master Crafted and on Justicar)<br /> -Razorback w/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <font color='yellow'>strike squads should NOT have halberds, costs WAY too much for a single attack, other than that these guys are golden <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> (though I like 10 in a rhino more shooting both cannons out the top)</font><br /> <br /> 5 Grey Knights<br /> -1 Psycannon<br /> -4 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer (Master Crafted and on Justicar)<br /> -Razorback w/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <font color='yellow'>see above </font><br /> <br /> 5 Grey Knights<br /> -1 Psycannon<br /> -4 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer (Master Crafted and on Justicar)<br /> -Razorback w/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <font color='yellow'>see above</font><br /> <br /> <br /> Fast Attack:<br /> Stormraven Gunship<br /> -Twin Linked Assault Cannon/Heavy Bolter/Hurricane Bolters/Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <font color='yellow'>I dont like using these as gun ships :/ I mean you pay for the transportation capabilities, use them! though worse comes to worse, I like using <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PC</span> on top with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> on the front, nice and effective for "free" <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></font><br /> <br /> Heavy Support:<br /> Dreadnought<br /> -2 Twin-Linked Autocannons<br /> -Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> Dreadnought<br /> -2 Twin-Linked Autocannons<br /> -Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <font color='yellow'>good stuff <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></font><br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>IMHO</span> some more troops would be nice, maybe look into making the paladins into terminators and squeeze in a dreadknight with heavy incin and teleporter (making him scoring with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(524);'>GM</span>)<br /> <br /> good luck!!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 27 Sep 2012 04:34:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ BewareOfTom]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c6e5e81e9fb30c20f95ee78a5a775ea6.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/474606/4735774.page"><b>Zarrath wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Troops:<br /> 5 Grey Knights<br /> -1 Psycannon<br /> -4 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer (Master Crafted and on Justicar)<br /> -Razorback w/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammunition<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I belive you have 6 weapons for 5 guys. <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>Imo</span> I would go for 10man squads in a rhino. And buy them psybolt ammo.<br /> Get two of those and combat squad them later if you like.<br /> Also, remember that the rhinos and razorbacks can very easy give your opponent first blood.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:12:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Vombat]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c6e5e81e9fb30c20f95ee78a5a775ea6.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/474606/4735774.page"><b>Zarrath wrote:</b></a><br/>What up wargamers?! First post on these forums so I might aswell as leave an impression. I'm making a 1750 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> list for an upcoming Tournament! I'll just cut to the chase and give the list:<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Grandmaster<br /> -Psycannon <font color='red'>- Costs too much for what its worth with this unit</font><br /> -Nemesis Daemon Hammer<br /> -Psykotroke Grenades<br /> -Rad Grenades<br /> <br /> Ordo Malleus Inquistor (I had 25 Points left <img src="/s/i/a/c614b4720f1b7225b0523f616ac30b2f.gif" border="0">) <font color='red'>- Also a waste</font><br /> Elites:  <font color='red'>- Brotherhood Banner never seemed useful to me with paladins, you are only gaining 1 overall attack on a charge by that Paladin not having a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> weapon.  Warding Staff is a waste, you are better off having 2 of them with swords to have a +2/++3 in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.</font><br /> 5 Paladins<br /> -2 Psycannons<br /> -2 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer<br /> -1 Nemesis Warding Stave<br /> -1 Brotherhood Banner<br /> <br /> Troops:   <font color='red'> - FOR ALL STRIKE MODELS - Halberds are a complete waste of points, you are taking a model with 1 base attack, isnt fearless and doesnt have Purifiing Flame(Like Purifiers) and making the model cost ONE point less. </font><br /> 5 Grey Knights<br /> -1 Psycannon<br /> -4 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer (Master Crafted and on Justicar) - <font color='red'> - Also a waste of points for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>, a 5 man unit if Strikes in any sort of combat will die quickly, they are pretty much meant to hang out in their Razorback and wait till turn 5 to get out for an objective. </font><br /> -Razorback w/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> 5 Grey Knights<br /> -1 Psycannon<br /> -4 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer (Master Crafted and on Justicar)<br /> -Razorback w/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> 5 Grey Knights<br /> -1 Psycannon<br /> -4 Nemesis Halberds<br /> -1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer (Master Crafted and on Justicar)<br /> -Razorback w/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> <br /> Fast Attack: - <font color='red'> You are really taking the Heavy Bolter?</font><br /> Stormraven Gunship<br /> -Twin Linked Assault Cannon/Heavy Bolter/Hurricane Bolters/Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> Heavy Support:<br /> Dreadnought<br /> -2 Twin-Linked Autocannons<br /> -Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> Dreadnought<br /> -2 Twin-Linked Autocannons<br /> -Psybolt Ammunition<br /> <br /> Razorbacks and Dreadnoughts shuffle around for objectives and vehicles potshots. Grandmaster and Paladins (Grandmaster makes then scoring) zoom in on stormraven and kill everything. Any fixes, thoughts, critique, etc is greatly appreciated!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Buy the end of all that cutting down needless cost, you could actually add something useful though. =)]]></description>
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