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http://freshcoast40k.blogspot.com/2012/10/battle-report-new-chaos-space-marines.html?spref=fb

Sorry, I don't feel like uploading all the pictures to the forum. Enjoy!

Spoiler:
My buddy just picked up his Codex, so apologies for some errors and the hastily made list. Also, unpainted models


Here's the lists:

1850 Chaos Space Marines
HQ
Chaos Lord (Power Weapon, Plasma Pistol, Sigil of Corruption, Mark of Nurgle)
Starting Chaos Boon roll: +1 Wound

EL
x6 Chosen (Double Lightning Claws, PF, x2 PW, Gift of Mutation)
Starting Chaos Boon roll: +1 Strength
Rhino

Tr
x7 Plague Marines (x2 Plasma Guns, Power Fist, Gift of Mutation)
Starting Chaos Boon Roll: +1 Wound
Rhino

Tr
x10 Cultists (Heavy Stubber, Shotgun)

Tr
x10 Chaos Space Marines (x2 Melta, PF, Gift of Mutation)
Starting Chaos Boon Roll: Feel No Pain
Rhino

FA
x7 Warp Talons (Mark of Tzeentch, Veterans of the Long War, x2 Gift of Mutation)
Starting Chaos Boons: +1 Init, Deny the Witch does S6 AP2 back to caster
(Game boon from winning a challenge, Adamantium Will)

Hvy
x3 Obliterators (Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War)

Hvy
Defiler

Hvy
Forgefiend Ecto Plasma x3


1850 Tau/Blood Angels (Allies against the Chaos Tide)
HQ
Shas'el (Plasma, MP, MT, HW BS Filter, HW Drone Controller, 2x Gun Drones)

EL
x3 XV8 Crisis Battlesuit (x3 Plasma, X3 MP, X3 MT)

El
x3 XV8 Crisis Battlesuit (x3TL MP, x2Flamer, 1x BS Filter)

Tr
x6 Firewarriors
Devilfish (Disruption Pod)

Tr
x11 Firewarriors

Hvy
x2 XV88 Broadsides (x2 Drone Controllers, x2 Shield Drones, Team Leader, HW BS Filter)

Hvy
x2 XV88 Broadsides (x2 Drone Controllers, x2 Shield Drones, Team Leader, HW BS Filter)

Hvy
Hammerhead Gunship (Railgun, x2 Burst Cannons, Disruption Pod)

Blood Angel Attachment
HQ
Librarian (Force Sword, Shield of Sanguinius, Sanguine Sword)

Tr
x5 Assault Marines (Melta)
Razorback (LasTLPlasma)

Tr
x6 Assault Marines (Melta)
Razorback (LasTLPlasma)

Hvy
Stormraven Gunship (TL Multi-melta, TL Lascannon)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4842455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4842455.page GMT 1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4843062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4843062.page GMT Re:1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines GT got tabled hard, but the codex just came out and he had bad luck so with some tweaking and figuring things out hell be better next time. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4844691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4844691.page GMT 1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines
Freaking random charge distances.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4845053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4845053.page GMT 1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4851939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4851939.page GMT Re:1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4867293.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4867293.page GMT Re:1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4870792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4870792.page GMT 1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines imo)

Defilers are expensive trash now- 200 pts for 1 str8 shot

Chosen kitted for melee is CRAZY overpriced (if they were scoring or still had infiltrate i could BEGIN to consider them as a possibility but even then...) i dont know how any 1 thinks there gonna get into a combat without getting blasted apart (unless you set up a counter charge by sacrificing another unit + transport). Even ranged chosen are not nearly as efficient as a havock squad kitted with plasma/melta.

Im not sold on the forgefiends- and i think the hades auto is the way to go if you do run it.

I think the codex requires us to use something unreliable to be effective SUCH AS:

The new chaos spawn is pretty badass now and might be a cheap fast threat to distract opponents. Also the heldrakes baleflamer is pretty sick and hard to stop. I think the chaos boons are really cool. I like havocks kitted plas melt in a rhino. annnnnnnd? cultists? 300+ point deamon princes without EW ? epidermis? i dono... siiiigh

Ive just looked through the last 20 battle reports posted here at the ones with 6e csm and theyve all been tabled- except the khorne vs nurgle game (the khorne got tabled) Lol. Its VERY early on in the csm game so its dumb to be saying the above but i got a feeling that this edition chaos is gonna have to hide behind the los and wait for opponents to make mistakes.


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Or like Rakeeb says... Maybe i just wont be able to A-move anymore... Some Tau are gonna get to laugh at me after my behavior from last edition... Karma]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4874991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4874991.page GMT Re:1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines DE losing all over the place, Blood Angels were getting smashed and Tyranids required such a mental rework that many people just labeled them as bad and gave up (hint they are not bad). Grey Knights seemed to be okay - but they were a bit more forgiving.

