Orlanth wrote:
Or it could be like the cued rent-a-mob who turned up to beat Saddam's statue with shoes after the fall of Baghdad.

Most of what appears spontaneous is not. The attacks on the consulate which killed the US ambassador and three others appeared spontaneous yet are believed to have been pre-planned.

 Orlanth wrote:
Or it could be like the cued rent-a-mob who turned up to beat Saddam's statue with shoes after the fall of Baghdad.

Most of what appears spontaneous is not. The attacks on the consulate which killed the US ambassador and three others appeared spontaneous yet are believed to have been pre-planned.

djones520 wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Or it could be like the cued rent-a-mob who turned up to beat Saddam's statue with shoes after the fall of Baghdad.

Most of what appears spontaneous is not. The attacks on the consulate which killed the US ambassador and three others appeared spontaneous yet are believed to have been pre-planned.

I read a report that 30,000 people were involved. There had to have been preplanning on that one.

Relapse wrote:


This could be, but taken with the report that some Lybians were happy that the ambassador was still alive and tried to get him to the hospital and the pictures of people carrying signs appologizing for the attacks, it could very well be that this is more than just a staged event.
That's me hoping antway. I'd just like to see these people get some chance at a decent life without all the craziness they're having to go through.

 Orlanth wrote:

Relapse wrote:


This could be, but taken with the report that some Lybians were happy that the ambassador was still alive and tried to get him to the hospital and the pictures of people carrying signs appologizing for the attacks, it could very well be that this is more than just a staged event.
That's me hoping antway. I'd just like to see these people get some chance at a decent life without all the craziness they're having to go through.

Nearly all mobs are staged events, its rare that people just meet and just happen to notice something that pisses them off, though it can happen. The trick is to out mob the other guys, it looks to me like an active policy backed by the Libyan government and probably with direct assist from western agencies.
Radical Islam works on mob power, turning it agaisnt them is a valid counter strategy.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
I thik this is more to to with disbanding the militia groups that started during their revolution rather than a pop at Terrorism.

 Orlanth wrote:
Or it could be like the cued rent-a-mob who turned up to beat Saddam's statue with shoes after the fall of Baghdad.

 Mannahnin wrote:
You'd probably see it more often if more majority- Muslim countries had US representatives present who they really LIKE, such as the Ambassador. If their exposure to us was comprised of a higher percentage of good people, and a lower percentage of Predator strikes, they'd be less-inclined to hate us, and more inclined to support us.

Relapse wrote:
The Lybian government has given the illegal militias, like the ones that murdered our ambassador, the order to leave the country.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/23/libya-orders-disbanding-illegitimate-militias/

 Seaward wrote:

Relapse wrote:
The Lybian government has given the illegal militias, like the ones that murdered our ambassador, the order to leave the country.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/23/libya-orders-disbanding-illegitimate-militias/

Well, that should do the trick.


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 Mannahnin wrote:
You'd probably see it more often if more majority- Muslim countries had US representatives present who they really LIKE, such as the Ambassador. If their exposure to us was comprised of a higher percentage of good people, and a lower percentage of Predator strikes, they'd be less-inclined to hate us, and more inclined to support us.

Well, we perform remarkably few drone strikes in France. Or Norway. Or even Kenya.

Why? Because forming stable governments that are both capable of and interested in policing extremist criminals who want to kill us is a pretty good way to make sure we don't have to do the job ourselves.

 Mannahnin wrote:

The idea that you can easily set up a flash mob of 30,000 people seems absurd. Most flash mobs are a few dozen people or so.

The crowds whipped up to protest against the video were pushed into it by substantial numbers of imams preaching against it during services. Not by somebody with a cell phone. That Dutch birthday party thing was publicized in a Western country where a very high percentage of people have internet, facebook and twitter, and was promoted by two DJs with thousands of twitter followers. It still took a while to build momentum, and the town found out what was going on at least a week in advance. And that event still had only an estimated 3,000 attendees; a tenth of the Libyan thing.

 Mannahnin wrote:
Iran during the elections was a totally different kettle of fish. Social media sites helped people organize, but there was a massive protest movement already in place related to the political issues at stake and the elections.

That has no relation whatsoever to this flash mob stuff.

Much less your (so far unsupported) claim that one could quickly and easily assemble a flash mob of tens of thousands of people. In reality, even getting a few hundred is a challenge requiring some advance time.