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Rule Name: Commanding rhetoric. The Dark apostles have been known to turn even the most loyal of the imperiums servants to the side of chaos

during the movement phase the DA may select one Enemy unit within 24in then he rolls a dice and adds his leadership the enemy does the same if the DA's number is higher Roll a D6 and consult the chart below

D6 Result. Effect
1-2. the unit ignores the DA's rhetoric and continues as normal
3-5. the unit is mesmerized by the Apostles rhetoric they may not move shoot or assault but will fight as normal if assaulted
6. the Apostles rhetoric gets through the unit fights amongst itself as part of the unit attempts to defect the unit takes 2D6 str 4 Ap-hits.

so what do you guys think ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482562/4871496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482562/4871496.page GMT ps away .... those dark apostles of yours have pretty big megaphones to be heard from so far away on a battlefield

seems quite powerful ... not against some armies, but against xenos / IG ? (use that on meganobz with their Ld 7 ...)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482562/4871540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482562/4871540.page GMT wallop and suits the description in the dex ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482562/4871552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482562/4871552.page GMT imho would not have any affect on xenos. They are speaking in some human language and their knowledge / mannerisms would only translate to the same speciese. They are space marines.

Thus I suggest

At the start of any chaos turn a DA can begin to chant. All units within 6" must take a LD check at -1 for each check they have had to take including this one. If they fail, they lose ATSKNF until the beginning of the next chaos turn.

Obviously units without ATSKNF need not test, as they cannot lose somethign they do not have.
The first test they have to take is Ld-1, the next Ld-2 and the next Ld-3. The longer they listen the more likely they are to lose faith in the emperor.

Add in a 20 point upgrade for a massive megaphone that increases the range to 12" and add a static -1 to the test. so first test -2 second test -3 third test -4 if within 6"

Thus if you invest 300 points in 2 dark apostles you could reliably strip ATSKNF from nilla marines. It would be expensive though, and DA are not the most survivable units in the game. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482562/4884898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/482562/4884898.page GMT