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My typical 1999+1 list (FLGS been playing tourneys this way to help people prepping for denver/co tourney in a few weeks)

HQ

(warlord) Biker Boss, PK, CB, BP
Mega boss, CB, BP

ELITE

7 lootas
7 lootas
6 lootas

TROOPS
20 Shoota boys 1 big shoota, nob PK/BP/EA/Big shoota (On foot)
20 Shoota boys 1 big shoota, nob PK/BP/EA/Big shoota (in heavy support BW)
10 gretchin + runtherder
6 Nob bikers, 2 PK, BP, Banner, 1 BC, 1 Painboy upgrade
6 Mega Nobz 3 Kombi Skorchas, Dedicated BW with riggers, red paint, deffrolla, big shoota x 2

FAST
Dakkajet Fighta Ace, Extra Supa SHoota

Heavy
Battlewagon with riggers, red paint, deffrolla, big shoota x 2

I'm quite fond of this list and currently am painting it all up, there would be some other things I'd like such as kannons with T7 grots but.. I haven't built one yet.. and am not buying one so : / until then : /

I have been playing it to help a friend prepare for feast of blades, and played it in one tourney locally with standard missions/warlord traits etc and managed a 1st place for the waaaaaaaagh with 37 battle points compared to 30 for 2nd (orkz as well, waaaaagh) and 3rd.. Yesterday I got to play in my 2nd tournament with this list at a different FLGS and play some armies I haven't faced before (Tau, Grey Knights) and pulled a 2nd place with 139 battle points, losing to grey knights with 140, third place being my buddy's BA/IG with 115... This tournament was played using the feast of blades packet, which frankly confused me. The grey knights player, and the BA/IG player who took 1st and 3rd respectively had won the local qualifying round to go to FoB so had some familiarity with the missions while I did not. I got quite confused on my third match where there table quarters as a primary obj, and obj as a secondary (being worth 10 vp each, or if you are contesting one, 5 vp)... and lost the tourney by not moving my grots into the proper quadrant to control 3/4 and get +10 VP hahaha.... Dummmmmmmb He had a single marine in a quadrant which I didn't realize counted as full squad point value being troops. so something like 125 points vs m lootas (105 points)... so my 40 points of grots would of saved the day!!! >.< (and in hindsight fellows I just kicked myself in ass as I counted 1 quadrant which I lost as being 425 points.... Biker boss (140) mega boss (115), Battlewagon (130), and then I added 40 points for the lone mega nob...to reach 425... But my meganobs were troops and thus count as full value... meaning... should of been worth 255... meaning my 425 would of been 640 vs his 455 >.< .... That's what you get when you are rushing to get out of there because the tourney ran 2 hours late and your gal isn't so understanding

All in all I had a wonderful time. I managed 3 wins, (although we only got to play 3 turns of most games & 2 turns of game vs. grey knights) but I think my scores were something like... 58-12 game 1 v tau (primary mission being KP, secondary table quarters, I think.. hahahaha.. quarters were not diagonal and no obj... believe there was night fighting T1 (F U TAU.) I believe it was mission 2 from the FoB packet.

Round 2 was vs. Grey knights, mission 3 from FoB packet I think. 6 obj, where you can't score your own but can contest them. I think that one ended 36-6 for the orks as well (but we only got to play 2 turns but honestly if we got the third turn due to how the game was going I think I would of gotten 1st overall as I would of gotten a supreme victory instead of a major, and scored about 6 more KPS vs. his 4-6 he would score... (difference in major to supreme victory being like a 20 point increase or something)...

Round 3 was vs IG/BA whom I have played different incarnation of this player's army before. Very fun match. his blob squad and veterans focused on my bikes, he hid a libby in the blob for prescience... 78 TL flashlights... UGH.... I tried throwing t5 at it to make it difficult but still... >.< Had a fun lil romp with DC/meganobs... I dumped out and popped their LR.. they countercharged scoring 20 wounds which I failed 6 of and in a monumental whiff only cause 5 wounds in return instead of wiping whole squad of 8+reclusiarch in a single round with the 3 remaining MANZ/warboss, who cleaned em up proppa next round. Other highlights would include 20 boys gunning down/melee'ing 5 TH/SS termies before they got to swing, and of course the TL blob squad killing my nob bikers. (i broke warboss off to kill his stupid d3 shot S10 ap4 missile launcher)... Won combat by 5, they barely pass LD but had I thrown warboss in I feel like I would of made them break and they were only 4-5" from edge.... HIndsight!






My terrible 1500 list lost both wagons, went down to 4 MANZ (in a trukk), and lost a bike or 2.. as well as made the lootas 3 squads of 5... (from what I remember... don't play the list much ha..)


