<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
I thought it would be good to do a large group campaign because of the size of the whole empire. It's 34 worlds and many territories per world. Each world has connections to other worlds, requiring conquest of each capital territory to pass through the world on the way to other worlds. Launching an attack against another territory requires an unbroken supply line back to Shadow 9 or one to the original invasion territories. Separated worlds or territories forfeit their campaign or world bonuses. Some worlds will give campaign bonuses and some territories will give world bonuses. Campaign bonuses are obtained through the capital territory. Capital worlds will be specifically set up, and probably reserved to be defended by Dark Emperor himself, and will have defensive structures on the battlefield, similar to the strongholds in Dawn of War.

Eligible armies for each faction:

Sturmkrieg and Volianvan sectors

Imperial Guard
Space Marines (generic and black templars)

Imperium

All Imperium armies

Stardust Empire

Space Marines (generic)
Imperial Guard
Eldar
Tau
Tyranids
Orks
Chaos Space Marines

The rest of the Imperium will enter the campaign after it gets underway from the western front. Victory is achived when the capital world on Shadow 9 is taken. Defeat will probably occur if the Imperium loses a combined campaign total of a few hundred thousand points.

Background on the Stardust Empire and The War of the Emperors

http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Stardust_Empire
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Attack_on_the_Stardust_Empire
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Timeline_of_the_War_of_the_Emperors
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Dark_Emperor_Omega

Players

thenoobbomb
Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Dark Emperor]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4844200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4844200.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
Dun dun DUNNNNN!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4844277.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4844277.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
 snooggums wrote:
Only if my faction's leader is the Emperor's sister...

Dun dun DUNNNNN!!


The purpose of this is to purge the silliness, not create more. I think this is better than a straight up delete everything approach.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4844384.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4844384.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4845497.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4845497.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
 BluntmanDC wrote:
The straight up delete every post and never talk about it again, is a rather good idea, a campaign only gives this poor idea an attempt at validility, which it should never have.


I would prefer to not do that though, at least not without giving a good chance to reform everything. We discussed it, and we're in the process of doing that. I like to give some chance to change things. He has been somewhat receptive and is changing his stuff, but not totally. We'll see where he's at soon. He seems to have done away with the human-dragon-wolf-ethereal-farseer-chaptermaster thing for the Dark Emperor. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4845651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4845651.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4847997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4847997.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4848039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4848039.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
 BluntmanDC wrote:
The straight up delete every post and never talk about it again, is a rather good idea, a campaign only gives this poor idea an attempt at validility, which it should never have.
Exactly this. You legitimize it by acting around it. By creating a campaign to "destroy" it you are accepting it.


Instead, do not accept it. Realize that it is not canon, it cannot fit in the canon, and it should be ignored.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4848058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4848058.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire? 40k is primarily a game though, so we could only take the fluff for the campaign and not allow it anywhere else, just to play the game.

I'm thinking about possibly creating a second wiki for the Stardust Empire that he can do whatever he wants with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4850070.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4850070.page GMT Re:Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire? SDE anyday.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4850081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4850081.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4850457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4850457.page GMT Re:Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4850498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4850498.page GMT Re:Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
matapata98 wrote:
Srry, maybe a nooby question, but how does this actually work?


The campaign? I'll update the map online whenever there's a battle that gets reported, and anyone can attack adjacent territories. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4851301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4851301.page GMT Re:Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
My question is this: what good do you think this will do?

Ehrenstein, you seem like a cool dude who writes good stuff. You're trying to do something neat with Sturmkrieg, and I respect that. Honestly, I might join Sturmkrieg myself, just so I can get some recent ideas out of my head and into some place that I can edit them and get others' thoughts on them. But right now, you need to decide what it is you actually want to do with that site.

I get it. Dark Emperor is your friend. You like him, and you respect that he just wants to write something that he enjoys, conflicts with established canon be damned. But his Stardust Empire idea simply does not fit with established 40k canon. End of. It cannot be saved. The only thing that might save it is forcing a complete and total rewrite, with a great deal of it stripped away and altered. And, if you do that, it's not really "saving" it so much as completely altering it and slapping the same name on.

