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HQ-
Khorne Lord w/ Jump Pack, Axe of Blind Fury, Aura, and Gift -150
Nurgle Lord w/ Black Mace, Sigil of Corruption, Blight Grenades, Combi-Plasma, and Gift -175
Troops-
10 Plague Marines w/ 2 Plasma Guns, Powerfist, Gift, and Icon of Despair -325
10 Marines w/ 2 Plasma Guns, Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, Gift, and extra CC Weapons -228
10 Marines w/ 2 Plasma Guns, Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, Gift, and extra CC Weapons -228
10 Marines w/ Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, Gift, 2 Flamers, CC Weapons instead of Bolters, MoS, and Icon of Excess -240
Elites-
5 Terminators w/ MoK, LC's, and Icon of Vengeance -232
Fast Attack-
8 Raptors w/ Pair of LC, Gift, 2 Meltaguns, MoK, and Icon of Wrath -237
Chaos Spawn -30
Heavy Support-
2 Obliterators w/ MoN -152
Total -1997pts]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4866659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4866659.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
You are also spending a lot of points on giving all your champions Gifts... almost enough for another unit of havocs, or a third oblit. Speaking of which, the havocs can be a cheaper alternative to the chosen for your melta-squad. You lose an attack per model, but you might save enough points to give them things like a mark of nurgle to keep them alive longer.
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 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
Can chosen take 5 meltaguns? I thought they were limited to four... I'll have to double check that.

You are also spending a lot of points on giving all your champions Gifts... almost enough for another unit of havocs, or a third oblit.


if you look at what you can gain from the gifts its well worth it.

id also like to say give your CSMs marks if you roll good and turn your champion into a daemon you can even take greater daemons like a blood thirster or even characters like scarbrand.

oh btw do you know hoe to roll on the D66 table?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4866912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4866912.page GMT Re:2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4866947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4866947.page GMT Re:2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
if you look at what you can gain from the gifts its well worth it.

id also like to say give your CSMs marks if you roll good and turn your champion into a daemon you can even take greater daemons like a blood thirster or even characters like scarbrand.

oh btw do you know hoe to roll on the D66 table?


Roll 2D6 but off different color or something, before you roll establish which is the tens and which is the ones, then roll them. For example, you roll a 4 on the tens and a 3 on the ones, it's a 43. I'm not very sure how the whole daemon prince thing works, there's some debate on it.

@BudForTheBeerGod
My problem right now is I lack the models for havocs yet, though I'm bidding on missile launchers on ebay. At the moment I have absolutely no anti-air


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Do you think I will have trouble with the lack of transports?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4867673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4867673.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective? csm can do this (well there are cultists...) and will have to rely on terrain and los (which is so situational).

Mobility is an issue for you and its especially bad for your chosen with their meltas. I dont see these chosen making their points back 95% of the time. Now that chosen dont infiltrate i see no advantage to them over havocks +1 attack for 5 points? Your champ has a powerfist id change that to a powersword- the fist is gonna get challenged out by swords and die before he gets a chance to swing everytime in 6e. Also you dont need the fist for dreadnaughts/ mech if your running 4 meltas. Id take the extra 10 points from the fist and turn 2 of the meltas into plasmas. Also id use the sick new chosen models and call them havocks

Good luck

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4867751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4867751.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective? CC plus he's got a Heavy Flamer and generates a random psychic each turn.

Currently the only range I have is 2 Land Raiders and 4 Heavy Bolters. I'm working on getting Missile Launchers and eventually I will get more Obliterators.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4868408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4868408.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
5 Terminators w/ MoK, LC's, and Icon of Vengeance -232
Chaos Spawn -30]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871201.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871201.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
chaos wulfen wrote:
 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
Can chosen take 5 meltaguns? I thought they were limited to four... I'll have to double check that.