The same for Chaos. A CSM base cost is the same as a Sister of Battle but starts in squad size 5, has a SM statline and the flexibility to become scary as hell. Havocs are reasonably priced - very very reasonably priced with autocannons, Berserkers are cheaper, plagues are the same but with poisoned attacks and the Lords/Sorcerers are strictly better imo.

I think this codex is very well done - it has a lot of depth to it, it is a complex book - it is exactly what casual players who want to play neat cool armies want and what tournament players want to analyze dissect and evaluate. (also with all the upgrades it gives you a chance to be bad - meaning do not kit your chosen for melee). It will be an awful long time (if ever) before we agree on what the 'best build' is from this book.

Also, I am not sure what you wanted in transports - Rhino and LR are typical SM fare. Maybe Razorbacks I guess but if you want to play Razor Spam, you are still in 5th edition. Others may disagree, but my impression is that firepower needs to be tied up into squads now - not in vehicles that are silly easy to destroy in assault or via hull point attrition.

Huron and Ahriman also get you that infiltrating guaranteed while the others have a chance to do so. Defilers are expensive but I think you are forgetting a large number of their weapons - autocannon, DCCW - its 5++, It Will Not Die and 4 HP.

The only really bad unit I see is Mutilators. Maybe I am missing another one - but there is a ton of parity in this book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4875778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4875778.page GMT Re:1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines
 calypso2ts wrote:

Also, I am not sure what you wanted in transports - Rhino and LR are typical SM fare. Maybe Razorbacks I guess but if you want to play Razor Spam, you are still in 5th edition. Others may disagree, but my impression is that firepower needs to be tied up into squads now - not in vehicles that are silly easy to destroy in assault or via hull point attrition.


I read this thing a while ago and i cant quote it or even remember where it was from but the game designers working on the chaos codex made a comment about making csm a list/army that was unlike codex space marines- aka not just spikey looking c:sm. So yeh what did i expect? probably better asking what did i hope for- Some kind of cool deployment system like icons and deepstrike from last edition or even something different like army wide infiltrators with some weird funky rules. I hoped for NOT "typical SM fare" seriously like take the rhino out and make it a weird open topped av11 one or something DIFFERENT (definitely not razorbacks)! Ok those are horrible examples and im no game designer...

I really dont like being forced to take a named special character to get infiltrate... There super cool i love Kharn but i think the chaos dex should of been about enabling super flexible armies (like the troops choices do) and these special char warlord traits... seems to be goin in the other direction...

Im not saying anythings bad or even broken- mutilators, defilers, ahriman, huron all have their place and it looks a well balanced and fun and competitive codex by all accounts. Havocs look great, predators are comparatively cheap: but thats just devastators and ... predators from c:sm... Does that start to make my point? maybe im not being very clear (soz for that) Chaos Boons and champ of chaps, chaos artifacts, defilers, forgefiends: these are new cool thangs that make the chaos codex different from the c:sm. Not the dark apostle/chaplain and techmarine/warpsmith stand ins: make the warpsmith create some cool warp that is a 12" deployment bubble anywhere on the map? or... whatever it is that the designers come up with!?

But the killer for me personally is the transports- its such a key/fundamental part of an army: if they had a funky deployment it would feel like the completely different army, in rhinos its the same army with a few quirky tricks. For me maneuverability is what 40ks all about so ill be hosting less meq rhino units and running more heldrakes, bloodthirster allies, deamon princes, cultist blobs and weird juggernaut or disc lords.

Im not disagreeing with you. When i was listing the cool chaos stuff i was like 'yeh they have delivered some cool jazz'. Its just a feeling ive got; i wanted a tiny bit more guess thats everyone when theyve been waiting so long for a dex to come out ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4878517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4878517.page GMT 1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines CSM a bit more now - I agree that there is still an awful lot of design room left in CSM (maybe too much) to really differentiate them from the SM brothers.

I think they do have a lot of unique interesting rules - but transports working differently, cool warp based deployments, summoning rituals would definitely be awesome additions. Luckily it looks liek WD is going to continue to supply rules updates to keep books alive and we may be able to look forward to some of these.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4879918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4879918.page GMT Re:1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines 40k too. So, I don't think Chaos has a problem as an Army choice, it's that people are going to have to adjust what they play.

And yes, I agree whole heartedly that we're a footslogging army now. Shield with spawn or bikes, which are both cheap as all get out and good too.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4879950.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4879950.page GMT 1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines BA aren't battle brothers with TAU, the TAU units don't benifit from the 5+ cover save provided by pysker powers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4913916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4913916.page GMT Re:1850- Tau/Blood Angels vs New Chaos Marines
Nice battle report. One comment, since BA aren't battle brothers with TAU, the TAU units don't benifit from the 5+ cover save provided by pysker powers.


Actually, Allies of Conveniece can be affected by non-targed Psychic Powers like Shield of Sanguinius. Check the rulebook, pg. 112.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4919495.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480622/4919495.page GMT