So where does that leave your friend? Well, he's got this 40k fanfic that doesn't fit in the canon at all, and he wants to post it online. That's his prerogative, but it's also the online community's collective prerogative to continually deride the Stardust Empire for the unadulterated failure that it is (and it is unadulterated failure; there is no denying that, no matter how fond of your friend you might be). As a corollary to that, it is their prerogative to dismiss any site or group that takes action to validate the Stardust Empire fiction as... well, as not having particularly high standards, and being complicit in the idiocy.

What it comes down to is this: you can keep Dark Emperor's fanfic on Sturmkrieg, and seal the site's reputation as a place where the lowest of the low can post their absolute worst writings and have them supported and validated, or you can draw a line, tell your friend that, despite how fond you are of him, he has to either bring his writings into line with established canon or have them removed from the site, and salvage Sturmkrieg's dignity.

Believe it or not, I see what you're trying to do with this campaign. You're trying to "play fair". You're trying to get rid of the Stardust Empire in such a way that he can't feel cheated or hurt over it. But in doing so, you're making your site look like a laughingstock. You're validating this piece of crap by asking others to help you "conquer" it. This isn't the way to go about it. Even if the Stardust Empire is eventually conquered, the articles will remain on your site. It accomplishes nothing but making Sturmkrieg look like a joke.

I would say that you need to come up with another solution, but the solution is obvious. Draw the line. Tell Dark Emperor that his story is not good enough and has too little of a connection to established canon to be published on Sturmkrieg. Scrub the pages from your site, and enforce some quality control in your works.

That, or go the way the SCP Foundation writers did in response to SCP-083.

One way or another, Stardust Empire has to go if Sturmkrieg is going to be taken at all seriously.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4852894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4852894.page GMT Re:Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
 Foolamancer wrote:
So I've just spent the last (Emperor help me) hour reading up on the Stardust Empire, its associated factions, and the previous Dakka threads regarding it.

My question is this: what good do you think this will do?

Ehrenstein, you seem like a cool dude who writes good stuff. You're trying to do something neat with Sturmkrieg, and I respect that. Honestly, I might join Sturmkrieg myself, just so I can get some recent ideas out of my head and into some place that I can edit them and get others' thoughts on them. But right now, you need to decide what it is you actually want to do with that site.

I get it. Dark Emperor is your friend. You like him, and you respect that he just wants to write something that he enjoys, conflicts with established canon be damned. But his Stardust Empire idea simply does not fit with established 40k canon. End of. It cannot be saved. The only thing that might save it is forcing a complete and total rewrite, with a great deal of it stripped away and altered. And, if you do that, it's not really "saving" it so much as completely altering it and slapping the same name on.

So where does that leave your friend? Well, he's got this 40k fanfic that doesn't fit in the canon at all, and he wants to post it online. That's his prerogative, but it's also the online community's collective prerogative to continually deride the Stardust Empire for the unadulterated failure that it is (and it is unadulterated failure; there is no denying that, no matter how fond of your friend you might be). As a corollary to that, it is their prerogative to dismiss any site or group that takes action to validate the Stardust Empire fiction as... well, as not having particularly high standards, and being complicit in the idiocy.

What it comes down to is this: you can keep Dark Emperor's fanfic on Sturmkrieg, and seal the site's reputation as a place where the lowest of the low can post their absolute worst writings and have them supported and validated, or you can draw a line, tell your friend that, despite how fond you are of him, he has to either bring his writings into line with established canon or have them removed from the site, and salvage Sturmkrieg's dignity.

Believe it or not, I see what you're trying to do with this campaign. You're trying to "play fair". You're trying to get rid of the Stardust Empire in such a way that he can't feel cheated or hurt over it. But in doing so, you're making your site look like a laughingstock. You're validating this piece of crap by asking others to help you "conquer" it. This isn't the way to go about it. Even if the Stardust Empire is eventually conquered, the articles will remain on your site. It accomplishes nothing but making Sturmkrieg look like a joke.

I would say that you need to come up with another solution, but the solution is obvious. Draw the line. Tell Dark Emperor that his story is not good enough and has too little of a connection to established canon to be published on Sturmkrieg. Scrub the pages from your site, and enforce some quality control in your works.

That, or go the way the SCP Foundation writers did in response to SCP-083.

One way or another, Stardust Empire has to go if Sturmkrieg is going to be taken at all seriously.