You are also spending a lot of points on giving all your champions Gifts... almost enough for another unit of havocs, or a third oblit.


if you look at what you can gain from the gifts its well worth it.

id also like to say give your CSMs marks if you roll good and turn your champion into a daemon you can even take greater daemons like a blood thirster or even characters like scarbrand.

oh btw do you know hoe to roll on the D66 table?
No where on the boon table does it say you can become a greater demon, you become a demon prince of your chosen deity, and you for sure dont become characters]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871250.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
Ithani wrote:
If im running a footslogger list i like having something to force the opponent to come to me- aka a defiler or havocs. If not your opponent can sit at 36" and hit you with their range, they control the engagements and bully you around the e board. Usual hordie armies overcome this with.. hordes of wounds but i dont feel csm can do this (well there are cultists...) and will have to rely on terrain and los (which is so situational).

Mobility is an issue for you and its especially bad for your chosen with their meltas. I dont see these chosen making their points back 95% of the time. Now that chosen dont infiltrate i see no advantage to them over havocks +1 attack for 5 points? Your champ has a powerfist id change that to a powersword- the fist is gonna get challenged out by swords and die before he gets a chance to swing everytime in 6e. Also you dont need the fist for dreadnaughts/ mech if your running 4 meltas. Id take the extra 10 points from the fist and turn 2 of the meltas into plasmas. Also id use the sick new chosen models and call them havocks

Good luck



Are you forgetting that we have 20 man squad sizes? Sure you might spend 1000+ pts on troops, but that is our strength. Hordes of high strength and high attack marines, or high toughness feel no pain marines. Makes no difference, we have the best close combat, best tar pit, and very effective shooty units in the game, and can take them in higher numbers then most can deal with. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871288.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871288.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective? Termies will want Reaper AC and/or combi-weapons when they deep strike, so they dont stand idly by and look silly for a turn.
Plasma Pistols.... losing a 50+ point champion to an overheat sounds terrible.
Raptors seem okay, dual LCs is way over price though.
One Spawn wouldnt really do anything other than dying to overwatch. The points can be better used somewhere else.
Chosens would actually be pretty good with Huron.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871479.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871479.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
2x 5 man squads of havocs w/ 4 missile launchers w/ flakk missiles, icon of vengeance,


How on earth is this squad anti-air? Please explain?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871730.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
 FlingitNow wrote:
2x 5 man squads of havocs w/ 4 missile launchers w/ flakk missiles, icon of vengeance,


How on earth is this squad anti-air? Please explain?


Flakk missiles allow you to fire at fliers using your ballistic skill at strength 7.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4871996.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
 Punisher Gatling Cannon wrote:
 FlingitNow wrote:
2x 5 man squads of havocs w/ 4 missile launchers w/ flakk missiles, icon of vengeance,


How on earth is this squad anti-air? Please explain?


Flakk missiles allow you to fire at fliers using your ballistic skill at strength 7.


i know the rules on flakk missiles. I was asking how 5 guys with 4 flakk missiles was anti-air. Do you know how flyers work? They start in reserve come on and shoot first. That the that a havoc unit of just 5 guys loses all or at least most of the mls before they ever fire...

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 FlingitNow wrote:
 Punisher Gatling Cannon wrote:
 FlingitNow wrote:
2x 5 man squads of havocs w/ 4 missile launchers w/ flakk missiles, icon of vengeance,


How on earth is this squad anti-air? Please explain?


Flakk missiles allow you to fire at fliers using your ballistic skill at strength 7.


i know the rules on flakk missiles. I was asking how 5 guys with 4 flakk missiles was anti-air. Do you know how flyers work? They start in reserve come on and shoot first. That the that a havoc unit of just 5 guys loses all or at least most of the mls before they ever fire...



Yes I know how flyers work, they come in on turn 2 (or 3 if your dice are terrible) get a shot in, then get killed by my remaining havocs (2 squads) who are deployed in terrain (cover saves). Do you know how deployment works? How about terrain? I am suspect of anyone who thinks it is ok to put a long range heavy support choice out in the open or assumes that a flyer is going to kill 5 fearless marines in cover. Not a likely scenario. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4873825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4873825.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective? CC? Either way I'm probably gona give them MoS and Icon of Excess (especially if I go for CC). The obvious lack of anti-air is something I can't deal with until i get more models. As for the Plasma Pistols on the Champs, I'm gona keep them because I feel they are worth the risk for the extra Plasma shots. I really want to overload my opponent with lots of Plasma and might even change the Slaanesh Marines to a more shooty role with Plasma Guns. On squad size, would it be better since I'm footslogging to have fewer large (lets say 20 men) squads or more small (10 men) squads? going with the small squads would be slightly more expensive but I can field more special weapons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4873845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4873845.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
TasadarTheMadBear wrote:
On squad size, would it be better since I'm footslogging to have fewer large (lets say 20 men) squads or more small (10 men) squads? going with the small squads would be slightly more expensive but I can field more special weapons.


