Niiai wrote:
I need to ask. Who has actually tried them?

My problem with them has always been that they are to vulnerably to blast templates and high S weapons. However, it appears to me that there are more then enough targets for S6+ weapons to shoot at except the swarms. S8 vs Zoanthropes, Raveners, Warriors and T6 MC's along with Venomthropes and the deadly Tyrant Guard.

So what I actually wanne know is if anybody has tryed the ripper swarms in a list that saturate the big guns.

barnowl wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
I need to ask. Who has actually tried them?

My problem with them has always been that they are to vulnerably to blast templates and high S weapons. However, it appears to me that there are more then enough targets for S6+ weapons to shoot at except the swarms. S8 vs Zoanthropes, Raveners, Warriors and T6 MC's along with Venomthropes and the deadly Tyrant Guard.

So what I actually wanne know is if anybody has tryed the ripper swarms in a list that saturate the big guns.

Only really find them fun in PoM lists. And you can need a bunch for PoM lists. You really really need his extra synapse range for rippers. They buggers die with out it. Losing two bases to a single S8 krack missile is a pain, but nothing like the pain of losing bases just becuase you are suddenly out side of the 12 in synapse bubble.

 schadenfreude wrote:
How are 2 bases lost to a single krak? It's ID for 1 base but krak isn't a template or pie.

The parasite is a pretty amazing unit. Rippers are only really good as a tarpit, and that they are good at.

 Gloomfang wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
How are 2 bases lost to a single krak? It's ID for 1 base but krak isn't a template or pie.

The parasite is a pretty amazing unit. Rippers are only really good as a tarpit, and that they are good at.

I was going to ask that about the missle too.

There is an odd boost to rippers that I have found in 6th, template weapons are now much less effective against them.

Before you would hit a unit of rippers with a flamer and hit 3 stands. Roll to wound and lets say all of them wound. You would then have to take 6 wounds off of the unit, so remove 2 bases (assuming no ID). With the new rules each model takes a hit, not the unit. Assuming again all of them wound you now have 3 stands with 1 wound each.

Now for WoD it gets really fun.
Roll D3 for template. Lets say 2 flamers (non-ID) being charged by 5 stands of rippers. Lets say average roll so 4 hit, and worse case all wound. So now we have 4 wounds to place. Place the first wound on the closest model. Then double it becasue it is a template wound. 1 Wound left so you allocate the next wound to the same model and then double it, so that second wound just disapers as the wound that was doubled was already allocated. So those 4 flamer wounds will kill off 2 stands of rippers, not the 2.6 stands that people think that it will casue.

Its fun to play with a unit that people never play as it helps you learn the rules and your army better.

barnowl wrote:

I typed Krak thinking about Warriors. I may need to revisit the the 6e swarm rules again. I was thinking swarms still ended up getting double IDs off template and blast hit ID wounds.