Agreed and Exhalted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4853256.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4853256.page GMT Re:Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
 Foolamancer wrote:
So I've just spent the last (Emperor help me) hour reading up on the Stardust Empire, its associated factions, and the previous Dakka threads regarding it.

My question is this: what good do you think this will do?

Ehrenstein, you seem like a cool dude who writes good stuff. You're trying to do something neat with Sturmkrieg, and I respect that. Honestly, I might join Sturmkrieg myself, just so I can get some recent ideas out of my head and into some place that I can edit them and get others' thoughts on them. But right now, you need to decide what it is you actually want to do with that site.

I get it. Dark Emperor is your friend. You like him, and you respect that he just wants to write something that he enjoys, conflicts with established canon be damned. But his Stardust Empire idea simply does not fit with established 40k canon. End of. It cannot be saved. The only thing that might save it is forcing a complete and total rewrite, with a great deal of it stripped away and altered. And, if you do that, it's not really "saving" it so much as completely altering it and slapping the same name on.

So where does that leave your friend? Well, he's got this 40k fanfic that doesn't fit in the canon at all, and he wants to post it online. That's his prerogative, but it's also the online community's collective prerogative to continually deride the Stardust Empire for the unadulterated failure that it is (and it is unadulterated failure; there is no denying that, no matter how fond of your friend you might be). As a corollary to that, it is their prerogative to dismiss any site or group that takes action to validate the Stardust Empire fiction as... well, as not having particularly high standards, and being complicit in the idiocy.

What it comes down to is this: you can keep Dark Emperor's fanfic on Sturmkrieg, and seal the site's reputation as a place where the lowest of the low can post their absolute worst writings and have them supported and validated, or you can draw a line, tell your friend that, despite how fond you are of him, he has to either bring his writings into line with established canon or have them removed from the site, and salvage Sturmkrieg's dignity.

Believe it or not, I see what you're trying to do with this campaign. You're trying to "play fair". You're trying to get rid of the Stardust Empire in such a way that he can't feel cheated or hurt over it. But in doing so, you're making your site look like a laughingstock. You're validating this piece of crap by asking others to help you "conquer" it. This isn't the way to go about it. Even if the Stardust Empire is eventually conquered, the articles will remain on your site. It accomplishes nothing but making Sturmkrieg look like a joke.

I would say that you need to come up with another solution, but the solution is obvious. Draw the line. Tell Dark Emperor that his story is not good enough and has too little of a connection to established canon to be published on Sturmkrieg. Scrub the pages from your site, and enforce some quality control in your works.

That, or go the way the SCP Foundation writers did in response to SCP-083.

One way or another, Stardust Empire has to go if Sturmkrieg is going to be taken at all seriously.


Thank you for your response. Your advice is the same concern that I expressed at Sturmkriegeletion nomination/noticeboard. It is something that will have to go in one way or another. While I intended to create a place where people don't have to worry about getting bullied for little details, I also intend to create a place that has good fanfiction that expands the universe, and is free of the low quality fanfiction that makes people fear reading fanfiction altogether. I am clearly failing in the latter goal. I agree that we're going to have to remove it. Currently, Dark Emperor is close to the end of his term (11 more days) to reform his fluff before it begins getting deleted. If with his current modifications, that you have just seen, the fluff is no where close to reformed, I don't think that he's going to be able to modify it sufficiently. I am considering giving him his own wiki to use, that he can include the Stardust Empire in. It would be entirely his own, and it would be separate. I agree that it does make us look bad, and has to go. The other reason I wanted to do a campaign was to be able to have the satisfaction of defeating it, but yes, that does involve validating it.

I'll submit a proposal to SKNN about deleting the articles and relocating them to a new wiki. Under policy, it will need to pass a vote though. I'll explain to Lord Kesharq the seriousness, and see if I can get him vote it our favor. If we're relocating DE to a new wiki, I don't think he'll have much problem with it. If you could also put in your vote, that would be great. We don't have a lot of people to vote, and I think that Dark Emperor will be able to get Lamp Lighter to vote in his favor, seeing as he has expressed a lot of support for DE in off wiki discussions. He also has another inactive user who might vote in his favor.