So what I'd like to do is try to find a way to scale down the list so I don't have to paint more models etc for upcoming 1500 tourney.


Any advice would greatly be appreciated...


My initial thoughts are to drop a bike, a MANZ, 5 lootas, but that leaves me quite a bit to make up still....



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Just wanted to post a quick reply about your list at 1500, which is something that I've been testing since I randomly came across your 1999+1 list a little while ago.

I usually play Battlewagon-heavy (like, 4 or 5 at 1500pts) Ork lists, but have been pleased with the returns that I have been getting from this version at 1500pts.

I'm based in the UK and likely going to be taking something similar (if not this very list!) to the GW Throne of Skulls tournament very soon.

At 1500, you lack any real redundancy and it does become even more of a 'rock' list, but here is my 1500pts version. Hope that it is useful?

HQ
Warlord:
Ork Warboss. He rides an Ork Warbike and is armed with a Power klaw, a bosspole, a cybork body, an attack squig and a combi-skorcha.
160pts

Ork Warboss. He wears mega armour and has a bosspole and a cybork body.
115pts

ELITES
5 Lootas. All are armed with a Deffgun.
75pts

5 Lootas. All are armed with a Deffgun.
75pts

TROOPS
5 Nobs. All are mounted on a Warbike, are upgraded to have a cybork body and carry stikkbombz. They are armed as follows:
One is a painboy with dok’s tools and an ‘urty syringe
One has a power klaw, a bosspole and a waaagh banner
One has a big choppa and a kombi-skorcha
Two have a big choppa.
340pts

3 Mega-armoured Nobz. All three have a Skorcha/Shoota Kombi-weapon.
They are mounted in a Battlewagon as a dedicated transport, upgraded with a Deff rolla, a boarding plank, armour plates, a red paint job and two big shootas.
275pts

20 Ork Boyz. Nineteen are armed with a shoota and one is a Nob, armed with a slugga, a power klaw, a bosspole and ‘eavy armour.
165pts

10 grots. All have a grot blasta. They are led by a single runtherd.
40pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
Battle wagon. Armed with a deff rolla, a big shoota, a boarding plank and a red paint job.
125pts

FAST ATTACK
Ork Dakkajet. Armed with three supa shootas (two plus one additional) and the fighter ace upgrade.
130pts

TOTAL: 1500pts

Things I don't like about the list - it only has 3 troops that can actually do something, the Mega Nobs are really small, and I only have 1 pk in the bikers. But, its a case of trimming to fit - I don't ever feel comfortable leaving home with just the single BW and would rather risk two.

Would be interested to see the changes you might make to it!

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I have dropped down to 2 squads of 5 lootas, dropped 2 bikes with choppas, dropped 2 manz, and dropped a 20 boyz squad.

Not having the 20 boys on foot hurts majorly, nothing to protect my backfield :/

Have to use bikes to save my backfield :/


Mobile currently will expound more soon :p


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hi again Nightrunner. Not riding in the car now so figure I can post something more in depth.


When is the tournament you plan on entering being held?


I understand what you mean that the bikes only have a single klaw, and there are only 3 manz... which lead me to make my list 4 Bikes (1 painboy, 1 pole/kllaw, 1 banner/klaw, 1 BC), and 4 MANZ.. Each unit has a bit more killiness with at least 2 PKS and your manz unit is a bit beefier. Also if you are down to a single nob biker or manz from a unit of 4, you can't get below 25% and are never required to roll heroic leadership (double s) to regroup, thus can always regroup on LD7. (that is why i go from 4 to 6 bikes myself)

I see you have planks on your wagon. I typically run mine with a deffrolla, Grot riggers, red paint, and 2 big shootas (if i had points i'd buy armor plates). I typically steer clear of boarding planks (even tho they are so cool) is the requirements of how fast the vehicle can move etc. I find them very situational : / It's almost like nearly every time you want to use them you'd be better off just hopping out of your ride and charging whatever vehicle it was. (this point being more true when the wagon is full of mega nobz vs boyz with a single PK nob)... but I can understand when it is viable, when you want to wreck that one vehicle w/o getting shot to shreds the turn after before re embarking.

I see you don't put big shootas in your boyz squad? is there a reason? I LOVE the big shootas myself. The extra range is ace!

I'm not sure where you stand on if you believe a nob (leading a boyz squad) should be able to tote around a big shoota/rokkit, but I see no qualms with it nor has any tournament I have entered. Granted not run by GW.

The major appeal is now that 36" S5 big shoota has precision shots 1/2 the time it hits from the nob shooting... Very nice for picking out melta guns/flamers/characters etc]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/481131/4885879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/481131/4885879.page GMT