3 or 4 squads of 10 is a better idea imho. Or perhaps a few more ~ 12 or 13 man squads.
In addition, a nice big bunch of cultists (2 squads of at least 15) will buff your force with a tarpit/screening unit. If you're gonna go for an army based on infantry, mass is important so I'd try go for 6 troops choices minimum at 2K points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4874064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4874064.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4874181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4874181.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
decoste007xt wrote:
Looks good, but you cant take a Black Mace and the Axe of Blindfury... only 1 Artifact per armylist I'm afraid.


Codex says: "Only one of each Chaos Artefact may be taken per army"

For some reason Cultist just slipped my mind, I'm reworking the list now. I'm adding in one Havoc Squad with 4 Missile Launchers and Flakk Missiles manning a Aegis Defence Line with a Quad Gun, hopefully this will solve my anti-air problem. Are six troops really necessary? The list I'm working on now will have 2 CSM Squads and a Cultist Squad as the only troops. I'll fine tune it and post it here.

Btw, all this feedback is much appreciated.


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New List:

HQ-
Khorne Lord w/ Jump Pack, Axe of Blind Fury, Aura, and Gift -150
Huron Blackheart -160
Troops-
10 Marines w/ 2 Plasma Guns, Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, Gift, and MoN -248
10 Marines w/ 2 Plasma Guns, Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, Gift, and MoN -248
28 Cultist w/ Shotgun -124
Elites-
6 Chosen w/ 3 Meltaguns, Pair of LC, 2 Power Weapons, Gift, MoS, and Icon of Excess -257
Fast Attack-
8 Raptors w/ Pair of LC, Gift, 2 Meltaguns, MoK, and Icon of Wrath -237
Heavy Support-
3 Obliterators w/ MoN -228
7 Havocs w/ 4 Missile Launchers, 4 Flakk Missiles, MoN, and Icon of Vengeance -247
Fortification-
Aegis Defence Line w/ Quad Gun -100
Total -1999pts]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4874832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4874832.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective?
 BudForTheBeerGod wrote:


Yes I know how flyers work, they come in on turn 2 (or 3 if your dice are terrible) get a shot in, then get killed by my remaining havocs (2 squads) who are deployed in terrain (cover saves). Do you know how deployment works? How about terrain? I am suspect of anyone who thinks it is ok to put a long range heavy support choice out in the open or assumes that a flyer is going to kill 5 fearless marines in cover. Not a likely scenario.


how does cover make a difference when you already get a 3+ save? i'm talking about necrons who at this point level have at least 6 flyers quite probably more. 4 turn up turn 2 and have to kill 8 marines to gain almost total impunity. Fearless doesn't make much difference.

Killing 5 marines in cover really isn't that hard. For the 200 points the unit costs why not just get the extra bodies to make it useful?

Even against say another csm army helldrakes with the flamer kill your havocs. Yes if you are against an army with 1 flyer the havocs are ok. But against an army with just 1 flyer you should win because his army is not competitive anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4874997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4874997.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4875003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4875003.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective? MoS and icon of excess for fnp but that gets expensive. In general nurgle is wasted as flyers are packing S7+ weaponry.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4875039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4875039.page GMT 2k Infantry CSM, can it be effective? MoN better. I did a little more tweaking to the list, dropped the Icons from the Marines and a Chosen so that I could add 2 more Havocs and 9 more Marines.I don't think I need those squads to be Fearless and I can use the extra bodies both the Havoc and the Cultist squads. Should I go the full 10 for the Havocs? That would cost me 12 Cultist and I just don't see that being worth it. I also dropped the MoN from the Cultist, deciding to go with quantity over quality. Is either the Heavy Stubber or Flamer worth losing a Cultist?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4875108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482233/4875108.page GMT