I see the seriousness and why this has to go.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4853294.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4853294.page GMT Re:Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
Personally I get a kick out of those folks who are seemingly obsessed with cannon and deride anyone who writes something they dont personally like.

Perhaps come down off of that pedestal and take a look at the material you appear to comparing this fanfic to.

40k fluff? Black library books? Sorry to say but its freshman level writing at its best. Little better in most cases then a random anime fanfic.

But his Stardust Empire idea simply does not fit with established 40k canon. End of. It cannot be saved.


Is this opinion or a fact?

Assume for a moment that you are correct in asserting the SE does not fit with established cannon.

My question then is quite simple: So what?

That entire treatise Foolamancer comes off as little more then a person putting anothers material down.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4853360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4853360.page GMT Re:Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
 Lt.Soundwave wrote:
Not having read the setting, nor being particularly interested in doing so I am going to play devils advocate here.

Personally I get a kick out of those folks who are seemingly obsessed with cannon and deride anyone who writes something they dont personally like.

Perhaps come down off of that pedestal and take a look at the material you appear to comparing this fanfic to.

40k fluff? Black library books? Sorry to say but its freshman level writing at its best. Little better in most cases then a random anime fanfic.

But his Stardust Empire idea simply does not fit with established 40k canon. End of. It cannot be saved.


Is this opinion or a fact?

Assume for a moment that you are correct in asserting the SE does not fit with established cannon.

My question then is quite simple: So what?

That entire treatise Foolamancer comes off as little more then a person putting anothers material down.


I feel the same way and see where you are coming from. My rule at Sturmkrieg is not to interfere with minor aspects of canon consistency since it's stupid, stifling, and the canon has plenty of inconsistencies with itself. As long as someone doesn't do something like making every single person on a world a space marine, I don't care.

If you read the Stardust Empire fluff, or at least the older version, you'll see what we think is so ridiculous. Dark Emperor has explained that the Dark Emperor Omega is supposed to be an insert of himself, who suddenly grabbed a wife.

This Dark Emperor Omega is part human, dragon, and wolf. His rank is as follows: chapter master, autarch, ethereal, warboss, hive tyrant, and chaos lord.

He is a brother of the Emperor.

The Stardust Empire is literally every race in 40k except Dark Eldar and Necrons all living together in peace.

This empire is an ally of the Imperium.

http://en.sturmkrieg.com/index.php?title=Dark_Emperor_Omega&oldid=4963]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4853944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4853944.page GMT Re:Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
 Lt.Soundwave wrote:
But his Stardust Empire idea simply does not fit with established 40k canon. End of. It cannot be saved.


Is this opinion or a fact?


Fact. Try reading the material before posing such questions; it will save you a lot of time.

 Lt.Soundwave wrote:
Assume for a moment that you are correct in asserting the SE does not fit with established cannon.

My question then is quite simple: So what?


So Sturmkrieg is a site that, presumably, wants to host quality 40k fan fiction. And this is not quality.

 Lt.Soundwave wrote:
That entire treatise Foolamancer comes off as little more then a person putting anothers material down.


To be perfectly blunt, it is. Combined with giving advice to the site administrator to get rid of it, but yes. It is very much me putting Stardust Empire down.

So my question, then, is quite simple: So what?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4853978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4853978.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
So thanks for being productive and helpful!

Ehrenstien, good luck getting the fanfluff moved!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4854037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4854037.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
If you want to bash someone elses poorly written fluff make a thread to do it.

Dont derail someones attempt to start a campaign. Its entirely unproductive posts like yours that make starting these kinds of things a pain in the ass in the first place ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4854145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4854145.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire? Edited by Manchu.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4854286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4854286.page GMT Does anyone want to join a group campaign to conquer the Stardust Empire?
Also things like this should not be made open to the public without first asking TDE that he is ok with such a thing.

As was agreed before hand, he should be allowed his full 30 days before we start dragging talk of deletion or deletion campaigns against him (or one sided world wide wars...which end in deletion)

Also i would like to point out that we should be trying to encourage him and engage in helping him with improving his stuff not doing stuff like this people....he read this (which i have been informed that the guy who wrote TSE has indeed read this) and he just going to get pissed off and make less of a effort to try and improve his stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4854510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/480741/4854510.page GMT